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BaldieJr
05-12-2004, 10:17 AM
X52 from saitek. I want it.

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/x52.jpg

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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BaldieJr
05-12-2004, 10:17 AM
X52 from saitek. I want it.

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/x52.jpg

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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Chuck_Older
05-12-2004, 10:23 AM
Looks like an X45 with a built in tape recorder and calculator http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BaldieJr
05-12-2004, 10:24 AM
I prefer to call them "deflection /bomb-drop calculator" and "gun-cam".

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre>

SeaFireLIV
05-12-2004, 10:24 AM
It looks expensive. VERY expensive.

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crazyivan1970
05-12-2004, 10:28 AM
kewl... it does look expencive...at least 100 bucks

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p1ngu666
05-12-2004, 10:32 AM
looks like its for right handers only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
and i hope it dont feel cheap like some of there recent stuff

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Tully__
05-12-2004, 10:33 AM
Given Saitek's propensity for messed up drivers in early release, I think I'll wait 12 months. Still looking forward to it though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SKULLS Virga
05-12-2004, 10:36 AM
Twist rudder! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Cossack_UA
05-12-2004, 10:37 AM
it's got a rudder twist http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Chuck_Older
05-12-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
looks like its for right handers only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


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Yes, it does. But could you have gotten a P-51 set up with the throttle quadrant on the right? They just made lefties fly with their right hand on the stick and the left on the throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I am a righty but I learned to drive on a manual transmission car. I cannot drive with my right hand comfortably. It's either my left hand, or both hands. Right hand only feels too weird to me.

If they made you do it with your off hand, you'd just learn http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But it would be nice to see the option to convert it to left handed folk's tastes. But we righties seem to rule the world http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Chuck_Older
05-12-2004, 10:39 AM
Have you guys read that it has twist rudder, or do you see something I don't?

My x45 has those lines on the base under the stick, too, and it's definitely not twist stick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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SKULLS Virga
05-12-2004, 10:41 AM
Read the twist rudder in the specs.

I bet it will be $150 - $200. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

lil_labbit
05-12-2004, 10:41 AM
http://members.home.nl/lil.labbit/smiley/eek2.gif http://members.home.nl/lil.labbit/smiley/censored_2.gif man!
I gotta have one....
they say : "Includes voice recognition software - the ideal accompaniment for on-line multiplayer gaming" hehe

Look at me! handsfree flying LOL - does it do a "kill the bandit?" heheh finaly I will become an Ace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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tigerroach
05-12-2004, 10:43 AM
Looks like just the thing for the Star Wars games - I can already see where I'm going to map my shields and hyperdrive ignition.

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Xnomad
05-12-2004, 10:50 AM
No force feedback so not a big step up from the X-45.

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gombal40
05-12-2004, 10:53 AM
There are some troubles ....
i heard patch in 2 weeks. ....
dejavu or what???

aerick2
05-12-2004, 10:53 AM
*drool*

KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-12-2004, 10:54 AM
howly cow http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
wicked $h!t me wants me wants me wants
how much is it ? ooh i dont care gonna buy this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
when well it be available in europe?

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Snuffy_Hadden
05-12-2004, 10:54 AM
There's no place to control 4 throttles for my bomber! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

lil_labbit
05-12-2004, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
No force feedback so not a big step up from the X-45.

http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Did you read it? Not a big step up?

1) twist handle
2) even more sliders (hehe I bet RBJ will get one - its got a REAL slider)
3) throttle indents
4) LCD display
5) adjustable stick
6) ON THE FLY profile switching http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
7) it looks awsome...

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-12-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
looks like its for right handers only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
and i hope it dont feel cheap like some of there recent stuff
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto...on both counts.If I flew righty, I'd simply have kept my CH Fighterstick. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Also, I wonder when they plan on rolling it out. This could be just a pickled herring that won't be released until mid 2005. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif



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PF_Coastie
05-12-2004, 11:02 AM
Looks real nice. Voice recognition too.


Not bad! I like twisties! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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TheGozr
05-12-2004, 11:03 AM
It got the evo twist easy to see

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TugZooey
05-12-2004, 11:08 AM
damn, I just got used to the rocker on the x-45.

WOLFMondo
05-12-2004, 11:12 AM
I want one! And I doubt i'll ever use half the features but it looks so good!

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Korolov
05-12-2004, 11:14 AM
About time they got a twisting stick on their X-## line.

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HH Quazi
05-12-2004, 11:59 AM
The X-45 looks just as good imo. Actually looks like cheap platic to me, with a few more buttons. But seriously, how many bells and whistles do you need to fly FB. I'll stick with my X-45. S!

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Maj_Death
05-12-2004, 12:18 PM
My X-45 is approaching 2 years of use and it is starting to wear out. I will likely have to replace it in the next 6 months so I will give the new X-52 a look. Most of those bells and whistles don't interest me much. Come on, WTF am I supposed to do with voice recognition software? Still, it looks like it is a little bit sturdier and does claim to be. It also has nicer grips so I'll give it a serious look when the time comes. Price will likely be the determining factor for me. I have been happy with my X-45 and its price tag of $80 US. If the X-52 is under $120 US I'll consider, otherwise I'll just buy another X-45.

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Heavy_Weather
05-12-2004, 12:20 PM
sweet

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steve_v
05-12-2004, 12:58 PM
Oh I like the looks of that.

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Locust_
05-12-2004, 01:01 PM
looks like a space age pieca ****

I had saitek in the past they wee good theyve been going down hill....

Maybe looks will be deciving & this Battlestar gallatica throttle & stick will actualy be good
Crosses fingers for you guys !!!

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T_O_A_D
05-12-2004, 01:07 PM
Well is looks cool and has hand adjustments to fit all sizes mentions metal parts a few times. But I want the rudder rocker. I have it banded for left and right engine controls. The twist will be a feture turned off for me with pedals. It should of came with both features. Better centering would be a plus.

My X-45 is 2 years + old and still rock solid so till it breaks I doubt I upgrade to it.

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-12-2004, 01:17 PM
Neat looking toy that might be good for space and other fantasy games - if it were big enough for me to get my hand into and if it didn't have one of those god forsaken twisty sticks.

But, it's no simulation rig.

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Xnomad
05-12-2004, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lil_labbit:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
No force feedback so not a big step up from the X-45.

http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Did you read it? Not a big step up?

1) twist handle
2) even more sliders (hehe I bet RBJ will get one - its got a REAL slider)
3) throttle indents
4) LCD display
5) adjustable stick
6) ON THE FLY profile switching http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
7) it looks awsome...

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Night is better than Day<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly that, what do I want with an LCD display? The detents were on the old one too? I have a MS FFB 2 and a CH Pro throttle IMHO that's the same if not more than that HOTAS can do. Don't be fooled by it's shiny exterior can it really do that much more than an X-45? I think the best upgrade would have been forcefeedback if you have flown for some time using it you can't go back you get so much info about the plane's current speed with it.

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BM357_TinMan
05-12-2004, 01:36 PM
Should have been Force Feed Back

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GAU-8
05-12-2004, 01:42 PM
AND PEOPLE SAID THE OLD 45 WAS FUTURISIC...heh

does look interesting. shame they got rid of the rocker/butterfly control intact for something at least. the one in my car is a bit dated looking now. cant wait to replace it with this one!

John_Stag
05-12-2004, 01:47 PM
Twist rudder. :/

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BM357_TinMan
05-12-2004, 01:49 PM
looks like a lot of flash and NO force feedback to me....

Good drivers, no twist rudder, and Force feedback, and I'll buy it...

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lbhskier37
05-12-2004, 02:10 PM
maybe it will come with support for hyperthreading right out of the box. my X45 still cant work with hyperthreading turned onhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif been promised new drivers way longer than we have been promised a patch.

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05-12-2004, 02:30 PM
Forgive me,

What is hyperthreading exactly, and how does one "turn it on"

I have a p4 with "hyperthreading" and didn't know that there was anything to "turn on" or that it would affect any drivers

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ajafoofoo
05-12-2004, 02:39 PM
It's better if it has twist. The rocker on the x45 I cant stand.

It's what made me start using rudder pedals.

LeadSpitter_
05-12-2004, 02:41 PM
how the hell could they not put a twist rudder with a adjustment to always keep it tight. what a waste I bet that things more then 200 bucks and I wouldnt buy it. After all the negative feedback about the rudder in thier forums you would think they would have added one to this thing.

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-12-2004, 02:53 PM
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05-12-2004, 03:02 PM
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T_O_A_D
05-12-2004, 03:11 PM
lbhskier37
Mine works fine with my 2.4 800 HT CPU set on Hyperthreading. I did have trouble with the 3.+ TIR drivers though so I went back to the 2.11 for it.

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Cdn.401GATOR
05-12-2004, 03:15 PM
Sorry fellas don't get your hopes up..

A few gimmicks don't fool me..

I still see it has the freakin coil for the return to center tensioning? How advanced is that a freaking coil spring for return to center? Does that appear high tech?

NO!

It's easy to make fancy buttons and lights and little LCD displays because that is easily available to engineers working in the embedded engineering domain of which I pretend to be one..

The hard part is making an advanced joystick mechanism, with lets say adjustable return to center controls that are changeable from the software.. Maybe Force Feedback.. and something better than just old fashioned potentiometers as the means of positioning.. I don't see anything of that here..

What I see is the same crappy X45 design reintroduced with more bells and whistles to ensnare the fools who will fall for it..

That's my take.. Sorry for the Simon Cowell treatment bit its from my heart..

I already bought an X45 and had to return it within the week...

Burn me once, shame on you..
Burn me twice, shame on me..

Bearcat99
05-12-2004, 03:33 PM
It looks nice. Considering I have an X45 that works and a spare MSFFB2 in the closet and CH pedals..... I can wait.

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TooCooL34
05-12-2004, 03:40 PM
Hmm, Not for me. I don't play Starwars game.
Did Lucas Arts published new X-wing simulation? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

I hope some stick maker give us WW2-look joystick. Tired of F-16 style sticks even thou I don't fly jet sim.
Modern jet stick design is ok..I can live with it, but Sci-fi look of the X-45 series or TM afterburner is just childish for my taste.

And twist rudder??! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

T_O_A_D
05-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Yep sort of reminds me of an old Hobo, all cleaned up for Church http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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PraetorHonoris
05-12-2004, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TooCooL34:
I hope some stick maker give us WW2-look joystick. Tired of F-16 style sticks even thou I don't fly jet sim.
Modern jet stick design is ok..I can live with it, but Sci-fi look of the X-45 series or TM afterburner is just childish for my taste.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I have got the same hope.

A Me109-Stick *dream* (for our US boys of course the Pony-stick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ), that would be great.

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-12-2004, 04:08 PM
The purpose of a HOTAS is to provide extreme functionality. WWII control systems were lots of buttons switches and levers. A Mustang or 109 stick would have less functionality than an old Thrustmaster Mk.1.

The electric jet (AKA - F-16) has one of the most advanced HOTAS's in the non-classified world, and is also the basis of one of the most popular sims in the world. Only makes sense to make something like the Cougar.

In turn, Saitek was trying to compete in terms of functionality (and kind of almost managed it), in order to not copy TM altogehter they needed a custom look. Cram that many buttons and swtiches onto something that is a custom design and your gonna end up with something like that every time. The buttons and knobs have to go somewhere afterall.

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MPortus_
05-12-2004, 04:31 PM
Looks like I'm the only one who finds it ugly. It's like seventies futuristic style. Reminds me R2D2. Wish some company did a WWII style stick and throttle, that would be cool.

El Turo
05-12-2004, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU-8:
AND PEOPLE SAID THE OLD 45 WAS FUTURISIC...heh

does look interesting. shame they got rid of the rocker/butterfly control intact for something at least. the one in my car is a bit dated looking now. cant wait to replace it with this one!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ehh.. the one in your CAR ?

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609IAP_Recon
05-12-2004, 04:55 PM
looks great - I like it - I like my x45 throttle, and when my Ms ffb2 stick goes bad, I'll grab one of these

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Black Sheep
05-12-2004, 05:06 PM
I must admit, I can't abide the look of the X45 & Co either, it's just too.... Fisher Price.

No offence meant to anyone who owns and loves their Saitek stick, it's just a personal dislike.

hobnail
05-12-2004, 05:07 PM
God knows why people like twist rudders, they are inaccurate shooting's handmaiden.

I would reserve judgment till I can see/feel how the spring tension and centering has been changed from the X45.

609IAP_Recon
05-12-2004, 05:18 PM
I use a ms ffb2 stick and have CH pro rudder pedals in addition to the x45 throttle.

No fisher price here, this throttle is a good solid piece of equipment. I have had it since IL2 (all the equipment I have has worked flawlessly since IL2 - with daily use).

The x45 stick has always felt bad to me, I agree with Hobnail that I would like to see if they did a better job with the stick.

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Lav69
05-12-2004, 06:07 PM
No thanks, I'll stick with my x45 and CH pedals.

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GAU-8
05-12-2004, 06:11 PM
H BUTCHER

yeah after my first one broke, throttle side.... i took apart the stick side and replaced the stick shift on my car.... lights work, and i have it roll my windows up/down....

i did it as a joke...just so i didnt have the same "go fast" goodies any other import/aftermarket guy had on thier car..... once people started seeing it they all laugh..when around thier budies..... but one by one everybody comes back.... "dude..i want one..can you install it?".....

so far ive installed 9 in the past year.

maxim26
05-12-2004, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HxPrey:
Looks like I'm the only one who finds it ugly. It's like seventies futuristic style. Reminds me R2D2. Wish some company did a WWII style stick and throttle, that would be cool.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are not the only one. I hate the way it looks. It's good for the game like Star Wars: Star Fighter, but not for WWII simulator.

Though I'm not sure about ergonomics.

BaldieJr
05-12-2004, 06:13 PM
Oh yeah, a two-tit stick ala WWII. Thats exactly what you need. Turn off the cockpit, grab a handfull of replicated hinderance, and go chase down some blue and red words! Yehaw.

EDIT: I visited CWOS today and have only this cherry to show for it.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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Korolov
05-12-2004, 06:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
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Awesome! Lend me $150 to buy those? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Remember, not everybody has a ton of money lying around to spend on their hobby. A twist stick may be like worshipping the devil to some of you, but for the rest of us, it's life. And rocker switches suck.

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Resident_Jock
05-12-2004, 06:25 PM
Am I the only one here who doesn't care what the stick looks like? I prefer something that feels good in my hand and performs well. After all, I should be flying instead of drooling over how cool it looks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And I don't have a problem with the rockers on the X45 either. Maybe it's just me, but I don't like twist sticks. I also don't mind a stick lacking FF, it's just one more thing that can malfunction a year down the road. Gimme a stick that will last a while and not give me arthritis, and I will be just fine.

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-12-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
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Awesome! Lend me $150 to buy those? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Remember, not everybody has a ton of money lying around to spend on their hobby. A twist stick may be like worshipping the devil to some of you, but for the rest of us, it's life. And rocker switches suck.
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eBay man, eBay. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

They aren't that expensive, and it's just part 'n parcel of simming. Like monitors and video cards and processors and RAM.

Hell, get a $15 stick, sacrifice it for one of it's pots and make a set of pedals. It's not difficult, and there are instructions all over the net to boot.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And rocker switches suck.
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Yeah. And so do twisty sticks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Chef-Scott
05-12-2004, 10:01 PM
I'll take one of these!!
Cyborg evo Force (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/cyborg_evo_force.htm)
Perfect match for my n52 SpeedPad! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

adlabs6
05-12-2004, 11:17 PM
Hmm. I look forward to seeing more info in this thing. Integrated Voice Command? Could be good. Twist stick... I hope the rocker is retained (not mentioned in the specs though). More sliders is good, and those additional toggles will be nice for FS2004 or changing weapons/HUD modes in LOMAC.

It does have a look though eh? I remember RayBan calling the X45 something like an 80's blender... IMO this thing is even more dated... almost like a Magnavox Odyssee2 or something.

Oh well, I do most of my play in the dark anyway. I hardly care what a really functional tool (assuming it proves to be one) may look like.

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WUAF_Badsight
05-13-2004, 12:15 AM
ITS A TWISTY !

YAY !!!!!!!!!!!

WUAF_Badsight
05-13-2004, 12:16 AM
i am SOOOOO buying it

my first throttle / stick combo Joystick

Esckey666
05-13-2004, 12:32 AM
I'll buy it as long as it's not more then $150(Canadian) I got no prob with the look, or anything else just wondering about the Voice thingy.

When does this come out to the market?

HangerQueen
05-13-2004, 12:41 AM
Yowser, that stick looks like it belongs in T2. Does this mean that the X45 will drop in price? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
05-13-2004, 01:31 AM
I am always amazed when an (X-45) thread gets started how approximately 20-40% of the posts focus on how it looks. Do you people actucally look at your stick while flying? I don't have time myself. I agree with adlabs... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Oh well, I do most of my play in the dark anyway. I hardly care what a really functional tool (assuming it proves to be one) may look like.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> and Resident Jock.

If this does turn out to be as good or better than the X-45 and the price is right, it might be, like the X-45, one of the best value for money purchases out there.

My 2 kopecks worth.

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hos8367
05-13-2004, 02:18 AM
Why would anyone care what the stick looks like? If you're spending time looking at your joystick you are going to be eating my 108s... And I wouldn't want a WW2 looking joystick. what do most of those have? a button or two? You'd spend half your time using the keyboard which wasn't standard equipment in any WW2 warbird I know of...

WTE_Ibis
05-13-2004, 02:34 AM
Ugly'ugly,twisty,twisty,no force feedback.
Sorry but they can stick this stick! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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Chuck_Older
05-13-2004, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
The purpose of a HOTAS is to provide extreme functionality. WWII control systems were lots of buttons switches and levers. A Mustang or 109 stick would have less functionality than an old Thrustmaster Mk.1.


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COuldn't agree more (I still have my Mk.I)
While it would be cool to have an entire P-51 cockpit set up, with all the switches, dials, etc, in the correct place... I don't think I'll ever do that. SO Function comes before Looks any day of the week in the Sim world, for me

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DarthBane_
05-13-2004, 04:31 PM
If that is twist handle, i am not buying it. The only thing that x45 lacks is force feedback. Peace of shiny sh1t. Will start looking for force feedback joystick, and keep the thrust from old x45.

Blottogg
05-13-2004, 04:57 PM
Anybody else curious about the "non-contact technology" mentioned for the X and Y axes in the press release? I'm assuming this refers to optical pickups for the stick axes, instead of pots. The pots in my X45 are wearing like iron (unlike what I've read about the Cougar's stock pots), so that's not too much of an issue for me. Unless the optical contacts are less accurate, which would be a problem.

The voice recognition software and throttle display seem a little gimmicky, but I'm sure it won't take too long for some enterprising individuals to put them to good use. Hopefully the software will be robust, and not public beta.

The construction description sounds more robust than the X45, perhaps to compete with the Cougar? Good point Adlabs6, I hope they keep the rocker in addition to the twist grip. Being able to lock the twist grip would be appreciated too, but that's just a personal preference.

As far as looks go, yeah it's a little riceboy, but come on guys. If your desk is like mine, you've got enough stuff attached to, running on, or displayed around, your computer to label you as a geek to anyone who comes within sight of it. What difference does its appearance make? If it works well at a reasonable price, I'll probably get one after my X45 goes Tango Uniform.

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Charlie901
05-13-2004, 08:34 PM
It'll fit nicely with that upcomming Star Trek sim?

Scotty, I've got the controls!!!!

GAU-8
05-14-2004, 12:00 AM
i dont care for the old debate of "plastic vs. metal" joystick/hotas.... but i do have to say one thing. who cares if the triggers/other actions are metal..whoopty do.. since when has an actual TRIGGER broken on any joystick???....its not the externals im worried about..but the INTERNALS.

its not the actual pieces that ive had break per se, its the action/load bearing piece inside that breaks. im not hard on my controllers, but they do go thru tons of usage for various sims. and i have to admit saitek had better have them adressed this time around.

im now on my 3rd x45... AND IT PERFORMS FLAWLESSLY... compared to the previous 2 i had, and has so far exceeded the life expectancy of them both. as much as im interested in the new one, as said before from other member, never buy anything the first year it comes out.. buy it the second year. (after all the updates,changes).... its funky, its interesting, but ill wait for the (long term) reports

BlitzPig_DDT
05-14-2004, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU-8:
i dont care for the old debate of "plastic vs. metal" joystick/hotas.... but i do have to say one thing. who cares if the triggers/other actions are metal..whoopty do.. since when has an actual TRIGGER broken on any joystick???....its not the externals im worried about..but the INTERNALS.

its not the actual pieces that ive had break per se, its the action/load bearing piece inside that breaks. im not hard on my controllers, but they do go thru tons of usage for various sims. and i have to admit saitek had better have them adressed this time around.

im now on my 3rd x45... AND IT PERFORMS FLAWLESSLY... compared to the previous 2 i had, and has so far exceeded the life expectancy of them both. as much as im interested in the new one, as said before from other member, never buy anything the first year it comes out.. buy it the second year. (after all the updates,changes).... its funky, its interesting, but ill wait for the (long term) reports<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So......why your 3rd?

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