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Baltar
03-28-2004, 02:23 PM
Just flipping through my copy of Aircraft of WW2 and finding all sorts of ordinance loadout options for planes in IL2 right now that they are currently lacking:

P-39-Not in this book but I know I've read in places that the 37mm was sometimes replaced with a 20mm cannon...I'd really like to see this implemented.

Fiat C.R.42-The C.R.42ter has an additional armament of two 12.7mm mgs., and the C.R.42AS comes in either gun configuration and can carry two 100kg bombs

Hurricane-mk IIs should have options for 250lb or 500 lb bombs or eight 3" rockets. Maybe this would mean a whole new plane but the IID with 40mm cannon pods would be a great addition.

Bf109E-Some of the E series featured a 20mm cannon mounted in the hub in addition to the regular armament.

Me 262-The A-1a/U1 variant with a pair of 20mm cannons in addition to standard quad 30mm cannons....Would this call for a new aircraft?

A6M5-The Model 52c variant with a 20mm cannon and 13mm mg in each wing, plus a single nose mounted 13mm. Provision for a pair of 60kg rockets.

P-51B & C-The armament of the mustang had not been standardized at this point and the B & C types were seen with 4 or 6 gun armaments. Please allow a +2 guns option on the B & C!!

P-51D-I'm a little mystified by the lack of an HVAR loadout option on the D. Please add this!

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Baltar
03-28-2004, 02:23 PM
Just flipping through my copy of Aircraft of WW2 and finding all sorts of ordinance loadout options for planes in IL2 right now that they are currently lacking:

P-39-Not in this book but I know I've read in places that the 37mm was sometimes replaced with a 20mm cannon...I'd really like to see this implemented.

Fiat C.R.42-The C.R.42ter has an additional armament of two 12.7mm mgs., and the C.R.42AS comes in either gun configuration and can carry two 100kg bombs

Hurricane-mk IIs should have options for 250lb or 500 lb bombs or eight 3" rockets. Maybe this would mean a whole new plane but the IID with 40mm cannon pods would be a great addition.

Bf109E-Some of the E series featured a 20mm cannon mounted in the hub in addition to the regular armament.

Me 262-The A-1a/U1 variant with a pair of 20mm cannons in addition to standard quad 30mm cannons....Would this call for a new aircraft?

A6M5-The Model 52c variant with a 20mm cannon and 13mm mg in each wing, plus a single nose mounted 13mm. Provision for a pair of 60kg rockets.

P-51B & C-The armament of the mustang had not been standardized at this point and the B & C types were seen with 4 or 6 gun armaments. Please allow a +2 guns option on the B & C!!

P-51D-I'm a little mystified by the lack of an HVAR loadout option on the D. Please add this!

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LEXX_Luthor
03-28-2004, 02:41 PM
Zero with rockets? I can Whine for that. Awsum!

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Monty_Thrud
03-28-2004, 03:53 PM
I'm with you Baltar(especially on the Hurricane)...i'd like to see the next patch dedicated to ordnance on all the aircraft as well as a bit of a general tidy up of some of the hickups that patches generally cure...but i have to say i think AEP is great and well worth the money...please more, Oleg & team http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Vortex_uk
03-28-2004, 04:04 PM
Just wanna have a whine too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

about the Catalina -

could carry 4000lb of bombs (no problem there) mines,depth charges and 2xTorpedos..also had wheels aswell as the water gears we have now.

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Deathreaper666
03-28-2004, 04:20 PM
P-80 and Go229 need a couple of eggs to drop http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-28-2004, 08:54 PM
And torpedos loadout for the P-38. We need something on the allied side that can carry more than 1 torpedo, especially since the DM for ships has changed and it takes even more torp's than before to sink them.
Here's hoping the B-25 we're getting has a ship killer variant.



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PBNA-Boosher
03-28-2004, 09:14 PM
Don't worry Beebop, with one of the B-25's we're gonna get, you won't need torps, because it's gonna have a 75mm kick butt cannon! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

El Turo
03-28-2004, 11:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ordinance Whine<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can I whine about the misuse of the word ordinance instead of ordnance?

orÔĚdiÔĚnance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (├┬┤rdn-ns)
n.
An authoritative command or order.
A custom or practice established by long usage.
A Christian rite, especially the Eucharist.
A statute or regulation, especially one enacted by a city government.


ordÔĚnance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (├┬┤rdnns)
n.
Military materiel, such as weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and equipment.
The branch of an armed force that procures, maintains, and issues weapons, ammunition, and combat vehicles.
Cannon; artillery.


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tttiger
03-28-2004, 11:43 PM
Thank you, Butcher, you beat me to it.

They should amend the agreement for this board: If you can't spell it, you can't whine about it.

That would eliminate about 90% of the threads http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Other than that. I agree with the first post.

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clint-ruin
03-28-2004, 11:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Baltar:
P-39-Not in this book but I know I've read in places that the 37mm was sometimes replaced with a 20mm cannon...I'd really like to see this implemented.Bf109E-Some of the E series featured a 20mm cannon mounted in the hub in addition to the regular armament.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know this was only an option prior to the N1 model of the P-39 that we have in the game. Would probably require a new flight model at the least to get the appropriate plane in. The D models are pretty sorely missed and I'd love to get them in the game myself.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
A6M5-The Model 52c variant with a 20mm cannon and 13mm mg in each wing, plus a single nose mounted 13mm. Provision for a pair of 60kg rockets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldn't look for it in FB, maybe in Luthiers PTO game?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
P-51D-I'm a little mystified by the lack of an HVAR loadout option on the D. Please add this!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently the P-38 could carry HVARs in the timeframe of WW2, but the P-51 had to wait til Korea to get to use them in service. Just what I've read here before.

The rest - either dunno or agree or both :&gt;

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JR_Greenhorn
03-29-2004, 12:01 AM
I'm all for the idea of getting more loadout options in the FB, but it must be way more seriously done if it has a chance of catching Oleg's glance.

The list here needs to specify specific variants to recieve loadouts. Also, documented record of combat/operational use would be a big plus.

For example, the PBY Catalina (don't we have the PBN?) only had a wheeled undercarriage after a certain variant, -5A, I beleive it was. Also, did the Catalina carry torpedos regularly, or was it just a single instance at Cactus Island? I don't know.

huggy87
03-29-2004, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ordinance Whine<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can I whine about the misuse of the word ordinance instead of ordnance?

_orÔĚdiÔĚnance_ ( P ) Pronunciation Key (├┬┤rdn-ns)
n.
An authoritative command or order.
A custom or practice established by long usage.
A Christian rite, especially the Eucharist.
A statute or regulation, especially one enacted by a city government.


_ordÔĚnance_ ( P ) Pronunciation Key (├┬┤rdnns)
n.
Military materiel, such as weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and equipment.
The branch of an armed force that procures, maintains, and issues weapons, ammunition, and combat vehicles.
Cannon; artillery.


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Amen Butcher,
You would be amazed at how many of my AO's (aviation ordnancemen) mispelled it. Another pet peeve is Hanger and Hangar. I see it constantly mispelled at work and here. You hang your clothes on one and park planes in the other.

DONB3397
03-29-2004, 10:10 AM
Ordnance or ordinance...I'd like HVAR on my P-51D's. With their inline, liquid-cooled engines, they're too vulnerable to ground fire for low altitude bombing and strafing. HVAR is more accurate (after you figure out the drop rate and angle of approach), and provide some stand-off capability. By D-Day, most Mustangs could deliver this ammunition provided by the "Ordnance" branch.

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El Turo
03-29-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
Ordnance or ordinance...I'd like HVAR on my P-51D's. With their inline, liquid-cooled engines, they're too vulnerable to ground fire for low altitude bombing and strafing. HVAR is more accurate (after you figure out the drop rate and angle of approach), and provide some stand-off capability. By D-Day, most Mustangs could deliver this ammunition provided by the "Ordnance" branch.

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There is only Winning!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Baltar
03-29-2004, 11:21 AM
oh forgot to mention--The US also had napalm bombs towards the end of the war. I recall an interview with a Thunderbolt pilot on the History Channel where he mentions dropping napalm on German tanks...

tttiger
03-29-2004, 11:42 AM
From the USAF History Website:

"July 17, 1944. Napalm incendiary bombs are dropped for the first time by American P-38 pilots on a fuel depot at Coutances, near St Lo, France."

Napalm was used in the Pacific a month earlier at Tinian.

LOL, can't spell AND depends on the History Channel for research. Must be a product of the US public school system http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I agree, napalm and HVARs on both the P-47 and P-51 would be nice and historically accurate.

Want a "Wish List"? Look here (this source says P-38s, P-47s and P-51s carried HVARs):

http://www.ww2guide.com/bombs.shtml


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[This message was edited by tttiger on Mon March 29 2004 at 10:57 AM.]