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p1ngu666
08-09-2006, 09:01 AM
been flying the yak abit, and i think its the new expert plane.

the difficult handling, "sufficent" firepower, or difficult and excessive firepower.. on the big cannon versions..

theres the need todo everything manualy, to get the max performance, which u really need.

and the only real advantage u have is turn, and thats not a big one. and the yak isnt happy in a turn either..

imo it takes more skill todo well in a yak, than in a spitfire, or indeed a 190/109 and american planes..

so for those looking for a challenge, the yak is where its at http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu666
08-09-2006, 09:01 AM
been flying the yak abit, and i think its the new expert plane.

the difficult handling, "sufficent" firepower, or difficult and excessive firepower.. on the big cannon versions..

theres the need todo everything manualy, to get the max performance, which u really need.

and the only real advantage u have is turn, and thats not a big one. and the yak isnt happy in a turn either..

imo it takes more skill todo well in a yak, than in a spitfire, or indeed a 190/109 and american planes..

so for those looking for a challenge, the yak is where its at http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Divine-Wind
08-09-2006, 09:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
imo it takes more skill todo well in a yak, than in a spitfire, or indeed a 190/109 and american planes.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
EVERYTHING is harder to do than when in Spitfire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

But yeah, I have great respect to anyone who can bag fighters in that plane. (Greater respect even than for anyone who can take off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif)

p1ngu666
08-09-2006, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
imo it takes more skill todo well in a yak, than in a spitfire, or indeed a 190/109 and american planes.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
EVERYTHING is harder to do than in Spitfire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

naw, level bombing is difficult in a spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

faustnik
08-09-2006, 11:12 AM
I agree, Yaks are challenging to fly in the latest patches. For the first time, going back to IL-2 1.0, I feel I have more maneuver ability in the Lagg-3 than the Yak-1. Yes, you can easily out-turn the Fw190s, but, the Yak has a very short clip and it is hard to keep your sights on the target. In the Fw190, if you get a shot, you are all good. Bf109s can turn as well and they are MUCH more stable.

The only advantage of the Yak is that it is fireproof. This isn't all that helpful though, as Mg151 simply breaks the Yak apart.

MEGILE
08-09-2006, 11:15 AM
Yaks, the new experten plane?

Someone tell the FW-190A8 pilots, they are in the wrong plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

faustnik
08-09-2006, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
Yaks, the new experten plane?

Someone tell the FW-190A8 pilots, they are in the wrong plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, A8s still have a rough time in their historical period, but, hey, they've got tough competition.

MrMojok
08-09-2006, 11:26 AM
But Pingu-- have a look at Blakduk's thread about the Yak in GD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kocur_
08-09-2006, 11:37 AM
WHAT Yak! Surely not -3/-3P... Earlier indeed are difficult to be sucesful in, especially for pilots, whose habits are formed by fast, well armed planes...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
The only advantage of the Yak is that it is fireproof. This isn't all that helpful though, as Mg151 simply breaks the Yak apart. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif And thats it? Not a bug, no need to fix it, cause MG151/20 can do other damage? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

faustnik
08-09-2006, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
WHAT Yak! Surely not -3/-3P... Earlier indeed are difficult to be sucesful in, especially for pilots, whose habits are formed by fast, well armed planes...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
The only advantage of the Yak is that it is fireproof. This isn't all that helpful though, as Mg151 simply breaks the Yak apart. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif And thats it? Not a bug, no need to fix it, cause MG151/20 can do other damage? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it is a bug.

carguy_
08-09-2006, 12:35 PM
The yak indeed seems to have few features of an expert plane.Then again,the type of sorties it performs over there on the eastern front suit the plane just fine.In the west yak is maybe a target but in the east it is better than the LaGG,late Lavockins,all migs.

Its lack of armor is ver nicely compensated by DM bugs,Soviet advantage over LW in guns and very unrealistic viewing game system.

Only early yaks -1,7B are pretty hopeless.All others pretty much rule in the 100-4000m/200-400km/h areas.

F19_Olli72
08-09-2006, 12:40 PM
Definitly an expert plane. With 32051 Yaks of all variants had been produced (about half was Yak-9s) at the end of the war it was the most common russian fighter, and production continued after the war ended. So at least compared to irl, online Yak is a rare sight over Lagg-3, La-5 etc. Still, taking off in Yak9B with bombs is kinda fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGozr
08-09-2006, 01:39 PM
Soviet advantage over LW in guns and very unrealistic viewing game system.

?????

Server with a lots of planes for experts pilots.. NN Below.

KaleunFreddie
08-09-2006, 01:54 PM
I've been 'shouting for years' about how the FW190 outflies the Yak, Spitfire, Hurri ..etc.. etc.
But nobody believes you until you've downed them 3 or more times in a row. About 2 years ago I said that the Yak (La too) was very unstable in slow tight turns, and stalled a lot easier than the FW. This has been the case across all patches of IL2.
It does take an equal experten to fly the Yak/La with the Experten FW/ME109...
I take it you're talking about 'Full Real' mode..
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Kocur_
08-09-2006, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">About 2 years ago I said that the Yak (La too) was very unstable in slow tight turns, and stalled a lot easier than the FW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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VW-IceFire
08-09-2006, 03:10 PM
I'd say so...people laugh but they are stupid...Yaks are a hard plane to do well in. I'm not taking about the Yak-3P where you can probably spray someone with enough 20mm fire to down them...I'm talking about the whole series of Yaks.

Try flying a real air battle flying a Yak-9 against a FW190A-5 or a Bf109G-2 or G-6. Thats HARD. The Yaks want to torque spin in a tight turn, you have very little ammo, the cockpit gunsight view is horrid (particularly bad on the Yak-9U), and any hit to the wing means you will stall with any turn. The FW190, these days, is easier to turn with than a Yak-9. The Yak-9 turns faster but not easier.

Its DM is a little wonky on the fire and fuel tank department...its an old damage model. I look forward to a Yak with better modeling all over in the Storm of War series.

p1ngu666
08-09-2006, 03:29 PM
the la's are fairly stable now, thanks to how we have slats modeled ingame. they are worthy of the title "hero slat"

no cockpit is probably worse for yaks, as a turn wont hide u under the nose, like on cockpit on. all round view is also very good on the later yaks aswell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Kocur_
08-09-2006, 04:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I'd say so...people laugh but they are stupid...Yaks are a hard plane to do well in. I'm not taking about the Yak-3P where you can probably spray someone with enough 20mm fire to down them...I'm talking about the whole series of Yaks.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since I was loughing I presume this fair and friendly comment is adressed to me, but I would like to point out that I said aleady, that I think Yaks before 3/3P ARE DIFFICULT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Its DM is a little wonky on the fire and fuel tank department...its an old damage model. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I belive Yaks used to burn before the patch, that made Fw-190 unflammable.

VW-IceFire
08-09-2006, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I'd say so...people laugh but they are stupid...Yaks are a hard plane to do well in. I'm not taking about the Yak-3P where you can probably spray someone with enough 20mm fire to down them...I'm talking about the whole series of Yaks.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since I was loughing I presume this fair and friendly comment is adressed to me, but I would like to point out that I said aleady, that I think Yaks before 3/3P ARE DIFFICULT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Its DM is a little wonky on the fire and fuel tank department...its an old damage model. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I belive Yaks used to burn before the patch, that made Fw-190 unflammable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Friendly in your regards to be certain. No offense intended. Just trying to head a few others off at the pass in the same shot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yak-3P some people think they do well in but ask them how many times they've returned to base.

Not sure if they ever burned very easily in this game. They didn't let off that thick smoke very often...but they did used to do it. I'll have to do a bit of a shooting gallery against them and see how it goes. They definately aren't made of concrete like the LaGG-3's are. The engine is probably the least vulnerable of any engine in the game (except the LaGG-3).

But then the different models have different attributes as well. The Yak-3 is much more prone to damage than the Yak-1 is. The Yak-9U is seemingly better detailed than the Yak-7B is as well. So its sort of doubly bad against the weakly armed Bf109F-2.

RCAF_Irish_403
08-09-2006, 06:51 PM
the Yaks gunsight is total ****e....i'm sure whoever designed that was secretly working for the Germans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

PBNA-Boosher
08-09-2006, 09:18 PM
I love me Yak! Wouldn't have 'er any other way!

ColoradoBBQ
08-09-2006, 11:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Friendly in your regards to be certain. No offense intended. Just trying to head a few others off at the pass in the same shot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yak-3P some people think they do well in but ask them how many times they've returned to base.

Not sure if they ever burned very easily in this game. They didn't let off that thick smoke very often...but they did used to do it. I'll have to do a bit of a shooting gallery against them and see how it goes. They definately aren't made of concrete like the LaGG-3's are. The engine is probably the least vulnerable of any engine in the game (except the LaGG-3).

But then the different models have different attributes as well. The Yak-3 is much more prone to damage than the Yak-1 is. The Yak-9U is seemingly better detailed than the Yak-7B is as well. So its sort of doubly bad against the weakly armed Bf109F-2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've already tried to test this and found that quite a number of fighters of various countries cannot be flamed. Not even the zippo I-16 can be flamed, though they explode real easily.

leitmotiv
08-10-2006, 12:20 AM
I like the Yak-9T vs anything.

JamesBlonde888
08-10-2006, 01:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

naw, level bombing is difficult in a spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not to mention scratching your balls...

BBB_Hyperion
08-10-2006, 02:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
and the only real advantage u have is turn, ...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Expert Planes are no turners by defintion ,)

But i agree yak did get some style back lately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Karaya-X
08-10-2006, 03:09 AM
The only Yaks which are IMO difficult to fly and fight in are the Yak1 and the Yak7s - totally inferior to the Bf109Fs and even the E4 gives them a pretty hard time.

However starting with the Yak1B they become dangerous again

BGs_Ricky
08-10-2006, 03:51 AM
Been flying some coop missions in a Yak-1, pretty hopeless against people who know what to do in their F-2/4. If you get on their tails, they just push the nose down and you won't be able to follow them in a fast dive, and they'll leave you stalling behind in a climbing turn.
Also any hit in the wings means serious drop of performance and turning ability...
I was happy to trade the LaGG-3 in favour of the Yak-1, thinking it would be much better, but in fact I did far better with the LaGG. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

p1ngu666
08-10-2006, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
and the only real advantage u have is turn, ...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Expert Planes are no turners by defintion ,)

But i agree yak did get some style back lately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fokker triplane? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

robban75
08-10-2006, 12:22 PM
The Yak family have torque modelled. That's why people find them "hard" to fly.

Fighterduck
08-10-2006, 12:30 PM
dont find it really hard to fly..not to be the master of flight..far from it...but i find yak really easy to fly ( i find the p-51 far more difficult to use in dogfight )..like all russian planes..but maybe its because i always fly red planes.
The only "down" thing of yak it's the firepower...for me you have to be too much precise with this plane..sure the cannon can do one hit one kill...but you will need good trainig to do this with efficiency.
But indeed...its a nice plane to fly.

p1ngu666
08-10-2006, 01:55 PM
il2's have torque aswell, and alot of it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BBB_Hyperion
08-10-2006, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
and the only real advantage u have is turn, ...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Expert Planes are no turners by defintion ,)

But i agree yak did get some style back lately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fokker triplane? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fokker dr 1 hmm i heard someone died in it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But you are right that the concept of B&Z planes is a new strategie started with single wing monoplanes and archiveable higher speeds vs slower double wing planes etc. Energy fighting is a different approach to df ww1 style so other type of pilot is needed with expert skills not only on turning combat.
Even when some parts of energy fighting were invented in ww1 the planes were not able to use em fully.

VW-IceFire
08-10-2006, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ColoradoBBQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Friendly in your regards to be certain. No offense intended. Just trying to head a few others off at the pass in the same shot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yak-3P some people think they do well in but ask them how many times they've returned to base.

Not sure if they ever burned very easily in this game. They didn't let off that thick smoke very often...but they did used to do it. I'll have to do a bit of a shooting gallery against them and see how it goes. They definately aren't made of concrete like the LaGG-3's are. The engine is probably the least vulnerable of any engine in the game (except the LaGG-3).

But then the different models have different attributes as well. The Yak-3 is much more prone to damage than the Yak-1 is. The Yak-9U is seemingly better detailed than the Yak-7B is as well. So its sort of doubly bad against the weakly armed Bf109F-2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've already tried to test this and found that quite a number of fighters of various countries cannot be flamed. Not even the zippo I-16 can be flamed, though they explode real easily. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It seems only the newest planes in the game seem to exhibit the most common fire features. The Corsair, Tempest, Ki-100, so on and so forth...the N1K-1J lights up spectacularly if you hit the engine cowling from underneath.

Lazy312
08-11-2006, 12:06 PM
Count me in, I also like yaks and I also find them hard planes to score and survive.