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Realjambo
05-28-2007, 03:19 PM
Thought I'd share with you all a local newspaper feature about the Luftwaffe aircraft that came down around where I live. I've plotted on them on a map and included some stock and genuine pictures of the aircraft themselves that I've been able to find. Hope you like it, I think the article is fascinating. Apologies for the map - I'm no cartographer I'm afraid. I have to admit it left me feeling somewhat humbled that I live where I do, and in a more peaceful time.

Article starts:

Following the evacuation of Allied forces from Dunkirk, August and September 1940 saw many intense air battles fought in the skies above West Sussex. More enemy aircraft were shot down here during that critical Battle of Britain time than in any other period of WW2.

On the same day as the Henkel bomber crash at High Salvington, a Messerschmitt Me 110 twin engine escort fighter belly-flopped among the stooks in a field at Lee Farm, Clapham. ACTUAL aircraft:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/p1769_heinkel_high_salvington_0320.jpg

Three days earlier, on August 13, 1940, an RAF Hurricane Fighter based at RAF Tangmere shot down a Junkers Ju88 at Arundel. The German pilot tried to make a ˜soft' crash landing on the water of Swanbourne Lake but his plane struck a tree on the west bank and the plane tumbled down a steep embankment, tearing itself to bits. Stock photo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/ju-88-1.jpg
RAF Tangmere Control Tower Today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Tangmere_2.jpg

Two of the plane's crew of four had already bailed out and were taken prisoner. Another was found dead in a nearby tree while the parachute of the fourth had fouled on the aircraft's tail as he baled out and he was dragged to his death.

IN 1989, Swanbourne Lake dried out and revealed remnants of the Junkers still buried there – together with four unexploded bombs!

A damaged Junkers Ju87 Stuka landed on the Ham Manor golf course on August 18th, 1940. This was a mission of mercy, the pilot seeking aid for his gunner who had been seriously injured by machine gun fire in the battle above, but he was beyond help. Stock photo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/stuka.jpg

On this occasion sightseers (who usually removed only small souvenirs) ˜liberated' machine guns, ripped instruments from the cockpit and tore swastika's and crosses from the plane's body.

A farmer armed only with a walking stick arrested the five-man crew of a Henkel He 111 shot down at Wick near Littlehampton. They remained prisoners-of-war for five years.

At least five Messerschmitt 110s were shot down within a few miles of Shoreham on one day, September 4th, 1940

One ended up at Washington, a second in Pulborough, the third near Steyning, and a fourth on Mill Hill behind Shoreham. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/messer110.jpg

The fifth plane was in flames as it dived to earth, the gunner was trapped by a damaged canopy. The pilot managed to land in a field at Patching, where he leapt out of the burning aircraft and smashed open the canopy, enabling both men to escape. They were captured later by a British army officer.

On September 9th, a Messerschmitt Me 109 made a forced landing at Storrington and on November 1st a Junkers 88, damaged by anti-aircraft fire, jettisoned it's remaining bombs on West Chiltington golf course before crashing at Storrington.

it is also claimed that a staggering total of 935 aircraft were downed and crashed in Sussex during the war.Photo of actual vapour trails during the Battle of Briatian over West Sussex, pretty busy I think you'll agree!:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/p1630_vapour_trails_0336.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/sussexv2.jpg

geoffwessex
05-28-2007, 03:37 PM
Good posting, RJ - I spent many happy hours as a kid playing around both High Salvington (think I needed a No.4 bus from Worthing Pier!) and Swanbourne Lake at Arundel (No.9?). Both of them became routine summer bike rides. Must say I didn't know about any aircraft at the time.

I'd have been a kid from around the mid-50s, 15 years after the Battle of Britain. It seemed a long time in the past then, but now 15 years just flies by!

Celeon999
05-29-2007, 02:30 AM
Very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


There is a B-17 at the bottom of the lake i live near to.

No pics available http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Messervy
05-29-2007, 06:20 AM
This lake?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/Messervy/Lake.jpg

Celeon999
05-29-2007, 06:36 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif......yes....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

post-socialist utopia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

VikingGrandad
05-29-2007, 05:48 PM
Very informative post RJ - thanks for sharing it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Of the 935 aircraft downed in Sussex, do you know how many were during the Battle of Britain period? Also does this figure include Allied aircraft, or just Luftwaffe? Either way, it would make an interesting map if you could somehow get details of all the other crash sites. Do you know where the newspaper got their info from?

VikingGrandad
05-29-2007, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


There is a B-17 at the bottom of the lake i live near to.

No pics available http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Is that lake called Müggelsee? If so, I wonder if this would this be the details of that B-17's demise?

Date
8.8.1944

Pilot
Ofhr. Herbert, Bertholdt, 4 Staffel, JG27

Enemy
B17 e.V.

Place
NE Grosser Müggelsee: 8200m

In case you're interested, I found the info in this PDF:

http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/doc/victories-germany-ww2-claims-b-17.pdf
(page 38)

tuddley3
05-29-2007, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by VikingGrandad:
Do you know where the newspaper got their info from?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Maybe someone named RJ Ambo, Gibraltar Herald Reporter at large !!!

Speaking of which, have I been too busy to miss any latest articles of this publication ?

Realjambo
05-29-2007, 11:37 PM
Of the 935 aircraft downed in Sussex, do you know how many were during the Battle of Britain period? Also does this figure include Allied aircraft, or just Luftwaffe? Either way, it would make an interesting map if you could somehow get details of all the other crash sites. Do you know where the newspaper got their info from?


I think the 935 was the total Luftwaffe count for the duration of the whole war but I will check. As for the other creash sites, I wondeer if my local library could help?

Oh and thanks VG for resizing the map in my orginal post - much more readable now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

pronto101
05-30-2007, 01:50 AM
am l missing something because l don't see any picturs or anything, is there a menu l need to you to to view the picturs

Celeon999
05-30-2007, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by VikingGrandad:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Very interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


There is a B-17 at the bottom of the lake i live near to.

No pics available http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Is that lake called Müggelsee? If so, I wonder if this would this be the details of that B-17's demise?

Date
8.8.1944

Pilot
Ofhr. Herbert, Bertholdt, 4 Staffel, JG27

Enemy
B17 e.V.

Place
NE Grosser Müggelsee: 8200m

In case you're interested, I found the info in this PDF:

http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/doc/victories-germany-ww2-claims-b-17.pdf
(page 38) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes that's the Müggelsee http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Absolutely possible that it is that one.

Good find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

*Saves the pdf to his harddisk* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Britamer
01-01-2018, 06:24 PM
Was idly searching for any info on the plane my dead mum told me she saw go down during Battle of Britain when this link popped up. Very cool to see corroboration. Makes her come alive again. It was an old link (2007?) regarding "Planes that came down where I live." or something - I was interested in Arundel.
My mum was 18 in 1940, was one of the 'castle girls' working for the Duke of Norfolk in the "Still Room" - the pastry/dessert making part of the castle, as well as many other chores. She had been working on one of the upper floors when air raid sirens started, so she headed for the stairs in one of the towers. Being young she liked to linger a bit before going into the castle basement where she had been expressly ordered to go during raids. She often caught sight of the black dots coming in over the channel and "our boys" flying to meet them. On this particular day she was shocked by a loud roar of a very low plane, flash past very close to where she was. The short seconds of her experience imprinted into her memory the terror on the face of the german airman whose parachute was caught around the tail plane or wheel of the bomber. My memory of her story included that the plane crashed into the castle lake or pond. (I have never been to Arundel.) This link matched her sighting very closely.
For my part I always made the plane to be a Stuka. My mum was never one to be bothered by technical details, aeronautical or otherwise. She said that the pilot was slumped dead with an arm trailing outside of cockpit - this differs from the links account. Which is accurate? Who can know. Or was there a similar incident with a Stuka?

She also spoke of a day off she had in Littlehampton looking in the window of a ration sad clothe shop when she was brutally thrown to the ground under a soldier. Instantly a loud engine noise screamed over and up the high road with hammering and bangs everywhere. When she got up after it was over the shop window was destroyed and the mannikins, like people, were knocked over with their guts blown out of them. A crying woman further up the street kept repeating, "It's 4 o'clock". When mum asked she went on to say the kids come out of school at four, and they hadn't, they were late for some miraculous reason. The krauts liked lone wave top sorties, where there could be no warning and virtually no danger to themselves.