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Maple_Tiger
05-16-2005, 11:09 AM
I thought I would start this up because I just got mine a few days ago. This seems to be a very nice stick so far;however, I may need change the stick settings.

Basicaly, I just wanted some feed back from other Fighter stick owners, what there stick settings are, and what planes they fly.

I don't have any rudder peddles lol. I have full rudder and rudder mapped to the button that your thumb rests on lol.

I havent flown in almost two months - I feel like a noob lol.

Thanks for your replys.

Kasdeya
05-16-2005, 11:44 AM
Hey maple i will be on comms tonight and can help you with that also.

Maple_Tiger
05-16-2005, 11:48 AM
Sounds great Kas. I'm learning gunnery all over again lol.

Lol, I just realized what trim on a weel meens now lol.

Dumbo_AK32nd
05-16-2005, 03:38 PM
As soon as you can afford it, you definitely want to get the CH rudder pedals to go with your stick. I tried doing what you're doing now for about two months and decided that it was just too much of a hassle. Besides, you'll be amazed at how much better your flying gets with decent rudder control...particularly on take-offs and (carrier) landings!

I basically have my stick's three "modes" divided into air-to-air, air-to-ground, and take-off/landing. I have a lot of overlap between the three modes as to what exactly is mapped to each button, but it's less confusing this way (for my addled brain, at least!).

Maple_Tiger
05-16-2005, 06:43 PM
Three modes?

I'm still trying to figure out one mood lol. I realy want the peddles, but it will have to wait a bit. I owe Revenue Canada 1,400 dallers for income tax. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Frenchminem
05-17-2005, 04:02 AM
hey marple!!!
saw your post on my joystick thread.. and I wanna know what mouse you're using to look/throttle, when flying, cuz my LX700 scroll is unrecognized under PF... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif i got tools to solve this... ut seems do doesn't work.. maybe a simple cord/bowl mouse would ru better!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

WOLFMondo
05-17-2005, 07:10 AM
I got a CH Fighter stick and pedals about 2 months ago. I love them both and the control of the plane is superior to any twist stick but there is a learning curve with it.

I found you cannot change any of the in game settings for the stick in FB/PF, you have to do it all in the CH manager app.

I found the stick defaults had way to much control over the control surfaces in the first few degrees of stick travel so I made it less sensitive other wise I found myself never being able to line up on anything and flying the 190 was a nightmare as it rolled at full input only after a few degrees of stick travel.

After some changes after some nasty online accidents I summoned the courage to go onto warclouds, hop in an A9 and got 5 kills in quick succession which is better than normal although its still to sensitive for use with a D9 or P47 at high altitude, I find myself making to sharp manouvers instead of smooth flowing manouvers.

Iron_Hand1
05-17-2005, 07:51 AM
you can also find CH manager profiles here for PF.
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/

S~

x6BL_Brando
05-17-2005, 09:04 AM
Hi MT,

Glad to hear you made the change....I don't think you'll regret it, though the pedals should definitely go high on the wish-list. I'm sorry to hear about the Revenue situation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I've been using my FS & pedals for a couple of years now, and I've given up waiting for them to break! That's in spite of having to rip the stick apart to convert it to leht-hand use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Actually that gave me a lot of info about the construction methods - very impressive! Among my usual blunders, I managed to step (forcefully) on the shell of the handle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Full weight too, wearing shoes - but I didn't even mark it. Polystyrene it ain't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If you get a non-DirectX map together, then you will find the modes extremely useful. Using the shift button you can achieve somewhere in the region of 100 available commands from the stick alone. Like Dumbo, I have my modes arranged around take-off & landing, combat, and (atm) carrier ops. I need to rewrite some stuff to streamline it, but it's working fine as it is.
There is indeed some overlap. Commands that are needed in all modes (trim for example) will eat up space in each mode of course. But I still have most of the necessary stuff on there. I will use the keyboard to start the engine(s), select the speedbar setting, and chat to the crowd - but once I'm airborne I don't use the KB at all.

One point about "trim-on-a-wheel". While it is a tremendously useful option it is not like the trim-tab adjustment available in the sim-engine. The trim-wheel only shifts the shaft of the potentiometer involved (pitch or roll) and this causes the entire control surface to move. (I guess it could be called 'coarse' trim.) However, as it is modelled in FB, these entire-surface deflections can cause a lot of drag and slow you down noticeably. So it's worth still using trim tabs for stuff like continuous climbs and so on.

DON'T forget to reset the trim-wheel to the centre when you change attitude. The mechanics of it mean that the stick will not easily pull you out of a dive if you have set the wheel forward to trim a climb - because the last part of the stick's travel has been 'cut off', which can lead to some embarassment! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have always wished that CH would mark the centre position more clearly, although the detent is a good hint but I also like the visual reminder.

Try having a chat with Bob Church at the CH Hangar forum - you'll be amazed at the possibilities for scripted commands, as well as the enthusiasm of the regular contributors and their willingness to help out a new boy.

Have fun...

B

Maple_Tiger
05-17-2005, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Frenchminem:
hey marple!!!
saw your post on my joystick thread.. and I wanna know what mouse you're using to look/throttle, when flying, cuz my LX700 scroll is unrecognized under PF... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif i got tools to solve this... ut seems do doesn't work.. maybe a simple cord/bowl mouse would ru better!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif



I posted a reply about that in your thread. Let me know if it helps any. Mine is just the cord and ball lol.

Maple_Tiger
05-17-2005, 10:47 AM
Hey Brando.

Qoute:

DON'T forget to reset the trim-wheel to the centre when you change attitude. The mechanics of it mean that the stick will not easily pull you out of a dive if you have set the wheel forward to trim a climb - because the last part of the stick's travel has been 'cut off', which can lead to some embarassment!


Yup, me thinks you is correct lol; that said, I learned the hard way.

Well, I'm still not realy sure what you guys mean buy "modes". So far, I'm trying to get the hang of the P-51D-20NA.

I use to have my flaps and cowel armor on the keyboard, and I just put them on the stick yesterday lol. I just the bottons lol. There easy to reach and use. I was thinking of adding the ingame trim to the stick as well.

x6BL_Brando
05-17-2005, 02:01 PM
I learned the hard way.

LOL, MT, many hard times here! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The mode function can only be used in mapped-mode. Likewise the shift-button, I think. Creating a map in this way is not too difficult - a bit tedious perhaps and a bit mind-stretching, in that you need to decide what commands you want and where to put them. Groupngs like Mode1 for take-off and landing make good sense for reasons like:--- you only really need your undercart levers, arrestor hook, landing lights and stuff for the one purpose. (I haven't tried to see if I can kill a plane using the hook http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Likewise, you don't need to fire a rocket, drop a bomb or cycle through gun-positions while you're on the tarmac! So splitting the commands across two or three modes is quite sensible really, in that it prevents those mistakes AND at least doubles the number of stick-mounted commands available.

It's a bit like trim-wheels - but CH provide a visible cue in the shape of the three LED's at the top-left of the stick-base.

I would suggest biting the bullet over the Control Manager as soon as you can - just so that you don't get a mind-map of a single-mode stick and then have to relearn the whole thing later. Your choice of course.

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/ - all the friendly help you could need http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

B

horseback
05-17-2005, 05:16 PM
I've gone through a few mind-maps in my time with my CH rig; I keep about four maps on the game's Control Menu at any given time-LW fighter, early Allied fighters, late Allied fighters, and twin-engined fighters (I don't do bombers). It's not as hard as it sounds.

cheers

horseback

Aviar
05-17-2005, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
I've gone through a few mind-maps in my time with my CH rig; I keep about four maps on the game's Control Menu at any given time-LW fighter, early Allied fighters, late Allied fighters, and twin-engined fighters (I don't do bombers). It's not as hard as it sounds.

cheers

horseback

Only 4? Right now I have maps for my favorite 20-or-so planes. Additionally, each plane has at least 2 maps, depending on the settings of the room I'm flying in.

When I change planes, I simply minimize the game to my desktop, open CH Manager and download the appropriate map. It takes about 20 seconds.

CH rules... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Aviar