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Afromike1
09-13-2008, 07:07 AM
Ive been looking at videos of both and it seems like BOB2 has got a lot more "stuff" into it. Like, I like the damaging a lot better in BOB2 and the smoke/flames are cool too.

Which game do you think is better (currently)?

leitmotiv
09-13-2008, 07:41 AM
No way. The modded 46 basically makes BOB II an antique in every way except the cunning of the AI.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
No way. The modded 46 basically makes BOB II an antique in every way except the cunning of the AI.

Hardly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This look antique?

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4735/shot032xl9.jpg

or this?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5772/shot091bs2.jpg

I always find the people who diss BoB/WOV the most are people with very limited knowlege of the present game.

Yes ground level details need improving and at this time this is being done. I don't spend a lot of time on the ground looking at eye candy so this doesn't bother me too much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The one thing you got right is the Ai. It makes Il-2 look sick with or without mods. It would make mince meat out of most of you guys.

Then there is the excellent Fm's. BOB's fm's are truly wonderful. Il-2 just can't compair I am sorry to tell you.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 09:34 AM
Here is a weather shot..

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/253/shot045rm1.jpg

BOB/Wov is a truly emersive game. When you get into battle with hundreds of totally excellent planes all trying to kill you you will find out why. Il-2 for me is a big yawn except I suppose in Mult-player. I really really hate Multi-player politics and childish behavior so I stay clear of that particular arena like the Plague. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lbuchele
09-13-2008, 09:35 AM
I always had the curiosity to give BOB2 a try but can´t find it.Do you know where can I buy it?

DKoor
09-13-2008, 09:38 AM
Hey Mike have you ever played these games?

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by lbuchele:
I always had the curiosity to give BOB2 a try but can´t find it.Do you know where can I buy it?

Ask them here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=42


They should hook you up with little trouble. The guys on this forum are some of the best I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Just being a part of this forum is worth the 20 dollar price. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

They will help you with anything you need buddy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

and yes those are hundreds of german planes in the background. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3336/shot042wy3.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9365/shot082tk8.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5316/shot708er0.jpg

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 10:11 AM
The scenery isn't all that bad either if you aren't right at ground level. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3259/shot052ui4.jpg

M_Gunz
09-13-2008, 10:17 AM
What's this about the AI?

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
What's this about the AI?

Well lets put it this way buddy. You know with every other game how you have the Ai figured out in about two quick missions and you destroy it with ease after that.

Well I flew my favorite one v one quick missions today me in a 109 and the British pilot in a spit at only veteran level.

He cleaned my clock every time and I have been flying this sim for a long long time.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I find I really have to be on my toes all the times with the Ai now it is so bloody good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I watched the recorded gun camera videos and he was pulling tricks I never expected!


I had to even resort to the old german trick of bunting the 109 into a steep dive a few times to get away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

ElAurens
09-13-2008, 10:52 AM
Only one problem with BOB2, and it's huge.

NO ONLINE COMPONENT.

Hence, no sale for this old boy.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Only one problem with BOB2, and it's huge.

NO ONLINE COMPONENT.

Hence, no sale for this old boy.

They have been discussing this for a while. For me the Ai and campaign is all I will ever need but for some people the multi-player is very important. A new game with the merlin /bob engine is being developed as we speak. I believe it is set in the Pacific theater. No doubt that will have a mult-player included. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You guys with the "only mult-player" really don't know what your missing though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The developers of this new sim are hard at work and promise to share all their new code with BOB. This should make a lot of things in Bob possible which aren't at this time. Like multi-player.

There actually was a multiplayer developed for bob/wov did you know? It was never finished up is all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bearcat99
09-13-2008, 11:40 AM
No

rat0a
09-13-2008, 11:41 AM
My 2 cents
I have both and I do enjoy IL2 more than BOB but
the AI in BOB is way better by a long shot, let's put it this way the AI is more human like

Now I don't play that game because I'm kind of person who likes to receive orders get into the cockpit and fly away but in BOB you have to do lots of Admin stuff LOL and I hate managing

Deedsundone
09-13-2008, 11:41 AM
No,but that dosen´t make BOB2 to a bad game.Both got its pros and cons and hence I got them both.A win win situation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

joeap
09-13-2008, 12:02 PM
Oh joy another "X game vs. Y game" thread.

I clicked on it...

Chivas
09-13-2008, 12:06 PM
I have and enjoy flying BOB WOV, and all of us should have a copy, but the IL-2 series is better in most catagories. A small but dedicated group are improving the sim, but the Merlin engine makes it a very tough slow go, compared to the improvements being made with the IL-2 series.

BOB WOV is a very good history lesson on the Battle of Britain. The map needs airbase and town names added, but you can buy a very good Battle of Britain era map from their site.

The AI in BOB11 is as easy to out fly as IL-2's AI. The IL-2 aircraft are more stable gun platforms and the stick adjustments are more refined allowing for a quicker precise gun solution. Otherwise the FM's feel similiar in alot of other ways.

Its a myth that the AI can't see thru clouds in BOB WOV.

Giving orders to the AI in BOB 11 is just as frustrating as giving orders in IL-2.

The damage model is more realistic in IL-2.

I like the english voice chatter in BOB 11.

Some other sounds were decent but hearing seagulls and screaming over the sound of the merlin engine was intertesting and emersive for some, but highly unrealistic.

BOB WOV looks decent at high altitude and on the airbase, but thats where it ends. The graphics needs alot of work. The sim needs improved Sun, clouds, shoreline, roads, railroads, trees, hedgrows, bridges, and objects that can't been seen thru the hills and cliffs.

BOB WOV had no competition in that theater until now.

Flying a Spit 1 in Reflected's Hawkinge Raid mission from Canon's English Channel 1940 map with Campans tree mod against he111's, 110's, and 109's is far more emmersive than any mission I've ever flown in BOB WOV.

WOV's small community, will be eroded by IL-2's English Channel Map. WOV is still the only sim with a campaign that can be controlled by the player but it appears that the percentage of WOV players who use the feature is small.

Frankly the community will stay small until they make a breakthru with the Merlin code to allow quicker and easier additions of maps, mods, aircraft, multiplayer, etc.

The main thing that keeps me flying BOB WOV is the use of magnetos, fuel *****, etc in the start up, and the rearm feature that I use to land and simulate being rearmed.

Bakelit
09-13-2008, 12:14 PM
The same as Deedsundone.
Love both for what they are.

BoB (or "Adlertag" as it was marketed here, I still have the special german market box) or WoV is a deep Battle of Britain simulation.

IL2 is a vast system of air combat simulation with a big online component.

I love WoV for the AI, the formations, the 1940 feel.

I love Il2 for the sensation of flight feel, the damage system and all the diversity.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 12:31 PM
To me each game has it's major pros and cons. That why I alternate flying both. It isn't and either or situation for me. It doesn't need to be IMO.

Iy's just what kind flying mood I am in at the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 12:38 PM
Chivas
The AI in BOB11 is as easy to out fly as IL-2's AI. The IL-2 aircraft are more stable gun platforms and the stick adjustments are more refined allowing for a quicker precise gun solution. Otherwise the FM's feel similiar in alot of other ways.

Well this is where I disagree with you chivas about the seperate ai's/fm's and to the emersiveness of the Bob campaigns to the Il-2 bob map but we are allowed to have our own personal opinions right buddy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would say anyone that doesn't have the game get it and start enjoying it. As I said isn't doesn't have to be an either or situation.

BOB/Merlin doesn't have Japanese planes you know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

well not yet... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Wildnoob
09-13-2008, 12:46 PM
hmm, looks like that BOB have swastika as default. pretty interesting, as we don't have this on the ocident versions of IL2.

also, correct markings. we have generic markings on IL2. IL2 folow the basic design in terms of basic colours, but not at all.

Xiolablu3
09-13-2008, 12:49 PM
No

I_KG100_Prien
09-13-2008, 01:03 PM
I wish I could find my BOB2 CD so I could install it and get it patched up to date.

The last time I played it was when it had a lot of stability issues. Didn't get a chance to give anything else a fair shake because of the constant CTD's.

Sounds like it has improved so mayhap I'll dig around for the disc a little more.

WOLFPLAYER2007
09-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Is it still avaible to buy in the stores? wow, looks like very interesting!

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
I wish I could find my BOB2 CD so I could install it and get it patched up to date.

The last time I played it was when it had a lot of stability issues. Didn't get a chance to give anything else a fair shake because of the constant CTD's.

Sounds like it has improved so mayhap I'll dig around for the disc a little more.

If you have it somewhere, find it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The game is improving by leaps and bounds now. One thing a lot of people don't realise is you better have a pretty fair computer/cpu and video card to get the most out of BOB. In fact a better one then for Il-2 even! A lot of people assume because it's an older game that they can run it with the on board video card! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

They always blame the game when it is their marginal gaming computer that is at fault. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I once did the very same thing.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

zardozid
09-13-2008, 01:10 PM
I wanted to give it a try...so I loaded it onto my computer, patched it up, and started to play...

I had one big problem that I could NEVER fix... The view system. I have TrackIR w/6DOF so I was really excited about using the system in-game, but I could never get it to work smoothly. I tried every setting and profile tweak that I could think of but still I got a very "jerky" view. My "in-game" view was nothing like what you see in the 6DOF video demonstrations for the game... I even tried lowering all my game settings to basic/low/sp**** because I thought that maybe I had a cpu "bottleneck" but it didn't help at all.

I want to try the game again but the view was so jerky that it killed my enjoyment "big-time".

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
Is it still avaible to buy in the stores? wow, looks like very interesting!

http://www.gogamer.com/Battle-of-Britain-2--Wings-of-Vi...444808VVviewprod.htm (http://www.gogamer.com/Battle-of-Britain-2--Wings-of-Victory-PC-Simulations_stcVVproductId4759263VVcatId444808VVvi ewprod.htm)

you can download it at the shockwave site cheaper I believe. You do get the cd with this though which imo is easily worth the extra 10 dollars.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by zardozid:
I wanted to give it a try...so I loaded it onto my computer, patched it up, and started to play...

I had one big problem that I could NEVER fix... The view system. I have TrackIR w/6DOF so I was really excited about using the system in-game, but I could never get it to work smoothly. I tried every setting and profile tweak that I could think of but still I got a very "jerky" view. My "in-game" view was nothing like what you see in the 6DOF video demonstrations for the game... I even tried lowering all my game settings to basic/low/sp**** because I thought that maybe I had a cpu "bottleneck" but it didn't help at all.

I want to try the game again but the view was so jerky that it killed my enjoyment "big-time".

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

a lot of people use the Track Ir system for bob and I am envious of them all. I have to settle for the PV button. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

many people are using it succesfully buddy so don't give up hope. IMO it is worth the extra effort to get it going seeing as you have it already. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 01:28 PM
One thing I really like in BOB is being able to lean out the open canopy and look behind you in the spit and Hurricane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

In the 109 it is even nice except you can't open the canopy in flight as was in real life also. You do get a much better rearview though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WOLFPLAYER2007
09-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Ok, i saw some trailers of BOB 2 in youtube...one thing that BOB is better than il2 (my opinion please) and i mean much better is the sound, the fly by of the planes and the sound of the engine and guns are much more realistic than il2...i also liked the voices, the germans in il2 are way to stressed.

but the rest i think that il2 has a slightly advantage.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
Ok, i saw some trailers of BOB 2 in youtube...one thing that BOB is better than il2 (my opinion please) and i mean much better is the sound, the fly by of the planes and the sound of the engine and guns are much more realistic than il2...i also liked the voices, the germans in il2 are way to stressed.

but the rest i think that il2 has a slightly advantage.


The trailors really don't do it justice buddy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

They aren't very fluid and are of poor quality compaired to the game.

The best I found on short notice.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2525213176332274419&vt=lf&hl=en

This is my normal 109 cockpit view. See how poor quality the videos are. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4369/shot079hd3.jpg

Xiolablu3
09-13-2008, 02:19 PM
You cannot really compare them,IL2 has online play, hundreds of flyable planes in many different theatres all over the world. Carriers, bombers, ground attack, coops.


BOB2 has 4 flyable aircrat on one theatre and no online play.

I still like BOB2, but it cannot compare with IL2 IMHO.

Its like comparing a corner shop with a supermarket.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
You cannot really compare them,IL2 has online play, hundreds of flyable planes in many different theatres all over the world. Carriers, bombers, ground attack, coops.


BOB2 has 4 flyable aircrat on one theatre and no online play.

I still like BOB2, but it cannot compare with IL2 IMHO.

Its like comparing a corner shop with a supermarket.

Ya, a "specialty meat shop"

Ya compairisons are hard for this exact reason aren' they? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
09-13-2008, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
No way. The modded 46 basically makes BOB II an antique in every way except the cunning of the AI.

Hardly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This look antique?

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4735/shot032xl9.jpg

or this?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5772/shot091bs2.jpg

I always find the people who diss BoB/WOV the most are people with very limited knowlege of the present game.

Yes ground level details need improving and at this time this is being done. I don't spend a lot of time on the ground looking at eye candy so this doesn't bother me too much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The one thing you got right is the Ai. It makes Il-2 look sick with or without mods. It would make mince meat out of most of you guys.

Then there is the excellent Fm's. BOB's fm's are truly wonderful. Il-2 just can't compair I am sorry to tell you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks is not the play of the game, and the look, compared to FSX, is crude. I've used BOB II from the release until the next to last patch. It never gripped me like IL-2---it always made me conscious it was a game. I tried to like it, but it never closed the deal for me. The lack of flyable bombers (other than the Ju 87B) was another deal breaker for me. I mainly used BOB II to be able to fly the Bf 110C. After the mods came out, I was so impressed with the IL-2 110C with 6 DOF compared to BOB II's, I lost all interest. The BOB II 110 never gave me the sense of the 110's plusses and minuses---it always seemed to be gasping.

triad773
09-13-2008, 04:22 PM
I like both, but I prefer IL-2- especially after installing the mods I like.

- Better eye candy (hence, for me more immersion)
- Familiar system
- More maps then you can shake a stick at http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif
- Network play

make IL-2 my current choice.

Chris0382
09-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Ive just set up BOB2

The navigation seems horrible as I dont know were to go and see no indicator of were to go.

There is no minimap and the inflight fullscreen map is horrible to use.

Ground objetcs have a symbols pointing to thier direction and are impossible to see once I get near them.

The controls assignments are too numerous and are not clear what does what. I dont know what controls are needed for basic missions.

The aircraft control is too sensitive.

Whats with the horrible engine stutter nearfull throttle.

The game interface is too confusing.

To be honest, I can't figure out really how to play the game. And I don't have time to scour thru squinting and scrolling thru electronic manuals on the disk.

Im sticking with IL-2 as I've invested my time with that AND ENJOY IT IMMENSLY. I don't want to have to spend weeks figuring out BOB2.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
Ive just set up BOB2

The navigation seems horrible as I dont know were to go and see no indicator of were to go.

There is no minimap and the inflight fullscreen map is horrible to use.

Ground objetcs have a symbols pointing to thier direction and are impossible to see once I get near them.

The controls assignments are too numerous and are not clear what does what. I dont know what controls are needed for basic missions.

The aircraft control is too sensitive.

Whats with the horrible engine stutter nearfull throttle.

The game interface is too confusing.

To be honest, I can't figure out really how to play the game. And I don't have time to scour thru squinting and scrolling thru electronic manuals on the disk.

Im sticking with IL-2 as I've invested my time with that AND ENJOY IT IMMENSLY. I don't want to have to spend weeks figuring out BOB2.

I have a feeling that is a wise choice for you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I play them both and am quite happy with each one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

There probably should be more of an easy interface for beginers I have to agree though.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
No way. The modded 46 basically makes BOB II an antique in every way except the cunning of the AI.

Hardly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This look antique?

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4735/shot032xl9.jpg

or this?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5772/shot091bs2.jpg

I always find the people who diss BoB/WOV the most are people with very limited knowlege of the present game.

Yes ground level details need improving and at this time this is being done. I don't spend a lot of time on the ground looking at eye candy so this doesn't bother me too much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The one thing you got right is the Ai. It makes Il-2 look sick with or without mods. It would make mince meat out of most of you guys.

Then there is the excellent Fm's. BOB's fm's are truly wonderful. Il-2 just can't compair I am sorry to tell you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks is not the play of the game, and the look, compared to FSX, is crude. I've used BOB II from the release until the next to last patch. It never gripped me like IL-2---it always made me conscious it was a game. I tried to like it, but it never closed the deal for me. The lack of flyable bombers (other than the Ju 87B) was another deal breaker for me. I mainly used BOB II to be able to fly the Bf 110C. After the mods came out, I was so impressed with the IL-2 110C with 6 DOF compared to BOB II's, I lost all interest. The BOB II 110 never gave me the sense of the 110's plusses and minuses---it always seemed to be gasping. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FSX isn't a combat flight sim that I am aware of. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmov "It never gripped me like IL-2---it always made me conscious it was a game"

See this is the exact opposite to me. Il-2 is more of a game IMO. The sky graphics on BOB are so darn pretty compaired to il-2. Clouds are wonderful to behold. As I said this is all a matter of opinion. To each his own. To me they both have obvious plus and minuses.

Btw Shockwave has some totally awesome non-combat flight sims with truly excellent graphics if you like that kind of thing.

I don't personaly.

If I did I would go with THIS! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/wingsofpower/p47/screenshots/p47_ext_3.jpg

shockwaves P47 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

WOLFPLAYER2007
09-13-2008, 05:36 PM
But one thing i must say, the sound of this BOB 2 is awesome.

I only hope that SOW have realistic and improved sounds, and smoother and audible german voices, the german in the control tower in il2 needs a hug.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by WOLFPLAYER2007:
But one thing i must say, the sound of this BOB 2 is awesome.

I only hope that SOW have realistic and improved sounds, and smoothier and audible german voices, the german in the control tower in il2 needs a hug.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 06:48 PM
well we have obviously got a bunch of il-2 die-hard that would rather argue then think of trying bob. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I also suspect a few that bought it ditched it because of the complicated campain mode sad to say. I play both and enjoy them for different reasons. To me it's like having Pizza one night and Chinese food the next to me. I could eat pizza every night but that spoils it eventially.

Gretchin says Hi and wishes you all would come over to try the dark side. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif Or is that AAA? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7793/shot659ir3.jpg

Chivas
09-13-2008, 07:08 PM
BOB WOV is a great game. If it was as good as the IL-2 series, most of this community would also frequent the WOV forums. As yet there is still just a small percentage of us doing so.

LEXX_Luthor
09-13-2008, 07:17 PM
IL-2/FB is a great game. If it was good as the BoB2 series, most of that community would also frequent the IL-2 forums. As yet there is still just a small percentage of them doing so.

Thus, Chivas and LEXX work together, hand in hand, to prove: Each has its own community with some cross dressers.

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 07:21 PM
I never go by percentages to prove worth. after all that is how america elected Bush to a second term. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
IL-2/FB is a great game. If it was good as the BoB2 series, most of that community would also frequent the IL-2 forums. As yet there is still just a small percentage of them doing so.

Thus, Chivas and LEXX work together, hand in hand, to prove: Each has its own community with some cross dressers.

Can we see you both in some nice dresses then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

we'll see how you two stack up to B.F. ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chivas
09-13-2008, 07:41 PM
Sorry my dress is at the cleaners. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Chivas:
Sorry my dress is at the cleaners. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

we'll let you pad your bra even. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seeing it is B.F. you'll be up again't you had better bring a whole lot of stuffing! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 07:50 PM
I really ot not to give BF a chance to flash her hooters here. She does it already for the price of a coffee and a sticky bunn. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
09-13-2008, 08:27 PM
You like living dangerous, don't you?

And as far as cross-dressers, please don't encourage!
You remind me of when Stafroty put up that pic... it was horrible I tell ya!

stalkervision
09-13-2008, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
You like living dangerous, don't you?

And as far as cross-dressers, please don't encourage!
You remind me of when Stafroty put up that pic... it was horrible I tell ya!

I didn't bring the topic up buddy but that fast ball straight line was right down the center of the plate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif I certainly don't encourage any photos! Dear god no!! No! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


"not that there is anything wrong with it" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

we'll keep this topic for Holloween shall we..? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

M_Gunz
09-14-2008, 12:14 AM
It hadta be said, huh?

It's just that if you play online and BF finds you... she'll virtually murder ya!

And.... please not the Stafroty picture again! Here, use the whip or the thumbscrews instead!

ytareh
09-14-2008, 02:23 AM
I have installed and tried to get into BOB2WOV at least 4 or 5 times and I just cant!From the very beginning I cant even find the key settings easy to input...And why does my Track IR view seem to float around (no its not the 6dof!!!)Sure it has some good features and it is more immersive but it simply cant compete with IL2...OK so we moan a bit here but we all know who makes the best flight sim bar none!!!

leitmotiv
09-14-2008, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Il-2 is more of a game IMO.

You have got to be kidding. The flight modeling in IL-2 is so superior there is no contest. The engine management is far superior in IL-2. For example, the 110C has the automated engine controls in IL-2 but not in BOB II.

You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it. I am sure some day A2A will release a superb combat sim, but BOB II is not it. One thing that particularly puts me off is the less-than-crisp representation of the aircraft---as a modeler I find their lack of detail laughable.

tagTaken2
09-14-2008, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by zardozid:
I wanted to give it a try...so I loaded it onto my computer, patched it up, and started to play...

I had one big problem that I could NEVER fix... The view system. I have TrackIR w/6DOF so I was really excited about using the system in-game, but I could never get it to work smoothly. I tried every setting and profile tweak that I could think of but still I got a very "jerky" view. My "in-game" view was nothing like what you see in the 6DOF video demonstrations for the game... I even tried lowering all my game settings to basic/low/sp**** because I thought that maybe I had a cpu "bottleneck" but it didn't help at all.

I want to try the game again but the view was so jerky that it killed my enjoyment "big-time".

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

This is exactly what happened to me the other day.

Would be good to combine the two. BoB is worth trying just for the human AI experience and FM feels a little 'better' than Il-2.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by ytareh:
I have installed and tried to get into BOB2WOV at least 4 or 5 times and I just cant!From the very beginning I cant even find the key settings easy to input...And why does my Track IR view seem to float around (no its not the 6dof!!!)Sure it has some good features and it is more immersive but it simply cant compete with IL2...OK so we moan a bit here but we all know who makes the best flight sim bar none!!!

well since you can't even use it right now how can you make that judgement? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sign up over here and they will straighen you right out and maybe you will get to try it for yourself.

http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=42&...1340039391e1eb6989a8 (http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=42&sid=a50945f2dbad1340039391e1eb6989a8)

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Il-2 is more of a game IMO.

You have got to be kidding. The flight modeling in IL-2 is so superior there is no contest. The engine management is far superior in IL-2. For example, the 110C has the automated engine controls in IL-2 but not in BOB II.

You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it. I am sure some day A2A will release a superb combat sim, but BOB II is not it. One thing that particularly puts me off is the less-than-crisp representation of the aircraft---as a modeler I find their lack of detail laughable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I am not. I fly both games alterately and the planes in il-2 imo are much too arcadie/look arcadie and are way to easy to yank around and fly any old way you like sad to say. When I had a nice MSff stick bob did an excellent "shuttering effect" with the 109 e near stall. The 109 e in Il-2 I can fly about any old way and never have it happen unless I am really totally purposely over the top mishandling it. I also can loop il-2 planes all day long with enough power but not bob. I can also adjust the Fm's exactly the way I like to be more realistic to what I know historically about the aircraft I fly. Can you? Apparently not. Don't even gettong me going about Il-2's ai. Anyone who says it is just as good and is a "ardent bob fan" is full of it and knows it.

Leitmov.
"You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it"

Really? How come I have never seen you over at the forums ever? Not to load any recent patches or ask questions or anything whatsoever. "Ardent" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif In fact all you ardent bob dissers are rarily if ever there that I have ever noticed. Especially since I joined which was a long while back. With all the new upgrades the game isn't at all what it use to be whatsoever. I am sure you will disagree being such ardent fans though.

I am sure you gave up on it a long while back when these upgrades weren't around. I am also just as sure you will deny this as well but as I said I never have seen you there or if you have it was to just do it to bash a really good game it as you do here.

I don't believe any true BOB 2 "ardent fan" would just drop BOB for Il-2. Ain't going to happen. Maybe in it's older less progressed state which it was at one time. That I can see totally but as I said you will surely deny this. Every day new improvements come out that effect the game in very positive ways but as you said you gave up on BOB being such an ardent bob fan and choose to use il-2 all the time instead. That was a wise choice for all of us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

panther3485
09-14-2008, 08:01 AM
I've had BoB2 WoV for a while now, without playing it (got it as a gift and never really got around to it). About six weeks ago I installed it and then downloaded and installed the v2.08 update.

All I've managed to get so far is CTDs not long after the game starts. Not too sure what's causing it. I wouldn't mind getting into BoB2 because it looks alright. And no, I'm unlikely to 'prefer' it to IL-2 but no law says you have to restrict yourself to one sim. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sooner or later, I'll surely solve the CTD probelm????? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
I've had BoB2 WoV for a while now, without playing it (got it as a gift and never really got around to it). About six weeks ago I installed it and then downloaded and installed the v2.08 update.

All I've managed to get so far is CTDs not long after the game starts. Not too sure what's causing it. I wouldn't mind getting into BoB2 because it looks alright. And no, I'm unlikely to 'prefer' it to IL-2 but no law says you have to restrict yourself to one sim. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sooner or later, I'll surely solve the CTD probelm????? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Buddye is the man to talk to over at shockwave buddy. I am very sure he can iron it out for you. The guys over at the forum are a wonderful bunch who will really go the extra mile for you believe me. You sound like your just the kind of person that would get a real lot out of bob. A real historical nut like I am. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
09-14-2008, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Il-2 is more of a game IMO.

You have got to be kidding. The flight modeling in IL-2 is so superior there is no contest. The engine management is far superior in IL-2. For example, the 110C has the automated engine controls in IL-2 but not in BOB II.

You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it. I am sure some day A2A will release a superb combat sim, but BOB II is not it. One thing that particularly puts me off is the less-than-crisp representation of the aircraft---as a modeler I find their lack of detail laughable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I am not. I fly both games alterately and the planes in il-2 imo are much too arcadie/look arcadie and are way to easy to yank around and fly any old way you like sad to say. When I had a nice MSff stick bob did an excellent "shuttering effect" with the 109 e near stall. The 109 e in Il-2 I can fly about any old way and never have it happen unless I am really totally purposely over the top mishandling it. I also can loop il-2 planes all day long with enough power but not bob. I can also adjust the Fm's exactly the way I like to be more realistic to what I know historically about the aircraft I fly. Can you? Apparently not. Don't even gettong me going about Il-2's ai. Anyone who says it is just as good and is a "ardent bob fan" is full of it and knows it.

Leitmov.
"You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it"

Really? How come I have never seen you over at the forums ever? Not to load any recent patches or ask questions or anything whatsoever. "Ardent" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif In fact all you ardent bob dissers are rarily if ever there that I have ever noticed. Especially since I joined which was a long while back. With all the new upgrades the game isn't at all what it use to be whatsoever. I am sure you will disagree being such ardent fans though.

I am sure you gave up on it a long while back when these upgrades weren't around. I am also just as sure you will deny this as well but as I said I never have seen you there or if you have it was to just do it to bash a really good game it as you do here.

I don't believe any true BOB 2 "ardent fan" would just drop BOB for Il-2. Ain't going to happen. Maybe in it's older less progressed state which it was at one time. That I can see totally but as I said you will surely deny this. Every day new improvements come out that effect the game in very positive ways but as you said you gave up on BOB being such an ardent bob fan and choose to use il-2 all the time instead. That was a wise choice for all of us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Relax, I don't use the same name there (use "stapme!"), and I never found the BOB II forum interesting enough for non-essential posting. I was invited to be a tester (which I was never able to do because of time constraints)---so the powers-that-be were impressed by my interest in the game.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 08:24 AM
You may want to try this free program out buddy if you have Norton's products installed. Norton's ruins bob believe me! Absolutely get rid of Nortons and deleate all it files!

http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition...ncol&cdlPid=10879308 (http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10625067.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10879308)

also a really good cpu and video card are needed for Bob. Much more then for Il-2

No on-board video cards!

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Il-2 is more of a game IMO.

You have got to be kidding. The flight modeling in IL-2 is so superior there is no contest. The engine management is far superior in IL-2. For example, the 110C has the automated engine controls in IL-2 but not in BOB II.

You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it. I am sure some day A2A will release a superb combat sim, but BOB II is not it. One thing that particularly puts me off is the less-than-crisp representation of the aircraft---as a modeler I find their lack of detail laughable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I am not. I fly both games alterately and the planes in il-2 imo are much too arcadie/look arcadie and are way to easy to yank around and fly any old way you like sad to say. When I had a nice MSff stick bob did an excellent "shuttering effect" with the 109 e near stall. The 109 e in Il-2 I can fly about any old way and never have it happen unless I am really totally purposely over the top mishandling it. I also can loop il-2 planes all day long with enough power but not bob. I can also adjust the Fm's exactly the way I like to be more realistic to what I know historically about the aircraft I fly. Can you? Apparently not. Don't even gettong me going about Il-2's ai. Anyone who says it is just as good and is a "ardent bob fan" is full of it and knows it.

Leitmov.
"You are forgetting I was very ardent for BOB II until I realized it was never going to catch up with IL-2. I used it from practically the day of release until about six months ago when I wearied of it"

Really? How come I have never seen you over at the forums ever? Not to load any recent patches or ask questions or anything whatsoever. "Ardent" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif In fact all you ardent bob dissers are rarily if ever there that I have ever noticed. Especially since I joined which was a long while back. With all the new upgrades the game isn't at all what it use to be whatsoever. I am sure you will disagree being such ardent fans though.

I am sure you gave up on it a long while back when these upgrades weren't around. I am also just as sure you will deny this as well but as I said I never have seen you there or if you have it was to just do it to bash a really good game it as you do here.

I don't believe any true BOB 2 "ardent fan" would just drop BOB for Il-2. Ain't going to happen. Maybe in it's older less progressed state which it was at one time. That I can see totally but as I said you will surely deny this. Every day new improvements come out that effect the game in very positive ways but as you said you gave up on BOB being such an ardent bob fan and choose to use il-2 all the time instead. That was a wise choice for all of us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Relax, I don't use the same name there, and I never found the BOB II forum interesting enough for non-essential posting. I was invited to be a tester (which I was never able to do because of time constraints)---so the powers-that-be were impressed by my interest in the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what name do you use over at shockwave so I know who I am insulting from now on? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hmmm impressed by your interest huh? IME that includes just about everyone there at SW who has the time to do testing.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Gee agent number 2 you don't find it "interesting enough"? That surprises me a lot since all the forum members give constant feedback on improvements to the game they would like and actually get them unlike here. Very little nonsensical jabber goes on from my FME like we have here.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 08:38 AM
Did you say you use the moniker "Stapme" ? That one I would surly have noticed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

being you were/are/not sure, such an ardent fan "stapme" who never found the BOB II forum interesting enough for "non-essential posting" whatever that means, why aren't you in on the semi-recent game improvement suggestions? "Non-esential" huh? Wait you gave up on the game a long while back that's why apparently.

well like you said your better here huh. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 08:48 AM
So you find most your posts "essental" here. Not in my experiance they aren't. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

IME here you can complain and whine with "essental posts" till the cows come home with little results. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 08:58 AM
well, we do have AAA which is making some nice mods. I am more then a bit disappointed with them because no new cockpits are modded though. They are just being shined up a bit. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

New aircraft are as rare as hens teeth and forget any new cockpits. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

and fm changes? Ones that are badly needed. Ai changes? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

leitmotiv
09-14-2008, 12:03 PM
Stalker, your enthusiasm makes you rather a dork for inferior products---what else can be said. As for "stapme!", if you cared to do a search, I was posting re BOB II right after it came out---I was not a late, enthusiastic convert.

steiner562
09-14-2008, 12:16 PM
You wont find a better game to simulate the Battle of Britain than BOBII,and thats with its not so great engine when compared to Il2,but obiviously IL2 has the upperhand in the overall package,I enjoy both.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Stalker, your enthusiasm makes you rather a dork for inferior products---what else can be said. As for "stapme!", if you cared to do a search, I was posting re BOB II right after it came out---I was not a late, enthusiastic convert.

Hmm..inferior products? Well you and I see that a bit differently buddy. I accept a bit of "inferiority" when I find nice features other products don't have. Is is a bit crazy? Yes, cetainly. Il-2 is a much more "polished product" IMO. I really liked the original il-2 much better though. They have seemed to have polished it a bit too much for my tastes with every patch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Btw, I know you weren't a late BOB convert. That I am totally sure of. It is just that you appear to believe that that Bob is like the one that has been reworked so much now. It isn't.

I do know one thing. Your better off with well "polished products" They makes you less angry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by steiner562:
You wont find a better game to simulate the Battle of Britain than BOBII,and thats with its not so great engine when compared to Il2,but obiviously IL2 has the upperhand in the overall package,I enjoy both.

I totally absolutely agree with you buddy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

No reason not to enjoy both. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 12:29 PM
Btw anyone think I am totally crazy liking the original Il-2 more then this one? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ya, I am a nut. I know it already. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

joeap
09-14-2008, 12:30 PM
I wish people would not bring up FM in these discussions, without concrete examples and/or flight experience they are worthless.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 12:32 PM
pretty hard quantifying anything in made up combat flight sims. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now see what you all have done. I will have to reload my original il-2 all again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

well lets see my silly personal fm opinion never having flown a 109 in my life. I really like the "feel" of the bob controls for the 109. With a MSFF stick it was really increadible. With this crummy stick it is still quite good. It aproximates the control feel old Erich Hartman use to describe when flying 109's. Feels like there is stick feedback without the connection to an actual plane and really is nice and progressive as speed builds up. Does this mean much. For me yes. Does it mean much in total. No, I never flew a 109. How do I really know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEXX_Luthor
09-14-2008, 02:05 PM
joeap::
I wish people would not bring up FM in these discussions, without concrete examples and/or flight experience they are worthless.
I don't know about BoB2, but Oleg has in the past disabled his own flight models to "save" online gameplay from itself. As BillFish says, the goal of FB/PF is balanced gameplay.

So much for "quality."

Not that I'm Whining too much, since flight models are irrelevant to air war simulation compared to the importance of the air warfare environment, which has never been modelled in any of The Sims. Now that I can Whine on about all day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
09-14-2008, 04:10 PM
ARe you sure about that Lexx?

I have seen Oleg say himself that the flight models are not 'balanced' for gameplay in IL2 and never have been.

They are made realistic as possible with the knowledge and data he has. They never think 'this plane is a little too good we must tone it down for gameplay reasons.'

joeap
09-14-2008, 04:29 PM
Just don't pay attention Xio. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

steiner562
09-14-2008, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Hey Mike have you ever played these games?
I wonder this also.

LEXX_Luthor
09-14-2008, 07:44 PM
Xalabu::
ARe you sure about that Lexx?
I signed up here during the time of the Trim Wars, which was the first time I saw Oleg drop the ball, big time.

About the game's goal of balanced gameplay, BillFish said it, not Oleg, and refers to attempts to prevent online "cheating," which has always been Oleg's primary goal, even if it requires sacrificing the flight models or their controls.

M_Gunz
09-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

I don't know about BoB2, but Oleg has in the past disabled his own flight models to "save" online gameplay from itself. As BillFish says, the goal of FB/PF is balanced gameplay.

So much for "quality."


Forum conjecture taken as fact, we've come full circle yet again.

SeaFireLIV
09-14-2008, 08:12 PM
BOBWOV is an EXCELLENT flight sim, really.

IL2\46 is an EXCELLENT flight sim, really.



It`s unfair to compare them in such a simple fashion. It`s unfair to say it`s rubbish because there`s no online component. Totally unfair. So far, no one seems to have made an unbiased review of both games. Why? Why can`t people just be straight and honest and just TRY both games objectively? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif Such is the Human race.


Here`s an honest comparison of both games:

IL2:

GRAPHICS

1. Excellent aircraft graphics. Very clear. It`s really nice to fly close to wingmen and see clear detail or overshoot an He111 and clearly see the pilots within. You can see the rivets.

2. Ground is also very good. Perhaps a little bare sometimes, but settings can be tweaked up. Cities (like Leningrad) are a site to behold and I`ve landed on its streets a few times. Buildings are all there in clear realistic 3Dness. The forests look great high up, but are not so good low because of the way they become invisible when level to them. There are some bunches of normal trees that on Forest-3 look really great low.

3. Fire and smoke effects are very nice. Smoke suffers from being too wispy, even in mods.

4. Clouds, in my view are great, though default is not entirely realistic. Water is very good indeed for such an old sim (rivals SFX on highest setting).

5. Lots of differeing weather conditions, especially thunder storms.

Sound?

Sound are functional in default. But aircraft engines really don`t do much. Guns don`t quite have the punch I feel they should have. I16 mgs sound like gushing water. However, bumping up the bass in your sound in Windows helps. Or a Mod, I guess, which does transform the sounds in IL2.


Collision Detection.

Collision detection is, imho, excellent. You can skim past bombers within a hair`s breath in your Spitfire BOB style or tap a slow moving bomber wingtip with your I16 wingtip, taking it down, as I have done. Very nice.



Flight models, flying:

Can`t say too much, cos I`m no expert, but they seem pretty realistic. From what I`ve heard they may be unrealistic in that there isn`t enough torque to aircraft and standard spin recovery does seem a little easy. I`ve seen aircraft online recover from spins at very low levels where it sems they should have crashed. Anyway, it feels a little easier than BOBWOV to me.

Damage Modelling:

Damage modelling cannot be beat by ANY sim. It`s one of the things that hooked me to IL2. I was always annoyed in the early days at how nothing fell apart realistic when hit or how planes always went down in basically 3 ways. IL2 changed this forever: Wings damaged and breaking off in several parts, various damages to differing parts of aircraft and even engine all resulting in different kinds of plane problems.

No other sim has yet succeeded in allowing you, and even AI, to hit the ground in a smoky crashlanding, roll several times, losing wing, gears and other bits, yet to still survive in your dying aircraft, to leap out and run just before it catches fire and explodes! Priceless.

And there are so many variations of plane problems that are still being discovered even after 7 years!

Artificial Intelligence?

This is open to much discussion and the AI is easily scapegoated often where the player doesn`t understand. AI does a pretty good imho. Ai friendlies will fly and fight with you and attempt to cover you if they can. Enemy AI are very good at working in teams and will try to `drag and bag` - always check your six.

AI dogfight moves are limited but have improved greatly since the early days, no longer do AI 109s turn with your Hurri all the time. They`ll extend, get height and return, or run if overwhelmed sometimes.

Some complain of AI kill-stealing and not differentiating between a finished plane and a dangerous live one and this is true. However, this, to me is not constant and I am always happy if our side win overall. Online, I`ve had Humans act just like this, which irks me more.

Aircraft variety.

Well, what can I say? IL2 pilots are spoiled - badly. There must be at least 100 aircraft to choose from or nearly that. All with differing characteristics and looks. Yet we still ask for more!

Immersion.

A very immersive sim with AI calls and the action can get very frentic, except that sometimes the world will seem a little lifeless in single-player due to fewer aircraft than in reality and comms don`t really do that much to immerse you. Utilities, do a lot to rectify this, like DCG for example.

Online?

Yep. Many people prefer to play online, though I still enjoy offline myself.



Historical Education?

I thought I`d put this bit in cos it`s interesting to note that while IL2 is not precisely an historical reference tool it has still taught many of us things that we were ignorant of. IL2? I16? La5? A6M3? HS129? Mistel? B239? Lerch? (actually forget the Lerch!)...

I never even knew what these designations were let alone their existence as prominent fighting aircraft! IL2\1946 deserves a medal alone for just educating us to these things and getting us interested in checking the history books!



BOBWings of Victory (BOBII).

Graphics:

If you`ve come from IL2 as I did. Graphics will seem a little strange. Perhaps even a little `lite`.

1. After a while (1 or 2 missions), you`ll realise that the washed out look is simple the graphic designer`s interpretation of the world of WW2 aircraft. A bit like looking at another artist`s work of the same picture. It`s not as distinct or `clean` as IL2, but then I`ve always felt that IL2 aircraft looked a little too clear, a little too pristinely clean, shining every where they go.

Once you get used to the palette, you realise just how good the graphics actually are, especially for what they need to do.

Unfortunately, it`s not as easy to see the `rivets` as with IL2 and good luck on seeing the pilots clearly in the He111.

2. Through successive patches, the ground has improved greatly with more detailed textures, buildings and ground units plus men. Forests are blocks, but at least there`s no danger of them being `invisible`. Realistic representations of England are extremely well done, allowing you to fight and fly over some of your favourite landmarks. Still not quite as crisp as IL2 land, but it does feel more real in many areas. But maybe I`m biased being a Brit and never seeing Russian land. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

3. Fire and smoke effects are excellent and overall win out against IL2. Fire may not be quite as bright as IL2 (should they be?), but they follow realistically behind aircraft, sometimes `puffing` with the engine. Smoke streams in differing greys behind.

The effects really shine on ground attacks though. In one case, I marvelled while flying after bombers that had just shed their load. As I watched, realistic flashes of explosions tracked their way towards the hapless friendly airfield until hitting the field itself. Then an enormous plume of smoke rose to where I was flying, 15-20000 feet high! You don`t get that in IL2. Very immersive.

4. Clouds are very well done in BOBII with varying layers through out the sky. Bombers can appear then be lost, to just re-appear. I used to use the clouds to get away from enemy 109s sometimes... although I`ve been told that AI can see thru clouds (they used to say they could not!) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Anyway, it`s more real than IL2.

Water, is much better than previous incarnations, but is not a patch on IL2. It really still looks like plastic shiny sheeting to me. Sorry, guys.

5. Plenty of weather conditions. haven`t seen any thunder storms yet.

Sounds?

Sound in BOBWOV are imho better than default sound in IL2. The Spits and Hurricanes sound great. Your plane creaks under stress. You even hear your pilot huffing and puffing when strained under high gs.


Collision Detection.

Hmmm. Better than in previous patches, but still ropey. No slipping between bombers or tipping wings because you`ll just go boom. Most people just switch off colLision detection which I just can`t/won`t do. Pity about this.

Flight Models.

Again, I ain`t no expert, but in my first forays, I found the Spitfire in BOBWOV harder to take off, it had much more torque, which I liked because it took real care to get airborne. This has since been lessened in the latest incarnations, which I`m not sure was a great idea... Still harder than IL2 though.

Very hard to tell how realistic flight models are and I simply haven`t studied enough books on the subject. All I can say is it`s slightly harder than IL2 in that I`ll stall the spit when pushed by the tough AI. In IL2 it doesn`t happen much. It`s much easier to jam the flaps in WOV than in IL2.

Not flown the 109 enough to see what it`s like compared to IL2`s.

Damage Modelling:

Very little really. Parts of bomber wings do fall off. You can crashland your Spit in a basic way. enemy airplanes don`t suffer from the detail of damage but more like a percntage of what will happen if hit enough. But it does still come with a variety of aircraft effects. But still very small compared to IL2.


Artificial Intelligence.

AI is very well done in BOBwov and is arguably the best of any sim. the AI seems to have an everlasting list of moves and tactics depending on what`s happening. they even have a `delay` mode if you hit them by surprise on their 6 which I really like. They`ll seriously push your Spit to the limit and get 2 or more on you and you`re in for a serious fight. In some of these dogfights I`ve finished a battle with a tired arm and feeling like I`ve had a mini workout - especially with the Sidewinder FF on strong settings. By the way FF is extremely well done and matches the response on aircraft perfectly.

It can be a true battle of endurance.

Aircraft variety.

Not much. Around 4 aircraft I believe. All of which are well-known.

Immersion:

BOBWOV has it in bucket loads. Get in an aircraft at the start of the campaign and you won`t see much at first, maybe a scout bomber doing a recce. Later, Stukas appear that aren`t too difficult to shoot down IF they`re alone.

then you get the heavier bombers and escortsas Goering starts squeezing and when you come across your first 100+ aircraft plus escorts then you will feel almost useless. You don`t have enough bullets for all those bombers. You attack anyway, then the fighters attack. The airwaves are filled with calls and commands and Squadron leader talking to Squadron leader.

Eventually you limp home, while the battle rages not just over head, but in three, maybe four different areas of sky of hundreds of aircraft fighting. Smoke litters the ground, buildings burn.

The sim boasts a massive number of aircraft in the sky at once, with fighting, dying, everything that IL2, cannot match... well, technically it can, if you have a computer from NASA, otherwise, forget it.

Online?

None, zero, zilch.
This does not make it a bad sim, just not for people who just must be online no matter what.


Historical education:

Actually, this won`t teach you about new planes, but it will teach you how the Battle of Britain was basically fought, especially if you fly the Command mode, but even in the Single Player mode it maks you realise how those in Command had to deal with the onslaught and divide their time efficiently.

As a pilot, it teaches you how bewildering it must have been as 12 of you dive on 100 + bombers with escorts or more, then having to do it again and again, with morale dwindling. It seems like suicide, but someone had to do it and the Few did.

Hmmm. That was long.

LEXX_Luthor
09-14-2008, 08:30 PM
SeaFire::
Collision Detection.

Hmmm. Better than in previous patches, but still ropey. No slipping between bombers or tipping wings because you`ll just go boom. Most people just switch off colLision detection which I just can`t/won`t do. Pity about this.
And the great AI, do they collide?



Actually, this won`t teach you about new planes,...
I guess not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Oleg does have that covered as for planesets. The Sims cannot teach, but they can generate interest in learning.

I'd say the greatest complaint about BoB2 in this "stalkervision" thread is technically getting it to work, especially in the past, but if that's done, it seems people like it. The easier setting up is for the customers, the better for sales.

Here, I sorely missed the original I-16 game loading screen. That should never have been replaced.

SeaFireLIV
09-14-2008, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

And the great AI, do they collide?


.

In BOBwov, I`ve never seen them collide. But I cannot say for sure that they don`t.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 09:06 PM
Quite a while ago collision boxes were improved to a very fine degree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bob always has a whole lot of people who try to run it with the on board video card or an older computer. They believe because it is an older game that that will do. They always get P.O.ed when eveyone on the site tries to explain very nicely that it won't work. We also have a lot of Norton users that hate giving up on Norton's antovirus because they paid for it already. Norton's and bob don't mix.

I was once in both these catagories till I got rid of Norton's and got a much better computer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

LEXX_Luthor
09-14-2008, 09:07 PM
SeaFire::
In BOBwov, I`ve never seen them collide. But I cannot say for sure that they don`t.
Right, that's one way to get alot of planes in the air, one I have no problem with. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Smileys/thumbs.gif

In FB, I used to make very large and complex bomber formations using the Escort function and judicious creation of form up waypoints -- up to 27 bombers in one single formation, from individual takeoff to target to landing one after the other. But about 20 to 50 percent of the bombers would be destroyed in collisions as they try to form up with their normal flights inside the larger formation, the death rate depending on Escort SET method. There is NO choice to turn off AI collisions so building reasonably tight large dynamic formations is not possible.

stalkervision
09-14-2008, 09:20 PM
Right now buddye has made the ack ack to da-mn realistic. It now curls my innards up inside going through a heavy flak barrage. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8387/bobshot0191wi7.jpg

hate to tell you what the radius of those burst are before you are toast. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

jannaspookie
09-15-2008, 01:24 AM
Jeez! Do you work for Shockwave stalker? I think by now that we all understand how much you like WOV. You sound like an evangelical missionary.

JG52Uther
09-15-2008, 02:15 AM
I am so used to il2 I just cannot get into BoB/WoV at all.I have had it on my hard drive for ages,all patched up,but I simply hate the control/key assignments,and even the very rare game crash drives me mad.I never have problems with il2.I start it up and it just works.I have every respect for the guys who are developing BoB/WoV and I am sure if I was to spend time with it I would enjoy it,but for now,I am happy enough with il2 modded and Canon's BoB map.

rhinomonkey
09-15-2008, 03:48 AM
I fly both and enjoy both for different reasons. BOB in my limited opinion has a more realistic FM and better cockpit graphics, better sounds. The AI is lightyears ahead of IL2.

On the bad side the landscape needs serious work and the merlin engine is still buggy. It only has 5 flyable a/c at the moment. the campaign, despite being really good and immersive, is very difficult to get into, and can be buggy. Allthough the single player campaign kind of addresses that.

I am 100 offline player so for me BOB wins but i do love the sheer volume of maps and flyable planes in IL2. Just wish the enemy ai were more realistic. Also think that the 3d engine, lighting, aspects of the damage representation system and the general feel of the physics in il2 wins.

I just wish there were as many people working on mods for bob as there are for IL2. it has the potential to be amazing.

panther3485
09-15-2008, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
You may want to try this free program out buddy if you have Norton's products installed. Norton's ruins bob believe me! Absolutely get rid of Nortons and deleate all it files!

http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition...ncol&cdlPid=10879308 (http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10625067.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10879308)

also a really good cpu and video card are needed for Bob. Much more then for Il-2

No on-board video cards!

Thanks mate (assume it's still me you were talkig to). As regards Norton, I stand guilty as charged since Norton SystemWorks (which includes Norton AntiVirus) is installed on my system. Would it be enough to simply shut Norton down while I'm playing BoB2, rather than having to uninstall it altogether?

As for CPU and video card, I have the following:

Intel Core2 Duo E6750 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 4 MB L2 cache

ASUS EN8600GT (GeForce) HDTV-Out Dual DVI 256 MB DDR3

My system seems to have no trouble running any of the games or sims I want to play. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GregGal
09-15-2008, 04:56 AM
I play both. Nowdays I prefer the modded il2 with the new BoB map, but still, I go back and fly BoB2 very often. The AI and the single pilot campaign is so immersive...il2 is nowhere in the same zip code in these 2. I wish we could merge the 2 gameshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
09-15-2008, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
You may want to try this free program out buddy if you have Norton's products installed. Norton's ruins bob believe me! Absolutely get rid of Nortons and deleate all it files!

http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition...ncol&cdlPid=10879308 (http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10625067.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10879308)

also a really good cpu and video card are needed for Bob. Much more then for Il-2

No on-board video cards!

Thanks mate (assume it's still me you were talkig to). As regards Norton, I stand guilty as charged since Norton SystemWorks (which includes Norton AntiVirus) is installed on my system. Would it be enough to simply shut Norton down while I'm playing BoB2, rather than having to uninstall it altogether?

As for CPU and video card, I have the following:

Intel Core2 Duo E6750 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 4 MB L2 cache

ASUS EN8600GT (GeForce) HDTV-Out Dual DVI 256 MB DDR3

My system seems to have no trouble running any of the games or sims I want to play. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

your system is adsolute peach for Bob panther meaning it will run great. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Get rid of Norton's though. You will have no end of trouble with it and Bob. Shutting Norton's down tempoarily doesn't seem to work either sad to say.

Cnet has a bunch of nice free downloadable antivirus software. Much better then Norton's in fact. I use PC tools antivirus software but some like the avast program for bob. They are upgraded for free constantly too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition...ncol&cdlPid=10879308 (http://www.download.com/PC-Tools-AntiVirus-Free-Edition/3000-2239_4-10625067.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10879308)

You may want to upgrade your video card though a little bit buddy. I am not totally sure of this because BOB seems to use the computers cpu a lot more then the video card and your cpu is top notch. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

panther3485
09-15-2008, 05:59 AM
I'm very much an Nvidia man when it comes to video cards. What would you recommend, that gives good 'bang for the buck' value (not too expensive)?

stalkervision
09-15-2008, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
I'm very much an Nvidia man when it comes to video cards. What would you recommend, that gives good 'bang for the buck' value (not too expensive)?

I use Nvidia too and it works great. I have a BFG tech 8800 gt card that works quite well. It is overclocked at the factory and has a total lifetime warrenty. I believe because it isn't the newest Nvidia card anymore you can get it pretty cheap now. Just a short time ago it was going for a whole lot more when I bought mine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

with a upgraded Nvidia card and that cpu you got the game should cook for you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I am looking to upgrade my amd twin core processor now. It's a bit too slow in heavy formation action. Damn I wish I had bought an Intel twin core cpu at the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

panther3485
09-15-2008, 08:02 AM
My local dealer has the following for A$250.00 (not sure what it would equate to in US$):

8800GT 1GB PCI-E2 Asus [EN8800GT-HTDP-1GB/A] Graphics Card, DDR3 HDTV,2xDVI-I,HDCP

He also has 9800GT video cards quite a bit cheaper, for example at A$175.00:

9800GT 512MB PCI-E2 Gigabyte [GV-N98TZL-512H] Graphics Card, GDDR3 256bit TV-OUT DVI-I HDMI-adapter

Is PCI-E2 compatible with PCI-E ?

stalkervision
09-15-2008, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by panther3485:
My local dealer has the following for A$250.00 (not sure what it would equate to in US$):

8800GT 1GB PCI-E2 Asus [EN8800GT-HTDP-1GB/A] Graphics Card, DDR3 HDTV,2xDVI-I,HDCP

He also has 9800GT video cards quite a bit cheaper, for example at A$175.00:

9800GT 512MB PCI-E2 Gigabyte [GV-N98TZL-512H] Graphics Card, GDDR3 256bit TV-OUT DVI-I HDMI-adapter

Is PCI-E2 compatible with PCI-E ?

Holy Sh-t one GB! WOW!

Pcie 1 or 2 good question! I believe both will work.

Here is an excellent site to sort this all out. This link gives you the lowdown on the best video cards for the money right now. I would go with a BfG video card though if you can because I have had to many cards burn out without any warrenty.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Best-Graphics-Card,2011.html

panther3485
09-15-2008, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Holy Sh-t one GB! WOW!

Pcie 1 or 2 good question! I believe both will work.

Here is an excellent site to sort this all out. This link gives you the lowdown on the best video cards for the money right now. I would go with a BfG video card though if you can because I have had to many cards burn out without any warrenty.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Best-Graphics-Card,2011.html
Thanks. I don't think I should have to worry about warranty too much - at least, not if my experience so far is anything to go by. I have used a lot of different video cards over the last eight years and never once had one 'burn out' on me. Worst I've ever had was cooling fan bearing failure on one card (still worked but slower and very noisy), so I removed the fan, which surprisingly didn't result in burn out; but this was in a family member's computer and they weren't going to 'push' the system much. I build my own systems (for self, as well as family and some friends) and I'm always careful about cooling airflow. Also, I never overclock. Any performance I can't get in standard config I don't bother with. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
09-15-2008, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by panther3485:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Holy Sh-t one GB! WOW!

Pcie 1 or 2 good question! I believe both will work.

Here is an excellent site to sort this all out. This link gives you the lowdown on the best video cards for the money right now. I would go with a BfG video card though if you can because I have had to many cards burn out without any warrenty.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Best-Graphics-Card,2011.html
Thanks. I don't think I should have to worry about warranty too much - at least, not if my experience so far is anything to go by. I have used a lot of different video cards over the last eight years and never once had one 'burn out' on me. Worst I've ever had was cooling fan bearing failure on one card (still worked but slower and very noisy), so I removed the fan, which surprisingly didn't result in burn out; but this was in a family member's computer and they weren't going to 'push' the system much. I build my own systems (for self, as well as family and some friends) and I'm always careful about cooling airflow. Also, I never overclock. Any performance I can't get in standard config I don't bother with. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Overclocking is a risky venture. It's smart you don't do it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
09-15-2008, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Xalabu:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">ARe you sure about that Lexx?
I signed up here during the time of the Trim Wars, which was the first time I saw Oleg drop the ball, big time.

About the game's goal of balanced gameplay, BillFish said it, not Oleg, and refers to attempts to prevent online "cheating," which has always been Oleg's primary goal, even if it requires sacrificing the flight models or their controls. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

pssst 'zio - la - blue' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

RED_BEAR8
09-15-2008, 08:00 PM
I like the game alot the only problem i see is that i did not have multiplayer on it but the game is terrific using trackir with it.

It is nice.

Chivas
09-15-2008, 09:24 PM
I understood that the trim speed was turned down in IL-2 so the person using the keyboard could trim is aircraft as fast as someone with trim on a slider.

Hardly a big deal or dropping the ball in flight control modelling. You can still trim your aircraft as fast as any trim wheel in an aircraft. I have my trim set on a wheel of my Cougar throttle and it work quite well.

FM is a hard thing to quantify in flight sims, especially aircraft none of us have ever flown, but with all due respect to WOV FM I get a better overall feel of flight in IL-2.