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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 12:06 AM
Hello all,
I am currently in the market for a new joystick.
Well, I possibly am.
I currently have the Sidewinder Precision 2 from Microsoft
which I must say is a great joystick.
It's nice because it's got that little throttle thing, however, I think I'd like to try a HOTAS system?

Can anyone give me some advice on aquiring a new one, i.e.
which ones are good/bad and why?
Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 12:06 AM
Hello all,
I am currently in the market for a new joystick.
Well, I possibly am.
I currently have the Sidewinder Precision 2 from Microsoft
which I must say is a great joystick.
It's nice because it's got that little throttle thing, however, I think I'd like to try a HOTAS system?

Can anyone give me some advice on aquiring a new one, i.e.
which ones are good/bad and why?
Thanks!

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 12:11 AM
I've a Thrustmaster Top Gun Fox2 Pro SHOCK that I'm very happy with. I've also got a pair of CH Pro USB Pedals, ad I'll add a CH Pro USB Throttle when I next have enough cash saved up. That way I'll get two sliders, one on my joystick for prop pitch, and the CH throttle. I think it's a good setup, and I'd recommend it to you.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
10-01-2003, 12:26 AM
Cougar HOTAS from Thrustmaster is said to be quite good. You just have to pay 300$ and you should invest another 200$ to make it work without problems. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

On the other hand, there is the X45, a nice HOTAS with rudder for 70-90$.

The alternative for me is the CH Products HOTAS. It's VERY reliable (Using my old Gameport Fighterstick+Throttle for 8 years+, now). The newer USB-Versions will cost you less than 300$ and you can buy the stick, then the throttle and maybe add rudder later on. Especially good offer if you have a life beyond flightsims /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 12:45 AM
I have a wingman Force 3D. I got it at wal-mart for $50 and I like it a lot. It has HOTAS through it's software 8 way hat switch, throttle slider, twist rudder, and 7 buttons. Program 1 as a shift buttong and you have 12 buttons.

It's force feedback which is IMHO a necessity for FB. Although the twist rudder does work a little loose in the center. You just adjust a slight dead zone to fix that. Basically a little pressure left or right, and it moves the rudder. It's not really a problem and I haven't even bothered to set a dead zone.

Other than that it calibrates well and has yet to come un calibrated. It feels very good to the hand as well.

The only bad thing is although it's USB and also has a power supply for the force feedback. However at 100% force setup it will try to snatch the stick right out of your hands.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 12:58 AM
Got an X45 myself - the rudder is a toggle switch (dont use it = terrible) - the stick has a distinct x-y feeling to it - it looks IMHO cheap - but still its a great HOTAS
Because i was used to the swivel stick rudder though i reconnected my wingman strike force 3d besides it LOL it works....

secondary commands i now have on the saitek stick hehe

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 03:56 AM
I agree with the Logitech extreme force feedback 3D for price and quility, good stick for the price and you cannot live without force feedback, I've downloaded several variations of FF files for different effects, one is very good from "Mudmovers" with very strong gunnery effects.

My big recommendation is what I am doing now, if you are adventerous, I took apart another stick and am building rudder pedals from a mini stair master and have a yoke I made from aluminum piping, am using all the electronics from the original stick and rewiring trigger switches, using the existing potentiometer for the rudder interface and other existing buttons, trottle made with old boat motor throttle. Its starting to look and feel like a real plane, throttle pedals from CH are $150.00, but you really need them for realism.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:38 AM
I use an X45 and a MSFFB combo..... great set up.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:42 AM
I just picked up a thrustmaster topgun afterburner 2. Great HOTAS for the money, only 90 bucks canadian. I would have gone with the x45, but i would have had to special order it and i hear the hats break very often so i would have had to send it to the states every few months.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:49 AM
psychopetey is there a link to a page where it shows you how to do that stuff? I would never pay $150 for rudder pedals, but would definitely rip apart a cheap-o joystick, and make my own.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:54 AM
Hopperfly22 wrote:
- psychopetey is there a link to a page where it shows
- you how to do that stuff? I would never pay $150
- for rudder pedals, but would definitely rip apart a
- cheap-o joystick, and make my own.
-

Why pay $150? http://www.provantage.com/buy-110CHPU-ch-shopping.htm
When I ordered my pedals on a Saturday they were at my door on Tuesday.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:02 PM
Get a MS Force Feedback2, you will see how much even more precision you can get in aircraft's handling.

I have a X36 HOTAS, but I rarely uses it. Because it has no on stick rudder. It's so odd to flight and aim with rudder on throttle unit.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 04:37 PM
Is there any other joystick with as many functions as X45?

I'm addicted to these but it definitely isn't that strong.

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 07:17 PM
Don't get a Microsoft Precision 2 or Logitech Wingman Extreme. I've owned both and both were crap. I still have the Microsoft joystick and have to reinstall drivers every couple of weeks. The rudder went on the the Wingman after about 2 months of use. Screw that, I still haven't found a joystick I like.