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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:37 PM
when will it be available?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:37 PM
when will it be available?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:41 PM
Uhhh, January, maybe. Maybe "two weeks" after January.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:43 PM
From what I understand in January with paid add-on. Can't wait to fly her, she has the best armament combo of any propeller driven WWII plane IMHO.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:39 AM
well we know we are getting the H version but its the C version i want the extra 2 -20mm on the engine cowling are nice /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 01:02 AM
They forgot to tell you it won't be free.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:05 AM
who forgot to say it wasent free buzz? comes out in paid add on january

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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 01:09 AM
Everybody in this thread Mike. Who do you think I was talking about?

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:13 AM
ok buzz ya got me i thought you were talking 1c/ian/oleg etc i stand corrected

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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 01:14 AM
Being right is so much fun../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:16 AM
buzz how come i feel like i was set up /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 01:19 AM
Buzz shuffles off whistling......

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:38 AM
Buzzkill (pun intented) Buzz the second reply in this post said paid add-on, so you were wrong.

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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 04:59 AM
I know,but I had him bluffed until you cramped (pun intended) my style.

I always have a nice day. Sorry your disappointed.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:35 AM
oh you guys .....

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:46 AM
pfffffffffffffffffffffffft..S! buzz u http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Message Edited on 10/06/0309:47PM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:06 AM
Trust me I am in no way disappointed, and Tenmmike did you spring a leak?

I guess mine hit the ceiling as well, no one can join in your tomfoolery ah well.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:57 PM
I believe that I read somewhere that the sighting view on the TA 152 will be different than the standard FB in game 190. Does anybody know if that is accurate(this is only a question pertaining to the 152, not to start up another 190 thread)?

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 11:26 PM
what are the difference between the 190D and TA152

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:38 AM
engines, wings that kind of thing.

Was that Ta152 very slow at low level?

Can we have a 152 whiners thread please?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:42 AM
Let's put it this way.

The Ta-152H is a great plane, but frankly, no reason to choose it over the Fw190D-9 at altitudes under 8k. The Fw190D-9 does everything better except firepower, turn, dive, and out last(longer flight duration of Ta)


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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:46 AM
a high level plane and until and if the high level FM is sorted out, an anomaly.

Shame, as potentially the best of its type in the war.



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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:59 AM
The Ta 152 C was longer than the Dora and had a DB600something engine instead of the Jumo 213. It also had better armament, with 4 20mm guns and one Mk108 generally speaking (although many versions were planned). It also had different wings and other different stuff. Only a handful were built, and it's not likely it saw any action.

The Ta 152 H was equipped with the Jumo 213 engine like the Dora. It had armament similar to the D12 IIRC (1 30mm Mk108 and 2 20mm Mg151/20), It was also lenghtened, had redesigned wings that were very long and designed for extreme high altitudes. It had a pressurized cabin too.

More or less they were redesigned/improved Fw190. It was more of a more radical competitor from the Fw190D, and actually the Ta 152 A which was not put in production already had performance similar to a Dora in late 1943 and was ready for production back then, but the *******es who commanded didn't want to lose factory efficiency by changing the plane design, and wanted to wait to see how the Me 209 would do before choosing. The Me 209 was a flop and the Dora came up. Ta 152 A and B never were produced and eventually the C and H version came up, but too late.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:55 AM
So you say.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:56 AM
I am 100% sure it will be December this year

thats of course at the new air museum in Dulles, Virginia, scheduled to open that time


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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:59 AM
MGallun74 wrote:
- when will it be available?

Right after they finish the TA151 and just before they start on the TA153



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:33 PM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- a high level plane and until and if the high level
- FM is sorted out, an anomaly.


I believe the Ta 152H will do better down low than the Fw 190A/D. Simply because it can turn and climb very well. Its low level topspeed is still 598km/h with MW50, so it's no slouch. The D-9 might be slightly faster topping 622km/h(RL numbers, not FB), but I believe the many D-9 pilot's will have no problems changing to the Ta 152.
Remember that the Ta 152 never saw high alt combat in real life. It was only used at medium to low altitudes, and it was very successfull!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

All the speeds are from original sharts printed in the book, "Focke-Wulf, Fw 190 "Long Nose", An Illustrated history of the Fw 190D series"

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:12 PM
Thrawn888 wrote:
- well we know we are getting the H version but its
- the C version i want the extra 2 -20mm on the engine
- cowling are nice

Not really...

They're in the wings - like FW-190A-8. But an 90rpg MK 108 in the nose instead of 2 MG 131.

The H series doesn't have the outer guns, just like D-9. It's special because of those larger wings and it's MW-50 + GM-1 boost. It's good at all alts, and especially on the deck it turns like hell. Oleg himself said it's capable of 17secs sustained turn for 360? on the deck and ~17,9secs or so at 1000m. That's in the range of La-7 and the best turnfighter the Germans will have then (109F: 18-19secs). But the roll rate isn't that good anymore, anyway it should be enough.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 06:03 PM
Willey wrote:
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- Thrawn888 wrote:
-- well we know we are getting the H version but its
-- the C version i want the extra 2 -20mm on the engine
-- cowling are nice
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- Not really...
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- They're in the wings - like FW-190A-8. But an 90rpg
- MK 108 in the nose instead of 2 MG 131.


Actually the ta152 C, has 2-20mm (mg151/20) in the wing ROOTS and 2-20mm (mg151/20) on the engine cowling where the A-8/A-9 mg131 CURRENTLY are. AND the mk108 30mm cannon fires through the prop hub.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 06:39 PM
great, cant wait to get it... i have basically given up on the 109s, they just dont have what it takes online to handle the LA7, Yaks and P39??? iam a newbie, its easy to fly but just too slow, i have now taken i liking to the FW109A9, dont turn well, but quick and durable, last night had a P39 and to LA7s taken turns shooting at me, finally got removed by the P39, but i know the current 39 is fake so no biggie, but took them 12 mins to take me out, and only reason was i started to overheat... plus the A9 has a nice punch too it too, i added them gunpods in the wings or something and hit a yak9 with one of them shells and the damn plane blew apart, another time added the rockets.. lol, came up on a TB2, shooooooooosh boooom, millions of pieces, but thats when the LAs and 39 ganged up on me... oh well, i am new, i will learn.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:54 PM
MGallun wrote:
- great, cant wait to get it... i have basically given
- up on the 109s, they just dont have what it takes
- online to handle the LA7, Yaks and P39???

I've found that by taking advantage of the K-4's awesome climbrate there's litteraly nothing that can touch you. Sure the La-7 will stay with you if you're down low, but after 3000 meters there's no way he can even come close to you. The K-4's dive acceleration is good and it's zoom climb can match that of every other fighter. Topspeed at low alt is not as high as the La-7 and it shouldn't be. if you want to outrun something down low you should go for the Fw 190A-9 or D-9. The D-9 is as fast as the La-7 but it should be quite alot faster. Speeds up to 622km/h and even 640 km/h at treetop height was possible in RL with the D-9. In-game topspeed is around 605-610km/h./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 09:40 PM
like i said robban, i have given up on the 109... starting to work on athe A9...
robban75 wrote:
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-- great, cant wait to get it... i have basically given
-- up on the 109s, they just dont have what it takes
-- online to handle the LA7, Yaks and P39???
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- I've found that by taking advantage of the K-4's
- awesome climbrate there's litteraly nothing that can
- touch you. Sure the La-7 will stay with you if
- you're down low, but after 3000 meters there's no
- way he can even come close to you. The K-4's dive
- acceleration is good and it's zoom climb can match
- that of every other fighter. Topspeed at low alt is
- not as high as the La-7 and it shouldn't be. if you
- want to outrun something down low you should go for
- the Fw 190A-9 or D-9. The D-9 is as fast as the La-7
- but it should be quite alot faster. Speeds up to
- 622km/h and even 640 km/h at treetop height was
- possible in RL with the D-9. In-game topspeed is
- around 605-610km/h./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:17 PM
hmph by now id assume that maj death woulda said something since 190/152 is his area of expertiece as iv seen him in game and hes quite good

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:55 PM
You are wrong nicolas in one point, Me209 wasnot a flop, the engineers were really excited and it had vastly better preformance then the Ta152 but it took them too long and when they got the 209 ready in 44 the D9 and Ta152 already started to roll out of the factorys and Germany had no time to loose...

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nicolas10 wrote:
- More or less they were redesigned/improved Fw190. It
- was more of a more radical competitor from the
- Fw190D, and actually the Ta 152 A which was not put
- in production already had performance similar to a
- Dora in late 1943 and was ready for production back
- then, but the *******es who commanded didn't want to
- lose factory efficiency by changing the plane
- design, and wanted to wait to see how the Me 209
- would do before choosing. The Me 209 was a flop and
- the Dora came up. Ta 152 A and B never were produced
- and eventually the C and H version came up, but too
- late.
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:17 AM
The 209 was not the better fighter. Its suffered from severe instability at high speeds and it was too hard for a novice pilot to fly. Only with MW50 and GM-1 could the 209 better the performance of the Ta 152 still the topspeeds were similar. The Ta 152 had far better potential with its superior airframe.

The Me-209V5

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:47 AM
For the Me 209 (V5) speeds I find 731 kph at 6000something meters, and 699 a 12000. It's better than the Ta 152 A, but definately not better than the later models.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:28 PM
Read through the statistics from the link just below. They are taken from certified in-game flight tests, but are within 1 mph of what we believe the actual aircraft flew. It includes in-flight stats of both the C and H variant. I hope these aircraft provide a countermeasure for the flight sim industry as a whole, since they were developed with the help of over 30 actual warbird pilots:
http://www.flightperformancedata.com/firepower/manual/ta152.htm


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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:51 PM
Zentaurus wrote:
- You are wrong nicolas in one point, Me209 wasnot a
- flop, the engineers were really excited and it had
- vastly better preformance then the Ta152 but it took
- them too long and when they got the 209 ready in 44
- the D9 and Ta152 already started to roll out of the
- factorys and Germany had no time to loose...
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Huckie says the Dora 9 was a better a/c than the Me209. Now if he says this, it must be true( /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ).

The 209 was initially using a DB engine but was not the engine switched to a Jumo. When this happened, its 'performance' dropped.

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