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FE_pilot
03-03-2007, 08:19 PM
Is there any cheap TrackerIR alternatives out there, If so are they easy to use and do they require any hardware like a camera?

Waldo.Pepper
03-03-2007, 09:38 PM
There are alternatives, but there is no substitute. If you decide you can afford trackIR you will never be sorry.

FE_pilot
03-03-2007, 10:03 PM
I can't afford one right now, I am saving money for a new Nvidia 7900 video card.


If there are any alternatives can you tell what they are?

Fireball_
03-03-2007, 10:13 PM
Take a look at Freelook. It uses your webcam to track your head movement:

http://freelook.org/

It appears no development has happend on it in a couple years but I think some forum members use it. Do a search on these forums for 'freelook'.

PFflyer
03-03-2007, 10:19 PM
If you set up a hat-switch correctly it works great and you will never need Track IR. If you want to know the setup, and you want a track of expert hat-switching in action, you can email me at featherbred@hotmail.com

tagTaken2
03-03-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
If you set up a hat-switch correctly it works great and you will never need Track IR.

TrackIR is the next generation hardware for flightsims, as significant as the shift from keyboard to joystick. If you sim more than 7 hours a week, you'll need it. If you genuinely can't afford it, I've used newview, http://war.by-airforce.com/downloads/newview.html a hatswitch panning utility and program worth looking at, but I suggest that unless you play a lot of other games, you'll get more out of TrackIR than a new video card. I went from zero to hero http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif in 5 minutes, straight out of the box.

Il-2 doesn't yet support 6dof, that probably won't come til SoW:BoB, but we've seen the future, and you won't be looking at things with your thumb.

FE_pilot
03-04-2007, 12:16 AM
I might be able to afford a TrackerIR 4 at a later time, but for now all that matters to me is my fps. I will either buy a Hat supporting joystick or try to use Freelook.


By the way is there any body who uses Freelook and knows how to set it up?

I have a Logitech camera but I don't know how to set it up to work in IL-2 46.

Waldo.Pepper
03-04-2007, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by FE_pilot:
If there are any alternatives can you tell what they are?

But of course...
I know what you mean about trackir being too expensive. I think so too but it is worth it. Still I am using a lowly trakir 2 model that i was fortunate enought to have bought cheap on ebay, Might up grade to 4pro for BOB. Not sure yet.

I experimented with cam2pan and freelook. I found cap2pan better than freelook but still it is 10 bucks, rather than free. Here is the locale..

http://www.mousevision.com/game/index.htm

As for how to set it up... a fella nicked BIGMAC on simhq tells how here...

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=328276&page=2

I played around with both of them. But still found them lacking. They were more frustrating that useful. And in my pre trackir days I ended up settling using newview on the hat switch. Good luck with cam2pan and freelook.

FE_pilot
03-04-2007, 01:30 AM
Well Cam2Pan was a waste of 10 dollars. Now i will just have to spend more money to get me a joystick with hatswitch on it.

muchaclopiec
03-04-2007, 04:53 AM
Have a look at http://www.efmer.eu

apparently you download a piece of software and then use a videocam as a substtiute for track ir. not tried it myself tho.

mmitch10
03-04-2007, 07:17 AM
I know you're looking for an alternative to TIR, but don't rule out buying a used one. I got a TIR 2 about 18 months ago on ebay for about 35, it's been fantastic.

repoman11
03-04-2007, 03:14 PM
You may always use your mouse. And map the mouse buttons to increase/decrease your field of view. I suppose I should get TIR, but I've been using my mouse since 2002.

WWSensei
03-04-2007, 07:15 PM
Best alternative for TIR4 is to find a TIR2 or even better 3 out on EBay.

Chris0382
03-05-2007, 07:55 AM
I tried all the alternatives and got them working nice with a radio shack blinking Display LED for a few dollars. Modified LED not to blink (very easy) and swapped red LED for infrared LED..

The problem was the centering was a PIA so I abandoned it. I was constantly pressing the center display command and it got in the way of flying.
Auto-center worked like **** and a large deadzone was too choppy.

Track IR 4 is the way to go. Dont even bother with earlier version unless gotten at a huge discount.

nikelamp
05-07-2007, 02:32 PM
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'Cachya' is a new but promising software alternative of trackir. It is 6dof, and works great even under low ambient light. With a build-in virtual joystick, it supports most of 3D games. Very much smooth. Just got one and love it.
For video demo, go to google, click video then search for 'cachya'.

raaaid
05-07-2007, 02:56 PM
best view mouse view i left cfs cause it didnt have one

increase mouse speed to 5

italianofalco
05-07-2007, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Chris0382:
I tried all the alternatives and got them working nice with a radio shack blinking Display LED for a few dollars. Modified LED not to blink (very easy) and swapped red LED for infrared LED..

The problem was the centering was a PIA so I abandoned it. I was constantly pressing the center display command and it got in the way of flying.
Auto-center worked like **** and a large deadzone was too choppy.

Track IR 4 is the way to go. Dont even bother with earlier version unless gotten at a huge discount.

sorry to hear this but are you sure to use the last version of Cam2pan mate? I use it with red led till 3 yrs without any problem of centering , only few "blinking the oldest drivers but now are still 2 yrs I'm very happy NOT to have spent more than 8 euro + 1led cost to have the identical feature of TrackIr http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif - Falco

fsim2007
06-14-2007, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by nikelamp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">blinking
'Cachya' is a new but promising software alternative of trackir. It is 6dof, and works great even under low ambient light. With a build-in virtual joystick, it supports most of 3D games. Very much smooth. Just got one and love it.
For video demo, go to google, click video then search for 'cachya'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for this post. Cachya works great more than I expected. It is commercial but cheap. For those who likes to pay a few $s, I highly recommend this!

Version 2.0 is even better. http://www.cachya.com

DooDaH2007
06-14-2007, 01:41 PM
Well Cam2Pan was a waste of 10 dollars. Now i will just have to spend more money to get me a joystick with hatswitch on it.

You are allready spending money and are about to spend even more for a joystick with head...
In the end you will end up having spend all this money for finding alternatives and end up buying trackir...

FE_pilot
06-14-2007, 02:57 PM
Forget all the alternatives, i finally got myself a real Track IR.

Roblex
06-15-2007, 06:00 AM
I downloaded both Freelook and Cam2Pan a few days back and from the limited play I have had I am finding Cam2Pan quite effective as long as I make sure I have bright enough lighting in the room. It does get lost sometimes but I really have not spent much time fine tuning it yet. Any time it gets lost I just center my view by flicking the hat switch on my joystick and it is OK again immediately.