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Alpha-747
04-14-2008, 06:51 PM
Hi everyone,

I have played the IL-2 series off and on since the original, but only recently signed up at these forums...

Anyway, I was wondering why the late Russian planes, even some American planes, are considered to be "noob" planes, and that the 109/190 "is for pros".

For example, I know that the La-7 is quite easy to gain kills with, as I got 3 in a row the other day on a server without even getting a scratch, but still, what do you expect allied pilots to fly in a server where most people are flying late-war Mk108 armed 109s and 190s? Oh and some people consider the P-51 to be a noob plane, because it has an awesome climb rate and speed, what the hell?

Ok off to the Yak-3. Of course, this is also a noob plane because it has good performance...well, what do you want me to fly if I want to fly a late-war Russian plane? What if I don't feel like flying the same old Spitfire (which, according to some, is also a noob plane)? Must I fly a Luftwaffe plane to get any respect for my kills?

I still want a challenge, so I've kind of stayed away from the La-7...but it seems as most of the Allied planes are "n00b planes". I also wonder why no one ever questions the Luftwaffe planes as being "noobish". Seriously, Mk108s aren't THAT hard to use, and the Ta-152 and the Fw-190 armed with 108's are...well, really damn good.

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I've searched and couldn't find a definite answer to this. Any suggestions on aircraft to fly on the allies (mostly Russian) and actually get respect are welcome. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PBNA-Boosher
04-14-2008, 07:22 PM
Don't listen to anyone else. It's not about killing, it's about surviving. Often, the key to surviving is to eliminate the opposition. You successfully did that.

They're whining because they got caught. In real life they'd either be stuck on the ground or dead. Either way, you wouldn't be able to hear their voices, so why bother paying attention to them now? If you can shoot accurately, fly coordinated, save your wingmen, and hit hard, you've got nothing else to worry about.

TSmoke
04-14-2008, 07:25 PM
Don't let it get to you, personally I feel fly what you like, and let the sour-pusses have their little tantrums.

I found if your not flying what they consider easy meat you'll never please everyone, so don't waste the time.

Fly something that they think is easy, learn it and pound em down with it, and take special interst in the whinners.

HotelBushranger
04-14-2008, 07:29 PM
N welcome to the forums mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Choctaw111
04-14-2008, 07:33 PM
I guess the simplest answer is to say the a "noob" plane is one where you can fly fairly easily, has good maneuverability and has good firepower. The more difficult planes are the ones where you need to use the right tactics to have any kind of success.
The La7 can turn very well, so is great in a dogfight, and has very good firepower. That equals a few kills in just about anyones hands.
Try to fly an aircraft that is not so nimble, or does not have such good firepower, and find other elements that you can exploit. If you can get some kills in a plane like that, then you will shake this "noobish" complex that you seem to be worried about. Once you have done this, then you can fly which ever plane you choose and not have to worry about this anymore as you know in your own mind you can score kills in just about anything.
Set something up in the QMB. Say you fly an MC.205 against an La7 as an example. There are so many things you can try there. Do this a few times. Learn the strengths of your "inferior" aircraft and use them to your advantage.

PS I like Mustangs. I never really thought of it as a noob plane. They were used in great numbers and it was a good and solid aircraft...just don't get hit in the engine.

MOH_MADMAN
04-14-2008, 07:37 PM
To hell w them, fly what you want, and if it becomes too little a challenge for you, try another ride.

Haigotron
04-14-2008, 07:37 PM
to not be called a noob, fly a paper plane online

Alpha-747
04-14-2008, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the great welcome guys! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yeah, as I said, I'm staying away from the La-7 as I need a better challenge...I'll try another model of Yak (not yak-3) and see how I fare.

I guess some people will never learn. I've even seen the A6M Zero called a noob plane!

And I'll definitely make sure to kill the whiners over and over again... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

ElAurens
04-14-2008, 08:02 PM
There is no such thing as a n00b plane.

Any real WW2 fighter could easily get you killed simply by doing something incorrectly, without ever seeing an enemy aircraft.

Fly what you like and don't worry about what some whiner behind a monitor thinks.

Stiletto-
04-14-2008, 08:39 PM
I'm going to have to agree with everyone saying fly what you like, but if you can kill well in a P-39 against 109s and 190s on the eastern front, you will look like a badass. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
04-14-2008, 09:10 PM
On the other hand, if you are a beginner (which you don't seem to be), it would be inadvisable to start off with late war planes, as you don't really learn the important things about flying properly.

VW-IceFire
04-14-2008, 09:30 PM
Lots of people call other people "n00bs" and tell them they fly "n00b" planes because they have some sort of insecurity issue and they can only win when you fly the plane they want you to fly.

So number 1...fly what you like...whatever is available.

Number 2...its not always a good idea to fly the better plane. Its quite a bit more challenging and interesting flying the lesser plane and still winning. I've had allot of fun flying in those same servers where you have La-7s, Spitfires, and MK108 armed 109s all over the sky and then here I am in a Ki-100 or a P-40 with a 50-100kph top speed difference and generally less firepower. I got shot down allot at first and then the real learning started to happen. A single victory in one of those against that sort of opposition is worth 5 or 10 in an equal plane.

But if you do want to try something different...a P-38, P-47, P-51, F4U, F6F, Tempest, or Yak-9 are all good choices on the Allied side for types that get less action in the typical dogfight server. Even the P-63 and P-39 are less seen. The P-38 is the most challenging as everyone wants the 200 points out of you and you're almost twice the size.

Remember its always the pilot and very rarely the plane. Certainly the plane factors in but a victory can be had in anything against anything else.

Alpha-747
04-14-2008, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
On the other hand, if you are a beginner (which you don't seem to be), it would be inadvisable to start off with late war planes, as you don't really learn the important things about flying properly.

Well, I still get shot down a lot online, but I've had some fun moments.

Lurch1962
04-14-2008, 09:37 PM
The first thing that popped into my head as soon as I read the title...


P-11 FTW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

na85
04-14-2008, 11:18 PM
The yak-3P is the noob variant, not the plain Yak-3.

The 3P has 3 B-20 cannons just like the la-7, which is part of the reason people don't like it.

JtD
04-14-2008, 11:24 PM
Actually, I wouldn't stay away from any plane just because others label it a noob plane. Frankly, against late war German planes, the Allied planes are just on par. A La-7 is not better than a D-9 or a K-4. Same goes for Spitfire. Personally, I consider them worse. They are easier to handle, though. My answer to noob plane whines is to shoot the whiner down.

The only red plane that I consider uber is the P-47 in the PTO. Not a noob plane, but it has an edge over anything the Japanese can field.

Eventually, there is no plane you can fly and be sure that no one calls you a "noob". There will always be someone who can't admit he's a loser, so he is going to call the opponent names, blame it on the plane etc.

I'd recommend you to fly the Yak-9u, P-51D and P-38. Maybe the Mustang III, Yak-3 and Tempest, too. If you kick butt in those, people will call you cheater instead of noob.

Don't listen to them.

JtD
04-14-2008, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by na85:

The 3P has 3 B-20 cannons just like the la-7, which is part of the reason people don't like it.

The normal La-7 has 2x20mm ShVAK cannons, not 3x20mm B-20. The standard La's firepower is pretty weak.

na85
04-14-2008, 11:28 PM
Right, but how many people fly the vanilla la-7 online if the 3xB20 is available?

Either way, the la-7's performance is (IMHO) overmodelled, not just its weaponry. I personally think it's on a different level than the yak.

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-14-2008, 11:56 PM
No such thing as a noob plane, only noob pilots. This is fact and its undisputed in my opinion. Pay no attention to the whiners. They die because they do not take the time to learn the tactics that were used in real life which they do apply and work well in IL2. Its very easy to concede defeat to a better plane rather then to another person. Its very easy to blame the plane instead of blaming ones self for many people.

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-14-2008, 11:58 PM
The standard La's firepower is pretty weak.

Hardly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-15-2008, 12:02 AM
Pick better servers to fly in as well. Here are a few where such comments will be few and far between.

Skies~of~Valor
UK-Dedicated 2 and 3
Spits_vs_109s
Zekes_vs_Wildcats
P-51s_vs_109s
War_Clouds

Choose any of these servers and I bet you have a good time online. Also never count out COOPs.

S~

Capt.LoneRanger
04-15-2008, 12:43 AM
I was called a noob when I shot down 2 Doras in a P40E. If somebody gets shot down, he'll always find a way to justify his own mistakes.

Stoner_109
04-15-2008, 06:05 AM
A-20 and B25 in early war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif . I'd rather take on 10 spitfires then one of those

M_Gunz
04-15-2008, 06:20 AM
Just note the names that play that squat, those are the juvies.
They may be over 15, they may be twice that but they still whine and cry.

If *they* don't like the planeset then *they* can always find another server.
Trying to stick you into being a flying target (cause any other plane is for noobs) is BS.

Of course you don't have to take the best plane but if you do and then you lose; uhhh, well....

TinyTim
04-15-2008, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
If *they* don't like the planeset then *they* can always find another server.


Well said. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Blutarski2004
04-15-2008, 09:07 AM
"Noob", as defined in the dictionary:
"Any opponent who is not cooperating to become my next victim"

"Jerk", as defined in the dictionary:
Anyone who complains about "noobs".


Fly what you like and laugh at the jerks.

JtD
04-15-2008, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by na85:
Right, but how many people fly the vanilla la-7 online if the 3xB20 is available?

At least one, me. I don't like fantasy planes.


Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The standard La's firepower is pretty weak.

Hardly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two ShVAK are about as powerful as a single MG151/20. That's pretty weak in my book.

SeaFireLIV
04-15-2008, 09:47 AM
Just think of it this way...

if anyone calls you a `noob` for flying a `noob` plane he`s probably the enemy on the other side.

Anything that displeases the enemy has got to be a good thing.

Or do you like actually pleasing the side you`re fighting against?

Choctaw111
04-15-2008, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Just think of it this way...

if anyone calls you a `noob` for flying a `noob` plane he`s probably the enemy on the other side.

Anything that displeases the enemy has got to be a good thing.

Or do you like actually pleasing the side you`re fighting against?

That's right on the money! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

BaronUnderpants
04-15-2008, 11:55 AM
One of the reasons, i think, people call the La7, Spit and so on, noob planes and Fw/Bf a "pros" plane is because if u find yourselfe to close to enemies in a Fw/Bf u generally have less options than in a Spit or La7 and u therfore have to plan ahead far more. Charging in La style just wont work in a Fw.

More true in late war, mid war not so much and early war not at all.

Take on 3 La`s in a FW and then 3 FW`s in a La and u kwill know what i mean. Same thing if u swap the FW for a P-51 for example.

There are 1 category of ac`s where u have to have very good Sa and plan ahead before u do anything or u will most likely get shot down. Ex: FW, P-47, P-51, BF109, Tempest.

The second category includes planes where u can charge in sideways and still have a good chance of survival. Ex: La7, Yak3, Spitfire.

All generally speaking ofcourse.


With that in mind, should u care if someone call u a noob? Not really. In that case im also a noob since FW reasently got bumbed up to the "noob" category to.

Xiolablu3
04-15-2008, 01:45 PM
The 'noob plane' comment comes from people upset that they got shot down/got a lower score. Ignore it.

Bf109's/Spitfires/La5/7/Zero's are all equally easy for a new pilot.

You cannot call the Spit/La7 a noob plane and not the Bf109, its one of the most stable and easiest planes to fly in the sim.

crucislancer
04-15-2008, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
You cannot call the Spit/La7 a noob plane and not the Bf109, its one of the most stable and easiest planes to fly in the sim.

Quite true. It seems the two planes that I usually have a good time in are the 109 and the Spitfire MkVb. They both have their challenges, some even between the different marks.

Da_Godfatha
04-15-2008, 02:51 PM
Simple..."n00b's" fly on late war cr@p servers...... "pro's" fly on early war servers.

Man, even I can get kills with La-7's and 30mm star wars cr@p. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

GF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Jaws2002
04-15-2008, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Simple..."n00b's" fly on late war cr@p servers...... "pro's" fly on early war servers.

Man, even I can get kills with La-7's and 30mm star wars cr@p. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

GF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif


Here's another clean example of "I'm better then you because I fly......" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Basicly the same type of people. Some whine about other people planes, some whine about other people's preffered settings, other just whine for the sake of whining.

Back to the original question. There are two kinds of people that whine about "n00b planes:
The sore losers. Usually people that never fly the other team but pretend to know everything about the enemy planes and allways for them the grass is greener in the other side of the fence.

And then you have the "experten wannabe" n00bs. Usually for the new guys The FW-190 or P-47, is harder to fly then a Late boosted spit or LA7.
So the noob didn't learn to fly that Jug Mustang or Fokewulf the way it was suposed to be flown and will consider this worse planes then the others.
For the experienced the planes are a lot more balanced because they know how to use the advantages that heavier planes usually have.

RaVe_N
04-15-2008, 04:12 PM
I agree with Jawsy but still there are noob planes out there..
below is my list of the top 5 NooB AC in this
order
1. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif
2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif
3. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
4. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif
5. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
All the rest are hard to fly

Alpha-747
04-15-2008, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Pick better servers to fly in as well. Here are a few where such comments will be few and far between.

Skies~of~Valor
UK-Dedicated 2 and 3
Spits_vs_109s
Zekes_vs_Wildcats
P-51s_vs_109s
War_Clouds

Choose any of these servers and I bet you have a good time online. Also never count out COOPs.

S~

I'm pretty sure I need some more training before I join those.

JtD
04-16-2008, 10:04 AM
You'll get a lot of training if you join these right away. Or UKD1. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

waffen-79
04-16-2008, 10:12 AM
learn to fly these planes:

P-39 any
P-40 any
P-47 any
P-51 any
P-63 any
MC205 Series III
Bf-109G-6 and later models
Fw-190 any
Ta-152 any
TEMPEST Mk.V

anything else is n00bish

SeaFireLIV
04-16-2008, 10:15 AM
Well, if you really must prove you`re not a noob, then fly an I16 on a 1944/5 server. If you fly it and make it back to base with either a manouever kill, actual kill, or just landing perfectly then you can tell them to stfu!

DKoor
04-16-2008, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
There is no such thing as a n00b plane.

Any real WW2 fighter could easily get you killed simply by doing something incorrectly, without ever seeing an enemy aircraft.

Fly what you like and don't worry about what some whiner behind a monitor thinks. +1

DKoor
04-16-2008, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
learn to fly these planes:

P-39 any
P-40 any
P-47 any
P-51 any
P-63 any
MC205 Series III
Bf-109G-6 and later models
Fw-190 any
Ta-152 any
TEMPEST Mk.V

anything else is n00bish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-16-2008, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Alpha-747:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Pick better servers to fly in as well. Here are a few where such comments will be few and far between.

Skies~of~Valor
UK-Dedicated 2 and 3
Spits_vs_109s
Zekes_vs_Wildcats
P-51s_vs_109s
War_Clouds

Choose any of these servers and I bet you have a good time online. Also never count out COOPs.

S~

I'm pretty sure I need some more training before I join those. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? You will be able to learn better if your in a respectable server. All the servers I mentioned offer a dedicated Teamspeak server which you should use. Look me up on hyperlobby and Ill wing with ya.

S!

na85
04-16-2008, 12:20 PM
I agree with Havok; you can't learn unless you put yourself in a challenging environment. It can be frustrating at times, but you just have to go for it.

The great thing about flight sims is that the arenas are so large. If a certain pilot keeps shooting you down, just take off from another base and/or head in a different direction.

Come to Skies of valor, the skill range is very large and if you come on teamspeak you'll find lots of friendly people.

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-16-2008, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
learn to fly these planes:

P-39 any
P-40 any
P-47 any
P-51 any
P-63 any
MC205 Series III
Bf-109G-6 and later models
Fw-190 any
Ta-152 any
TEMPEST Mk.V

anything else is n00bish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You left out the P-38, F4U, F4F and F6F. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No41Sqn_Banks
04-16-2008, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
learn to fly these planes:

P-39 any


Except P-39 D-2, the forgotten n00bplane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

M_Gunz
04-16-2008, 02:06 PM
Face 109's in a 41 Yak or LaGG and see which is the easy plane!

DKoor
04-16-2008, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Face 109's in a 41 Yak or LaGG and see which is the easy plane! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TinyTim
04-16-2008, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Face 109's in a 41 Yak or LaGG and see which is the easy plane!

Turkeyshoot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/aegeeaddict/rekord_1.jpg

Alpha-747
04-16-2008, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
learn to fly these planes:

P-39 any
P-40 any
P-47 any
P-51 any
P-63 any
MC205 Series III
Bf-109G-6 and later models
Fw-190 any
Ta-152 any
TEMPEST Mk.V

anything else is n00bish

No VVS planes? lol.

Anyways, I'll try those servers out, but I don't have Teamspeak...