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Hawgdog
06-26-2003, 09:24 PM
The earlier thread got me to thinking. Has anyone installed Janes since they upgraded to processors three times as quick as '98? Or graphics cards undreamed of in 2000??? Or motherboards with chipset speeds unthinkable in 2001??

Wonder what it would be like to hump a 109 into a throng of B-17's flailing away with gunpods hoping not to run into one of those dam things in thick smoke???


hmmmmmmmmmm

doggie out

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Hawgdog
06-26-2003, 09:24 PM
The earlier thread got me to thinking. Has anyone installed Janes since they upgraded to processors three times as quick as '98? Or graphics cards undreamed of in 2000??? Or motherboards with chipset speeds unthinkable in 2001??

Wonder what it would be like to hump a 109 into a throng of B-17's flailing away with gunpods hoping not to run into one of those dam things in thick smoke???


hmmmmmmmmmm

doggie out

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:43 PM
give me an hour or so and i try it out...

system is: WinXP (stable..*hope so*), AMD XP 1800+, ABit KX-7 333R board


if i dont come back till tomorrow my system crashed ;-)

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 09:46 PM
Hawgdog wrote:
- The earlier thread got me to thinking. Has anyone
- installed Janes since they upgraded to processors
- three times as quick as '98?

I just did, it feels like a new game to me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I see tiny fps drop when there's some smoke - when shooting guns, or when there are lots of activity, but that's nothing.

This game is going to stay on my HD because it has alot of good documentary films and reference init.

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Hawgdog
06-26-2003, 10:05 PM
I'm prepping for an office party and dont have time. I cant remember what card I had then. I believe it was either a 8 or 16mb FX or something like it. The processor was PIII 500, and I think I had a screaming 256! Ahhhhh, AND a 14" NEC monitor!
I remember it would almost lock up when lots of smoke and the bombers would get close

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:10 PM
ok here iam.....back and ready to report:

1. it works

2. very funny: full install 259 MB (LOL, that were times with small HDD`s, now i got 160GB so who cares?)

3. Avi8or wrote:
- I just did, it feels like a new game to me.
agree!!

4. cya later guys iam goin play ww2 fighters now.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:26 PM
I've kept it on my harddrive since 1999 ... I've upgraded computers from Celeron 450Mhz on Windows 98 to a 1.7GHz Pentium 4 on XP Home ... Midway I had a GeForce2 MX 420 card and have since moved up to a GeForce4 Ti4600. And have upgraded to a total of 1Gb RAM ...

WWII Fighters has evolved with the technology and looks very nice if you load up the high res/ high poly models and skins. There are also mods to add a denser population of trees, thicker clouds, individually painted air squads, high resolution ground vehicles ... There are currently some Afrika Korps tanks in the works that will blow you away they look so good. The very best custom stuff rivals even the current commercial releases (*cough Forgotten Battles ... *cough CFS3). Don't believe me? Check out Rammjager's Spitfire XIV or Hammerd's FW190A-8.

Enthusiasts site: http://www.ww2fighters.net

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:42 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:45 PM
JT_Skycat wrote:
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- WWII Fighters has evolved with the technology and
- looks very nice if you load up the high res/ high
- poly models and skins. There are also mods to add a
- denser population of trees, thicker clouds,
- individually painted air squads, high resolution
- ground vehicles ... There are currently some Afrika
- Korps tanks in the works that will blow you away
- they look so good. The very best custom stuff rivals
- even the current commercial releases (*cough
- Forgotten Battles ... *cough CFS3). Don't believe
- me? Check out Rammjager's Spitfire XIV or Hammerd's
- FW190A-8.
-
- Enthusiasts site: http://www.ww2fighters.net
-
-

I absolutely agree! The new 'stang Rammjager will release soon will be icing on the cake.

XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 10:53 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:05 PM
yes janes ww2f with the new terraign and planes is a new game with those downloads....now if we could get some online interest im in

RichardI
06-26-2003, 11:30 PM
Hmmm. I gave that game away to my son......
Excuse me, please I have to go make a 'phone call......

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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:36 PM
The only game I have of Jane's is the IAF, but that game is not running well on my XPwired system. Also does not support none 3dfx cards well (same as with F/a-18c korea).

too bad tho... I might try it on my older system, but then I'm out of joystick. heh. Not sure if I want to go *that* way again.



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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 11:42 PM
The software store does not carry it. What can be done to remedy this? Anyone willing to help locate it? Thanks!

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:06 AM
What are you people using to run this...OpenGl or DirectX.

I have kept jane's too, just because it was such a great sim for its time, but I stopped because it just didn't look good in either of the above when I switched from a 3Dfx card to NVidia.

There was a Glide patch I tied applying (OpenGlide I think), but it wasn't very satisfactory for Janes, although it did allow me to play RB3D with some success.

Thanks

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:45 AM
Use D3D. WW2F doesn't work so well with Open Glide.

Also, there was a problem with the GeForce2/3 MX cards showing a 'tearing' in the sky. There are ways to reduce this problem to where it won't be that noticable, but I don't know if one can get rid of the problem completely.

My GeForce4 Ti makes everything look verrrrry nice though.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:17 AM
Thanks JT, that's my problem. I'm running an old GeForce3 ti200 and Janes ain't too pretty with it.

Some of the mods for the game look great tho' and I'd love to start playing it again.

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Message Edited on 06/26/0310:52PM by Chadburn

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:10 AM
i still think that WW2 Fighters has the best looking fire, for a game, ever.
now if you would all excuse me, i believe i have an install to do gentleman. cya later/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:08 AM
Jane's WW2F sure has a special place in my memories.
It's still evolving, and gets better all the time.
Hi Skycat. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:52 AM
Hi Guy's
Since we are talking about the time period that 3 great flight sims came out: EAW,JanewWWII and no one has mentioned the third; Activision's "Fighter Squandron' THE SCREAMIN'DEMONS OVER EUROPE".
I remember playing it and Janes all the time, but Fighter Squandron allowed you to switch postions in the bombers, had the greatist damage model , If you bounced on take off sometimes a wheel would break off and go bouncing down the runway.
And you could fly from a fixed out of plane position ,similar to flying R/C, and the crashes were excellent.
It has been a couple of years since I visted the mod.community for this sim, but then they were producing high res. skins, soundpacks, and many many downloads.
I even bought a extra copy and still have it in the shrink wrap unopened .
I don,t know if the community still exist in large numbers but at one time they were huge.
Thanks for the memories ,
Johnny Walker

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 05:26 AM
i just ordered the janes ww2 upgrade cd...everything is all brand new. they have yaks and italian planes now too!

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 07:53 AM
Thanks for the tip HawgDog.I have the original.
Now I,m off to visit the site.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:08 PM
Jane's WWII fighters runs great with my ATI RADEON9700 Pro.
It runs right on the 200fps clamp with all detail
settings on max and all video options turned on.

I have a 800mhz computer with a VooDoo5 5500 and
runs over 50fps at all times and averages 180fps most times.

The VooDoo card simply can not be beat for visuals.
Jane's never looked better. But a modern ATI or Geforce
card runs Jane's great.

Mr.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:46 PM
I asked this in another thread, but didn't get an answer:

Does Janes WWII include a dynamic campaign or are there any 3rd party dynamic campaign engines for it?

Anyone know?

ZG77_Nagual
06-28-2003, 05:06 PM
I've still got this puppy - with all the custom planes posted in the shots above - it still rules.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 06:04 PM
I think there is a dynamic campaign generator app available at the http://www.ww2fighters.net site. I can't check for you right now because the site isn't opening (possibly all these screenshots linked to the site is killing the bandwidth allowance?). Either way, I don't have a DCG in my downloads folder and I've never used such a program.

There was once a Shareware or Payware dynamic campaign generator that looke like it could be pretty good. Somebody dug up the link to the developer's site around Christmas time and one of the regulars at the WW2F site said it was an old program heralding back to the early days. I think the deal was you were supposed to send the guy $15 or similar amount of money.

The latest 'up to date' add-on CD (Swiper's "Base Mods" CD) has a Dynamic Campaign Editor and a Dynamic Mission Designer as well as several other mission editors. I don't know if any of these programs work as a Generator.

One of WW2F's strengths has always been that it has a great mission design feature. Tons of scripted missions and campaigns have been written and made available through download. On the new Base Mods CD, there are nine Allied campaigns, seven Axis campaigns, and easily a couple of hundred single missions of various types.

Redwolf32 wrote:
- I asked this in another thread, but didn't get an
- answer:
-
- Does Janes WWII include a dynamic campaign or are
- there any 3rd party dynamic campaign engines for it?
-
- Anyone know?
-
-

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 06:25 PM
I have had Jane's WWII Fighters for some time now. Are you saying that computer upgrades allow better performance and graphics, or are you saying one needs to buy the "Base Mods CD" to accomplish these results...or a combination of both? I placed an order for the upgrade CD on the www.ww3fighters.net/ (http://www.ww3fighters.net/). The price was $4.00 but when I finalized the order there was no requirement for credit card information and no mention as to how to pay for it. What's the deal here? Anyone know?

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 06:53 PM
drsmith,

I don't know what the deal is with the payment at the site where you ordered. The money is supposed to cover the cost of burning the CDs, making labels and postage. The site you ordered from was probably set up by one of the volunteers handling the distribution of the Add-on CDs. For all I know, it's a defunct site and the volunteer is no longer doing this (it's a thankless and time consuming job from what I hear).

My advice is to come to the community site and post your question. Swiper might be able to give you a direct link to the closest volunteer to where you live. This is an international network.

As for the original question, here's the deal: Jane's WWII Fighters came out in 1998 when a Pentium II and a Voodoo2 was high-end. The default models and graphics pushed the limitations of such systems back then, but since then technology has improved. I guess some people had problems running the game at its full potential five years ago.

Since then the modding community has exploited the improved technology of faster processors, plentiful RAM, and better graphics cards by creating higher polygon models and skins with a much higher resolution than the originals. If you look at the differences between the default P-51D and it's development by modders through the last five years, you'd have an anology like this:

Original Jane's P-51D and skin: LEGO blocks model.
Original Jane's with high-res skins: Matchbox toy.
Rammjager's P-51D "SixGun *****": Revell model kit.
Rammjager's upcoming "SG *****" v.2: Danbury Mint model.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 06:58 PM
OK..you dirty rotten SOB's!

You have forced me to dig it out.

Before I install it (which I can't wait t see on my killer system)I want to downlaod the right patch and the right mods.

Can someone post a link to both?

I'd like to have what everyone else has so I can fly online.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 07:07 PM
With all this talk about Jane's WWII I noticed that the add on CD is just full of third party add-ons. My question is this: can you just go to different sites and download all that stuff and not have to pay for a fancy CD?



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 07:15 PM
drsmith or anyone else wanting the base mods cd.

www.ww2fighters.net (http://www.ww2fighters.net)

If in the US, you will be getting an email from Bill Grant, he is in Texas. He only accepts cash. Don't worry though, I have ordered all three cd's in the pase with no problems. If you do order, be sure to include a little "extra" as a thank you for all their hard work!

That ordering screen is so they can contact you with shipping info.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 07:16 PM
Official patch v1.08F is the only 'patch.' That's for the English version of the game. If you have an 'EA Classics' version of the game (either full box or jewel-case only) it should have the patch included on the discs. If you've got an older version of the game you may have to download the patch. I believe it is available at the http://www.ww2fighters.net site (if the site would ever come back up!)

For playing online, just worry that everybody has the same FMs. There are some FM packages that were released by Target and available at the site above; if you see multiple version numbers they generally include the same plane sets but were tweaked as an ongoing effort.

For visuals, it doesn't matter if you've got different terrains* or skins or even variations of the 3D models. You don't realy 'see' your opponents. Not like IL-2 where you can go online with a custom skin and everybody sees it.

* = As long as you're only reskinning the Ardennes terrain, the 3D mesh and towns placement will still be the same. Russian Front mod changes town names and possibly locations. As for planes, since new planes can only be added by giving up a default, you're still limited to the basic default planes' names. The Yak model, for example, replaces the Spitfire but is still a 'Spitfire' to the game. I guess you could fly a Yak with a SpitIX FM, or a Spitfire IX with a custom Yak FM online and it wouldn't make any difference to your opponents. The important thing is that the FMs all jive.

Tully__
06-28-2003, 07:35 PM
Discussion of this sim on the IL2 forum is getting a bit out of hand. Perhaps you could transfer it to http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=56 ?

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 07:46 PM
georgeo76 wrote:
- With all this talk about Jane's WWII I noticed that
- the add on CD is just full of third party add-ons.
- My question is this: can you just go to different
- sites and download all that stuff and not have to
- pay for a fancy CD?
-

The CDs are a community effort, not a commercial enterprise.

Some of the stuff on the CDs was submitted exclusively for the CDs.

More importantly, a lot of 'skins' and some mods have disappeared from online download servers. The original community site (kind of the bellybutton of modding activity in the old days) used to have to delte older skins and mods on a regular basis to make room for new stuff. The current incarnation of the community site has more server space but much of the old classics got lost in the transition.

The CDs are easier to use than downloads. Swiper has made a front-end menu where all you have to do is select the mod you want and then click a button. The application installs the mod for you! That simple.

The CDs also include extra stuff like tutorials, movies, utilities and artwork.

Swiper includes pre-built terrain sets that install with a click. With downloads you used to have to download large .zip packages and then install ... the installing could take five or ten minutes alone. Similar with the more complex 3D models. Now its nearly instantaneous.

The current version of the Add-on CDs is the new "Base Mods" CD. It's the third in the series, but it focuses on getting the basic variants of all the 3D models and their debut skins, plus most or all of the terrain sets (13 total). There are also a bunch of little fixes like cockpit fixes. I think most or all of the missions and campaigns submitted to the community site up to the moment the CD was finalized are included. "Base Mods" is an easy way to upgrade your game without all the confusion of having to know where files go to install, what replaces what, and where the fixes are. Plus the original archives are included on the CDs for easy return to default.

I assume that future CDs will include the vast library of custom skins available plus any present and future mods. Of course much of the best and latest is available for download. Add-on CD#2 is a recommended companion to "Base Mods" for its collection of custom skins though. I don't see a reason to get the first Add-on CD unless you really like the original 3D models and want new skins for those. I assemble many of those into simple download packages for the Vintage Mods annex at the community site though.

The money charged doesn't make anybody wealthy but towards rather materials and postage. The distribution is done through a network of volunteers in several countries who have offered their time and CD burners.