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Worf101
05-27-2007, 05:11 PM
Over two nights flying with the 99th I witnessed three separate incidents that both challenged my faith in this sim and those that fly it and, in the end... helped restore some measure of it as well. I will take this reverse order. Names of offenders will not be printed out as it violates the rules on "personal attacks" however the perps know who they are. Why they do what they do I'll never know.

THE UGLY:
We were flying a mission modified by 99th_WindDancer the other night. It was designed by him to be a "groundpounder's dream" with a target rich environment, a few ops to keep it interesting and a knife fight ground battle that required you to know what you're dropping your bombs on.

WindDancer took the lead A-20, I was in second spot. We were two minutes into preflight, waiting for escort to take off in front of us when tracers began whipping by my cockpit from a ship on the runway behind me. The perp obviously wanted to OPTIMIZE his fun more because he pulled out of line and began strafing the whole flight line with OPTIMUM effciency. Planes were soon exploding left and right as I began to taxi down the runway.

It seems that someone flying an A-20 decided to OPTIMIZE his enjoyment by blowing up friendlies on the tarmac in front of him so he could take off. For some reason he/she felt it was "funny". We in the 99th pride ourselves on being welcoming and respecting all fliers whether in our Coops or not. But this was beyond the pale.

Several people typed warnings queries but the perpetrators respons was less than OPTIMAL. Finally 99th_Snake and Devil decided to take matters into their own hands. They took off in their 47's and when they had the OPTIMUM firing solution, rocketed the perp to hell and back. The miscreant was upset called us "Fa**ots" and worse. We continued on with the mission but it left a bad taste in our mouths. Obviously the miscreant was not a fan of the behavior of OPTIMUS Prime. Never in my years online had I seen such garbage.

THE BAD:
A few COOPS later several 99th pilots were shot down by friendlies in their lust for kills. There was no respect for the person closest to the target or the one with the best firing solution. 99th_Patches was blown out of the sky by a visitor intent on the kill. We did not retaliate nor respond via comms. Patches let it go saying that "in the end it is just a game". This left another bad taste in my mouth.

THE GOOD:
In another groundpounder mission we wound up with a "What If" wherein 109's and 190's were dogging it up with Corsairs and 47's. AFSG_WEZ was flying ops. In the end it was him against a sky full of Red and Redtails. He did not run, but fought with a bravery and skill few of us had ever witnessed in HL. He didn't get any kills but managed to drive away 2 of his attackers trailing smoke and manuvered one into the ground. In the end "DeathComes" got him. He saluted his opponnent and we all, as a squadron saluted him for his skill, daring and chivalry.

His actions and those of his foes reminded me again why I love this sim and some of the people in it.

Da Worfster

papotex
05-27-2007, 06:39 PM
i joined a DF server last night and took off ,flew for about 15 minutes and someone sneaked up behing me and shot me down.
then i went to bed

VW-IceFire
05-27-2007, 09:13 PM
Seems to be happening allot recently. I'm not sure what is wrong with people. I think its largely to do with the popularity of the product. Back in the day we had just the enthusiasts...now the game is selling more and more copies and its out in the hands of folks who are more along the lines of the deathmatch players from Quake and Unreal Tournament and those sorts of players who have little concept of tactics or teamwork nevermind honor.

This is unfortunately a good and bad thing at the same time. It means our hobby is getting popular again thanks to an excellent and diverse game. That means there are more chances for future games in the eyes of the publisher(s). The bad side of it is that we get morons like the guy you described. Sad but true.

Whats the solution? Ensure that Storm of War has better hosting options so whoever the host is of that COOP has ultimate control over who is flying their COOP. I imagine that could be abused as well...but make it relatively easy to remove misbehaving players from any type of game.

AFSG_Weasle
05-27-2007, 10:56 PM
Thanks Worf,
very kind words, some nights you are just more lucky than others...........

Wez

Bearcat99
05-27-2007, 11:08 PM
Yeah well.... I think it was more skill than luck.. ya modest bastage.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I was the poor schnup who spun in trying to nail you to the grass.... You were always @5 degrees out of my sights.... I was flapping & trimming.. and rolling and trying my best to stay with you.. but I made the mistake of turning once too many times with you and I went into an uncontrollable spin... That was some good flying.. and in that coop... I saw everything that keeps me coming back online to this sim...

stansdds
05-28-2007, 04:40 AM
I've not tried a DF server and I'm thinking I probably don't want to with the Air Quake mind set of many players. Shooting friendlies just for sport is just not right, especially in a co-op mission setting. It's disrespectful and classless.

Did I ever shoot down a friendly when I was flying a mission with a squadron? Yep, two times in two years, both were mid air collisions. The only time I shot at a squad mate was during our warm up sessions before starting our mission. And I am proud to say that I never strafed anyone in my squad while they were attempting a takeoff, not even during the dog fight warm up session. I buzzed them so close that they may have soiled themselves, but I did not damage or destroy them while on the ground. I respected my squad mates and they returned the same to me.

JG52Uther
05-28-2007, 05:27 AM
I think it is getting worse,mainly for the reasons that Icefire points out.Popularity is a double edged sword.Some people just seem to want to spoil others fun. Usually I just fly with friends,or in online wars,and you dont see so much of that behaviour.

BrotherVoodoo
05-28-2007, 07:36 AM
Sorry to have missed all of the "fun", I have been out of town for the vacation weekend. I should be on tonite.
I'm not sure what the solution is to the "ugly" Worf, I have been feeling it too man. Knowing the folks you fly with works ie; friends and other squads like CPS, VFC and AH (there are plenty more), and you KNOW you are going to have a good time. And we are all about having a good time! I think we should take every opportunity we can to fly with other squads, it mitigates the BS factor hugely.

Worf101
05-28-2007, 09:29 AM
Well fellah's maybe this kinda thing is expected on a "free for all" dogfight server but in a squadron hosted COOP? It makes so little sense the mind boggles. I'd say 95% of the fliers I've flown with since going online were/are honorable opponents who fight and fly with sense and honor if not "skill". Kill stealing has gone way up, but most guys are mature enough to "understand" how a kid might overeact over a chance to score a kill and do something stupid. Fratacide is crazed maddog behaviour that I don't understand.

I've shot at, but never downed friendlies until recognized the markings in some "no icons coops" but that was not malice just incompetence and less than OPTIMAL vision. I've backblasted more'n a few of my squaddies but bombs have no eyes and that falls under fortunes of war.

Still the skills of some pilots amaze me. Saw another killer on last night. Bearcat help me with this guys name. He was "Last Red Standing" and had over 950 Points fore 4 AI's gang banged him. I just watched from the heavens in absolute awe.

Da Worfster

PS Miss you Rocky. We need ya, the AXIS powers are a persisten lot and won't go away!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

AFSG_Bulldog
05-28-2007, 10:20 AM
That is why I never go into DF servers. There are too many people out there just trying to build kill ratios to get ahead in their squad or for some kind of bragging privileges.

Completing your mission objectives can be more work, and more rewarding than vulching over an opponents base and shooting people before they even get the engine started. What skill does that take? Heck there are many nights where I never get to shoot my guns because I am trying to protect my wingman (and vice versa).

The A.F.S.G. knows that we can get a fair game from the 99th, CPS, VFC, AH, Aviar and many others. So why would you want to waste your time messing with the kiddies in the DF rooms (or put up with them in your Co-ops)?

Philipscdrw
05-28-2007, 10:45 AM
I've shot and bombed friendlies, generally Spitfires for some reason, on perhaps five seperate occasions online. But every time it was misidentification, generally on a full-switch server, when I realise 'Hey, that 109's wing radiators are rather odd' just as I hit the trigger, and see the RAF roundel fluttering to the ground along with twenty feet of very elliptical wing. Once I spent five minutes twisting around a Zero on Zekes_Vs_Wildcats, not noticing that he was running for our carriers despite engine damage, eventually shot him down only to be told 'friendly kill'. Watching the track afterwards I realised I'd been shooting a Hellcat with Japanese markings... Another time I misread a map and bombed friendly tanks on a DF server. Never deliberately shot down friendlies.

DuxCorvan
05-28-2007, 01:38 PM
How was called that officer who was just under the centurio in a Roman legion?

Bearcat99
05-28-2007, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by stansdds:
I've not tried a DF server and I'm thinking I probably don't want to with the Air Quake mind set of many players. Shooting friendlies just for sport is just not right, especially in a co-op mission setting. It's disrespectful and classless.

Did I ever shoot down a friendly when I was flying a mission with a squadron? Yep, two times in two years, both were mid air collisions. The only time I shot at a squad mate was during our warm up sessions before starting our mission. And I am proud to say that I never strafed anyone in my squad while they were attempting a takeoff, not even during the dog fight warm up session. I buzzed them so close that they may have soiled themselves, but I did not damage or destroy them while on the ground. I respected my squad mates and they returned the same to me.

Accidentally shooting down friendlies is not a problem... even colliding.... it is the intentional shooting of friendlies... and the total disregard of ones team mates that gets me...

Shoop_da_whoop
05-28-2007, 10:40 PM
Reading these threads, I am constantly amazing and perplexed by what I am about to get myself into. My stick is coming in Thursday so I am anticipating my day to take to the skies but I am starting to question what am I to suspect from the online portion of this game.

Korolov1986
05-28-2007, 11:03 PM
Most of the time, your experience will be good. You just ignore the people who have an axe to grind. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Billy_DeLyon
05-28-2007, 11:27 PM
Shoop, I wouldn't get cold feet if I were you. I've been flying offline for 20 months or so and have only just gotten into flying online in the past month or so. It's a very different experince for sure, much more challenging and rewarding than offline. Of course, at this point I'm getting my butt handed to me about 99% of the time. But it's still really fun and I can't wait to go back and try again.

I sure can't judge from my limited time whether it's changing for the worse, but I haven't seen much rude behavior. I have seen just a few incidents of surprisingly vicious name-calling arising from some unseen incident. When that happens I usually just disconnect from the server and find another one; no problem. On the whole the crowd flying this sim online seems impressively mature.

It is strange to read about the incident Worf describes. I wonder why that guy even bothered joining a coop?

@ all the other responders to this thread, I sure hope you all keep flying online, hope to see you there...

Worf101
05-29-2007, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Shoop_da_whoop:
Reading these threads, I am constantly amazing and perplexed by what I am about to get myself into. My stick is coming in Thursday so I am anticipating my day to take to the skies but I am starting to question what am I to suspect from the online portion of this game.
I think you'll have a great time 99% of the time, particularly if you join and active and welcoming Squadron of which there are many. I started this thread to "praise" as much as whine. Though I think it was more of a "WTF" than a whine. Please don't give up on online without giving it and most of its denizens a "fair shake".

We had a Noob with us last night, blew his first carrier landing but he was pretty good in the air. We were happy to fly with him on our wing and in our Comms. Please don't let my original post put you off.

Da Worfster

Col._King
05-29-2007, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo...Knowing the folks you fly with works ie; friends and other squads like CPS, VFC and AH (there are plenty more), and you KNOW you are going to have a good time. And we are all about having a good time! I think we should take every opportunity we can to fly with other squads, it mitigates the BS factor hugely.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif
Count with the Hell's Devils {HD}, too.
We like to set up COOPs and DFs. In the case someone of the guests behave less than honorably, it is kicked in the b*tt right quickly. Honor and Chivalry are extremely important for us.

~SALUTE!~
Carry on!

BrotherVoodoo
05-29-2007, 08:05 AM
Rgrt Col. King. The 99th fly every night around 9:30 EST. We would love any squads to join our coops. Honor and Chivalry are extremely important for us as well sir as is working as a team. There are allot of great squads out there that we really enjoy flying with...

Philipscdrw
05-29-2007, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by Shoop_da_whoop:
Reading these threads, I am constantly amazing and perplexed by what I am about to get myself into. My stick is coming in Thursday so I am anticipating my day to take to the skies but I am starting to question what am I to suspect from the online portion of this game.

Flying online is great! It's much, much more satisfying to fight with and against other human beings than against the AI. Get a microphone and get onto Teamspeak and try to fly cooperatively - it's the best way to fly I think.

It's best to learn how to fly the aircraft and shoot at things first though - I was quite embarrassed last night when I fell off the runway on takeoff - twice - on an AirForceWar coop...