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rhurst1945
09-09-2007, 01:13 PM
Hello,

I'm interested in purchasing a new HOTAS setup for my computer. After reading through several threads, I've decided to give serious consideration to a force feedback (FFB) stick; seems it can add a lot to the gaming experience. However, it appears that there are only a few sticks available that are FFB compatible, namely:

- Saitek Cyborg Evo Force
- Logitech Force 3D Pro
- Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner

All of these sticks appear to have built-in throttle and rudder control, but I am planning to use separate devices for these actions (most likely the Saitek X52 throttle and Saitek or CH rudder pedals). If I purchase one of the sticks listed above, is it relatively simple to disable the built-in throttle and rudder controls? Or am I setting myself up for a real headache?

Are there any other members here who use a FFB stick in their HOTAS setup? If so, what do you use? (I have read great things about the old Microsoft FFB sticks, but I really don't want to purchase a used stick on eBay, if possible.)

By the way, I've been using a Thrustmaster FCS gameport setup for several years, so USB joysticks are somewhat of a mystery to me.

Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Heinrich
09-09-2007, 01:42 PM
This is not a direct answer to your question, however, on the Saitek forum they are taking a poll to see how many are interested in a X52 type throttle WITH force feedback.

tagTaken2
09-09-2007, 06:48 PM
It's fairly simple to map different control axes to different controllers in Il-2, at least, that shouldn't be a problem. You don't have to disable a controller axis if unused, it's just ignored if unmapped.

I have MSFFB2 as aerilon/elevator with the throttle set for elevator trim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif, Thrustmaster Afterburner II (non-ffb), use for throttle/button bay/guided missile control and CH pedals for rudder.

I'm following the Saitek thing with interest, it would be nice to have another serious contender beside the Sidewinder.

nearmiss
09-09-2007, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Twinpeaks:
This is not a direct answer to your question, however, on the Saitek forum they are taking a poll to see how many are interested in a X52 type throttle WITH force feedback.

Gotta link?

BrotherVoodoo
09-10-2007, 11:15 AM
After using several Saitek FFB models, Logitech and the Thrustmaster I am back to my trusty CH Fighterstick. The FFB sticks are just not accurate enough for my taste and they all very much impact my ability to be competitive online in a bad way. My comprimise was to tape a USB rumble pad to the base of my CH stick. Now I get all of the stall warnings and shakes but my stick stays deadly accurate. I also use CH ProThrottle, CH Yoke and CH pedals. With the Control Manager software it looks like 1 devise to windows and IL2. This is important to me as IL2 only supports 4 controllers. I also have G25 and Nostromo game pad installed. My reccomendation...Go CH and don't look back until there is something to look at.

SoarPilot
09-10-2007, 01:08 PM
Yep it is totally possible. I use a EVO FF, X52 Throttle, and CH Pedals. For Bombers I use CH Yoke, Quad Throttle, CH Pedals. Just make the proper axis assignment and away you go!

Hey Brother Voodoo- what type of rumble pad are you using?

BrotherVoodoo
09-10-2007, 01:11 PM
I use a Logitech rumble 2 USB controller. I got it off of ebay for 13$ Great vibrations and a handy button bay to boot.

FoolTrottel
09-11-2007, 03:25 AM
Are there any other members here who use a FFB stick in their HOTAS setup? If so, what do you use?
Guillemot FFB Joystick.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GuillemotFFB.jpg
It's great, but it's old, you can't get a new one... and it's very rare...

Bearcat99
09-11-2007, 02:47 PM
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Sokol__1
09-12-2007, 04:14 PM
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4721/attachmentql6.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=attachmentql6.jpg)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sokol1

Lehnert
09-15-2007, 04:42 AM
Hello Sokol1,
what is that ?
Looks like you are an excellent craftsman !!

I think it is a MS Sindewinder 2 FFB and ???

I use an MS SW 2 FFB (after using a long time the old MS SW FFB with gameport connector) only sometimes because the distances between the buttons are to short for me; my outstanding large hands the grip (?)stick of the old MS SW FFB is the better choice.

But I do not know how to change the grip / stick

Can you tell to me if it is easy or very difficult to change and to mount the old MS SW FFB stick to the basic from the newer MS SW 2 FFB ?

Thank you very much for every response.

Gerhard




Originally posted by Sokol__1:
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4721/attachmentql6.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=attachmentql6.jpg)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sokol1

tagTaken2
09-16-2007, 03:01 AM
I'm not sure that is genuine... with the wink, and all.

Looks like a CH stick handle:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Cky250RTnOhnEM:http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/resource/images/products/CHF16STKUSBboxLarge.jpg

Lehnert, if you have a functioning MSFFB2, don't piss around with it. They're not getting any more available, you know.

You're German, yes?

Lehnert
09-16-2007, 06:34 AM
............

You're German, yes?

Yes, and a 64 years old Bavarian, too.

Cheers
Gerhard

tagTaken2
09-16-2007, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Lehnert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">............

You're German, yes?

Yes, and a 64 years old Bavarian, too.

Cheers
Gerhard </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grüss Gott!

Is this the older stick, that was better for your 'outstanding' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif hands?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Joystick_-_Microsoft_Sidewinder_Force_Feedback_Pro.jpg/800px-Joystick_-_Microsoft_Sidewinder_Force_Feedback_Pro.jpg

I have both MSFFB2 and MS Sidewinder FFB Pro, and the grip seems to be almost the same size.

Anyway, if you're really interested, there's a few people on here who mod the hell out of sticks... if you absolutely must meddle with yours, search and ask, I guess.