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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 04:23 PM
These are a few guidelines for helping online beginners.
I dont write this to be a showoff,but because the advice helped me. and ofcourse if the onlinegame goes smoothly without bad language ,stutters and hangups. And if it would contribute to improve the teamwork and happy gamers, well thats ok too.

If u have any contributions, comments , or questions feel free to add a line. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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1. CHECK YOUR SETTINGS! If u play on a server that dont alow home made(custom) skinns, be sure to turn of the skindownloadoption in settings and only use default skins, bcause someonelse playing may have forgot to turn his skindownload of.
If u dont u will cause stutters when your pc is exchanging data with the server ( stutters= irritation) and from some servers they will kick you when they discover u have custom skins on.( read more on greatergreen.com )(server issues )(help fight lag and stutters)
http://www.greatergreen.com/il2/

http://209.209.44.31/scripts/ikonboard/ikonboard.pl?s=eea2970f1827e56a09c4d139e3f57af6;ac t=SF;f=20
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2. PICK right server to play on! Its no fun to be shoot down all the time without seeing the enemy! And that will happen to a rookiepilot
on "near real" servers.( the aces will spot a rookie a mile away and make him leak something) on the other hand it is the best training u will get
when flying against the best, and later on u will notice that they do make misstakes too.
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3. Turn on recording allready when on the runway. examine your whole flight. You will also see who shot u down and how.
Watch the other players also so u see what tricks they use (also take off n landings)
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4. Choose a plane!?? I strongly suggest a plane with good visibility, wich is most exept bf109's and fw.
many prefer yak3. because of its good performance and best visibility in fb. Its often called a noobs plane because its easy to fly, and it was one of the best fighters.
(I ofcourse did it the wrong way.I started with the 109 and got flamed a lot, but i just liked it the most, still do)Others just hate the yak3 and start whining as soon as it appears because if all aces choose it they cant be shot down exept by accident (my reflection!)(PLZ ! Dont whine about it on this thread)

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5.read rules and mission objectives. It will only take an extra minute


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6. Sometimes newbies shoot at every plane in sight,(friendlies too)beliving its an "all kill all" game or just forgot to turn on icons, or accidentally
switched of icons.( once i accidentally turned them of so i mapped them to shift+n keys to avoid the problem)

perhaps an explanation of "near real game" icons. = U see friendly planes icons at a determined distance, but u dont see enemy icons.
(I prefer icons to "no icons"because u dont have to investegate every dot only to discover all are friendlies.)


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7. (radio / comunication) If u succeed in writing that u need help or damaged be sure to switch to to your army communication,(= only your side will se the message)
or u will get the wrong kind of "help",if at all.
Remember that if u dont get help its not because no one wants to help. they may be in combat or cant find u, or just didnt see your message.
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8. Take off!!!

before u roll out to runway, be sure to check infront of u like this: apply some power with brakes on and use rudder left or right= u will do a turn on the spot
and can avoid crashing in to other planes.( it will happen sometime)

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9. Dont fly on your own!! Hook up with a friendly. If u try escorting bombers u will notice they mostly will go low near ground.In that case dont "baloon"= cirle over the
bomber at medium altitude ,attracting enemies to you and the bomber. Try flying at same altidude doing wide s-turns along its path. in this way u dont have to fly slow.
in the turns check yor 6 with back+ up. this will go smother when experienced.

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10. Warning a friend!!! If u have time, warn a friendly trailing smoke= he will be the enemies first target and will
attract enemies to you and your bombers.
IF he is trailing thin smoke he may been overheating his
engine to long.If it happens to u just throttle down til engine normal.

U can warn a friend with an enemy on his 6 with shooting tracers in front of him (dont hit him!!)it was used in real life.


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Well thats all for now, but i will post specified topics such as "deflection shooting" " Evading enemy fire" shortly

This is knowledge ive learned by own experience and experienced shared by others. I was lucky too have people to give me advice and i try now to return the favor
So PLZ!! see the advice as suggestions.(not the big ego thing) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 04:23 PM
These are a few guidelines for helping online beginners.
I dont write this to be a showoff,but because the advice helped me. and ofcourse if the onlinegame goes smoothly without bad language ,stutters and hangups. And if it would contribute to improve the teamwork and happy gamers, well thats ok too.

If u have any contributions, comments , or questions feel free to add a line. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -



1. CHECK YOUR SETTINGS! If u play on a server that dont alow home made(custom) skinns, be sure to turn of the skindownloadoption in settings and only use default skins, bcause someonelse playing may have forgot to turn his skindownload of.
If u dont u will cause stutters when your pc is exchanging data with the server ( stutters= irritation) and from some servers they will kick you when they discover u have custom skins on.( read more on greatergreen.com )(server issues )(help fight lag and stutters)
http://www.greatergreen.com/il2/

http://209.209.44.31/scripts/ikonboard/ikonboard.pl?s=eea2970f1827e56a09c4d139e3f57af6;ac t=SF;f=20
- - - - - - - - - -

2. PICK right server to play on! Its no fun to be shoot down all the time without seeing the enemy! And that will happen to a rookiepilot
on "near real" servers.( the aces will spot a rookie a mile away and make him leak something) on the other hand it is the best training u will get
when flying against the best, and later on u will notice that they do make misstakes too.
- - - - - -


3. Turn on recording allready when on the runway. examine your whole flight. You will also see who shot u down and how.
Watch the other players also so u see what tricks they use (also take off n landings)
- - - - - - -


4. Choose a plane!?? I strongly suggest a plane with good visibility, wich is most exept bf109's and fw.
many prefer yak3. because of its good performance and best visibility in fb. Its often called a noobs plane because its easy to fly, and it was one of the best fighters.
(I ofcourse did it the wrong way.I started with the 109 and got flamed a lot, but i just liked it the most, still do)Others just hate the yak3 and start whining as soon as it appears because if all aces choose it they cant be shot down exept by accident (my reflection!)(PLZ ! Dont whine about it on this thread)

- - - - - - - - - -

5.read rules and mission objectives. It will only take an extra minute


- - - - -

6. Sometimes newbies shoot at every plane in sight,(friendlies too)beliving its an "all kill all" game or just forgot to turn on icons, or accidentally
switched of icons.( once i accidentally turned them of so i mapped them to shift+n keys to avoid the problem)

perhaps an explanation of "near real game" icons. = U see friendly planes icons at a determined distance, but u dont see enemy icons.
(I prefer icons to "no icons"because u dont have to investegate every dot only to discover all are friendlies.)


- - - - - -


7. (radio / comunication) If u succeed in writing that u need help or damaged be sure to switch to to your army communication,(= only your side will se the message)
or u will get the wrong kind of "help",if at all.
Remember that if u dont get help its not because no one wants to help. they may be in combat or cant find u, or just didnt see your message.
- - - - - - - - -


8. Take off!!!

before u roll out to runway, be sure to check infront of u like this: apply some power with brakes on and use rudder left or right= u will do a turn on the spot
and can avoid crashing in to other planes.( it will happen sometime)

- - - - - - - - -

9. Dont fly on your own!! Hook up with a friendly. If u try escorting bombers u will notice they mostly will go low near ground.In that case dont "baloon"= cirle over the
bomber at medium altitude ,attracting enemies to you and the bomber. Try flying at same altidude doing wide s-turns along its path. in this way u dont have to fly slow.
in the turns check yor 6 with back+ up. this will go smother when experienced.

- - - - - - - - - - - -

10. Warning a friend!!! If u have time, warn a friendly trailing smoke= he will be the enemies first target and will
attract enemies to you and your bombers.
IF he is trailing thin smoke he may been overheating his
engine to long.If it happens to u just throttle down til engine normal.

U can warn a friend with an enemy on his 6 with shooting tracers in front of him (dont hit him!!)it was used in real life.


- - - - - - - - - - - -


Well thats all for now, but i will post specified topics such as "deflection shooting" " Evading enemy fire" shortly

This is knowledge ive learned by own experience and experienced shared by others. I was lucky too have people to give me advice and i try now to return the favor
So PLZ!! see the advice as suggestions.(not the big ego thing) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:10 PM
ob_swe `s advice here is pretty sound and shows a good level of experience. This one point I noticed:



ob_swe wrote:

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- 6. Sometimes newbies shoot at every plane in
- sight,(friendlies too)beliving its an "all kill
- all" game or just forgot to turn on icons, or
- accidentally
- switched of icons.( once i accidentally turned them
- of so i mapped them to shift+n keys to avoid the
- problem)
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I entered one server and saw aircraft in combat. I saw no icons. I had chosen the BLUE side, chose a 109 and attacked a P39 heading for our airfield.
As I dived on him a fleeting thought told me something was wrong,
`Why haven`t the AAA opened up on him?` but by then I`d shot down the P39.

Well then came the angry voices accusing me of being a Team Killer. I realised the icon button had been switched off (cos I always play offline without icons and it had transfered here).
Well, I apologised profusely and they calmed down, but after that the pilot I`d hit just kept thinking I was out to get him for the rest of that session. NOT FUN!

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:12 PM
Here is a few of my own points of wisdom:

Learn the art of finding a good server. There is more to finding the server that's right for you than just realism settings and ping. At first it will be trial and error, but seek out hosts/ players that have proven helpful/fun in the past.

You can expand the chat window to see more of the text. Open the chat window and use your mouse to drag the corners to whatever dimensions you like. I find it helpful to have three lines of chat showing.

Sry if everyone already knows this. I was constantly missing what was being said because the text scrolled out of sight. I didn't know you could resize until I saw multiple lines of text in someone's screenshot.

Also don't be afraid to as Q's. If you're not sure about the server rules or settings just ask. Yea sometimes you'll get a smartass answer, but that's a good indication to find a friendlier server. (especially if the host is the one being the smartass)




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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 05:27 PM
Also those new to the game should brose Mudmovers (http://www.mudmovers.com). . If you have a question that isn't answered in that site then you're not a Noob anymore.



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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 07:14 PM
ob_swe wrote:
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- 9. Dont fly on your own!! Hook up with a friendly.
- If u try escorting bombers u will notice they mostly
- will go low near ground.In that case dont "baloon"=
- cirle over the
- bomber at medium altitude ,attracting enemies to you
- and the bomber. Try flying at same altidude doing
- wide s-turns along its path. in this way u dont have
- to fly slow.
- in the turns check yor 6 with back+ up. this will go
- smother when experienced.
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Don't agree with that. Fly with a friendly is ok but NEVER go low especially in a german plane. First of all you can't do too much you don't see too much and you put yourself at a disadvantage. e.g: I usually climb up to a minimum of 2500 before going to combat area. What do you want to do if a 109 attacks you in your Yak if he has such a big E advantage? maybe you can turn left or right or make the big mistake of going into a climb to catch the enemy, that's what a 109 is usually waiting for. 1. make a suprise BnZ if you miss just go up if he follows you up with less E and worse climbrate the 109 pilot already rubs his hands, waits till you start to stall and comes down to finish you off. Just my experience flying the 109.

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XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 09:50 PM
Gershy wrote:
-
- ob_swe wrote:
--
--
-- 9. Dont fly on your own!! Hook up with a friendly.
-- If u try escorting bombers u will notice they mostly
-- will go low near ground.In that case dont "baloon"=
-- cirle over the
-- bomber at medium altitude ,attracting enemies to you
-- and the bomber. Try flying at same altidude doing
-- wide s-turns along its path. in this way u dont have
-- to fly slow.
-- in the turns check yor 6 with back+ up. this will go
-- smother when experienced.
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--
-
- Don't agree with that. Fly with a friendly is ok but
- NEVER go low especially in a german plane. First of
- all you can't do too much you don't see too much and
- you put yourself at a disadvantage. e.g: I usually
- climb up to a minimum of 2500 before going to combat
- area. What do you want to do if a 109 attacks you in
- your Yak if he has such a big E advantage? maybe you
- can turn left or right or make the big mistake of
- going into a climb to catch the enemy, that's what a
- 109 is usually waiting for. 1. make a suprise BnZ if
- you miss just go up if he follows you up with less E
- and worse climbrate the 109 pilot already rubs his
- hands, waits till you start to stall and comes down
- to finish you off. Just my experience flying the
- 109.
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Thanks for the input! And I do agree to a certain point.

A boom'n zoomer could do real damage to a low flying ac, if he finds the enemy first.
Ive been shot down this way a few times, but succeded many more.
There are advantages with highflying and lowflying as well as disadvantages.

when I go low I try to use cover from the forrests and flying over open ground as little as possible.
Its hard to spot an ac against the forrest, but I can watch the whole sky because I see everything above the horizon.The minus side is ofcoarse if Im spotted.Thats where evading tecnique comes handy.Ive got some moves that work well in most situations.( I will explain those moves later )
And if u fly with a wingman u have a double set of eyes.Perhaps this even is a drag'n bag tactic to lure those aces down and try to fool them into turnfighting. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ive even scored some hits on B'nZ'ers that climb a bit early.One thing that is hard for B'nZ is to correct the attitude when the target is turning to throw him of his aim.So if you have luck in your B'nZ atacks I gratulate you. For me it really dznt work effectively. Guess I have to practice more.

Anyway Its up to everyone to choose their tactics and think about alternative ways to do their thing. Thats why discussion is so constructive. To get many views of the same problem and constantly reevaluate ones ideas.

XyZspineZyX
07-30-2003, 10:42 PM
true true you are not easy to spot when you are low, but you will not be able to at least prevent me from shooting the bomber. If the pilot is stupid enough to engage in a turnfight and gives up his advantage it's his fault. I use your tactic too when I'm going to do a Jabo attack cause you are hard to be spotted and the AAA is not so effective. If the guy doing his BnZ is patient you have a problem. Many ppl especially noobs do one or 2 dive attacks and if they are not successful enter a turnfight which results in their death. You will not be able to get some ppl to enter turnfights. Even if i miss you 5 times I'd rather try again or go for someone else than go down and fight low. I personally only do that when i see the guy has no chance anyway.

btw as we are collecting hints for noobs here:

1. try try try

2. If someone is fighting with an enemy and the enemy is already smoking DON't even think of shooting him. Might happen by an accident sometimes but don't steal kills. I hate when you shoot someone and see his plane is nearly done and i turn away to give him a chance to bail and then someone comes and puts holes into an empty plane

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 12:01 PM
Again I have to agree with your arguments.

Gershy wrote:
- true true you are not easy to spot when you are low,
- but you will not be able to at least prevent me from
- shooting the bomber.
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Yes the most obvious target would be the bomber. And the problem with most escorts was that they almost never could stop an enemies first pass.And there was often only one pass and then dive away (over Germany ).Then the fighters would regroup and attack bombers homebound ( damaged),and of course there were several sections of fighters waiting for the bombers all the way to target.

One escort fighter is better then nothing. and in RL i bet they made bomberguys a bit more confident.

If Im escorting I try to warn the bomber or/and alert him with tracers if the bandit is on attack run. then I do my best to anoy the fo, trying to throw him of aim, and long distance deflection bursts, and some times it works.
An ace knows there is no way for me to climb after him, so if he gets a few hits he will roll and give me his thinnest profil and continue climbing to safety. But if he brakes of his climb he might be unsure if he will make it, or if he underestimated the number of escorts, or severly hurt /damaged or just acted on reflex. Then u can assume he's not an ace and get the upper hand of the situation
( no guaranties, just a thought)

Then there is some things a bomber can do. Master evaision tactics and use the snipergunners. Ive seen interviews with He-111 pilots who did loops and spinns to get out of harms way. The best thing is to remain undetected as long as possible.
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Gershy wrote:

- 2. If someone is fighting with an enemy and the
- enemy is already smoking DON't even think of
- shooting him. Might happen by an accident sometimes
- but don't steal kills. I hate when you shoot someone
- and see his plane is nearly done and i turn away to
- give him a chance to bail and then someone comes and
- puts holes into an empty plane

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Yes Really anoying sometimes when after a good fight some1else claims your kill . Ive many times have left badly smoking or burning planes giving the foe a chance to bail, just to see others bring him down.I especially like those "kills"where my foe succeeds to ditch his ac. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Very funny to watch such tracks.

I must confess that Ive shot down smoking ac's and later discovered they were empty.Sometimes its hard to tell!

Thnx for the discussion!

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 01:17 PM
Nice work ob_swe !

How 'bout providing a list of explanations of the most used acronyms ? rtb, lol, c6, etc etc..?

Interesting approach the "hiding" approach. Maybe I should try it once.

RGDS

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 01:56 PM
Can you give some general advice on how to handle a head on merge? (not necessarily online, but AI opp as well) I fly in RL, have been civil simming for a while, can pull out of most spins/stalls but just can't seem to ever keep the advantage. And it usually starts with a head on merge. The AI either gets behind me first, or I get an early advantage with better E, but then blow it by whizzing by him and before I know it, he is on my six. The only time I'm successful is when he uses all his ammo and then tries to get away. I try and be patient in campaigns, but before I know it, all my wingman are gone and I'm fighting 3-1 odds.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 02:01 PM
Here's one of my suggestions:

When someone says "S!" after shooting you down tell them to go fu*k themselves.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 02:10 PM
Oh and:

LOL = Laughing out loud
RTB = Return to Base
ROFL = Rolling on floor laughing
NS = Nice shot
DOUBL-EWWW -TF = What the fu*k
WTH = What the hell
M8 = Mate
gtg = got to go
l8r = later
gj = good job
GF = good fight
GG = good game
nt = nice try (no text)
gl = good luck
S! = I'm a fu*king idiot.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 04:21 PM
bump



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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 04:53 PM
Valcor07 wrote:
- Can you give some general advice on how to handle a
- head on merge? (not necessarily online, but AI opp
- as well) I fly in RL, have been civil simming for a
- while, can pull out of most spins/stalls but just
- can't seem to ever keep the advantage. And it
- usually starts with a head on merge. The AI either
- gets behind me first, or I get an early advantage
- with better E, but then blow it by whizzing by him
- and before I know it, he is on my six. The only
- time I'm successful is when he uses all his ammo and
- then tries to get away. I try and be patient in
- campaigns, but before I know it, all my wingman are
- gone and I'm fighting 3-1 odds.

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I got that problem too! so I dunno how much my advice is worth, but this is a reflection:

Ai aces can conserve speed in hard turns. they also are ace marksmen and kan hit u in inverted flightmanouvers.

I've noticed that ai aces will brake when taking small hit on head on pass so i start shooting at great distance or else he will "snipe" me.
If he brakes he seems easier to handle.

If u get behind ai planes its easier to shoot them down than online pilots because they dont do so violent manouvers such as "bunting"(push stick forward) and then pulling, making wavelike movements, wich is very hard to hit.
Another thing Is to use long distance deflection shots to damage ai planes (at beginnig long bursts"3sec")( takes some practice though)( im doing movies on this subject and hope to post soon).

A third thing is that I order my wingman to attack first and I go after him making the deflection shots.

A 4th is to practice your self to conserve speed, to make smallest turn possible ( comforting advice isnt it?)

Ai aces are snipers so I prefer online games because most pilots make mistakes, even the aces.

It also depends alot what plane u and your opponent fly.

In any furball u apprach u must calculate wich plane is the best to attack. dont linger to long.

G√ľnther Rall( famous german ace) said in an interview once
that U havent allways the favor to choose your position in a fight " You are in, you have to see how You come out"

that says alot!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I really try practicing in quick combat against mostly average AI. Its easier to position my self for deflection shooting. trying different amount of lead at different distances and then watch track and evaluate.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 05:24 PM
Manos1 wrote:

- How 'bout providing a list of explanations of the
- most used acronyms ? rtb, lol, c6, etc etc..?

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Yes! good suggestion !! PLZ add


The old salut (s) (-s-) ( s!) I've allways thought this was a good way of saying well done or thanks after a good fight! downed or not.


Nowadays the salut seems more like
"I'm laughing at u and Your tiny efforts " or "U s*ck" or???

I would like to use:

-Clear runway Emergency landing ( seem to need it often)

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 05:36 PM
In online headons i do either of the following:

#1:Chicken race, not really recommended but a 50/50 chance. Also depends what plane im in, the heavier armament the better of course.

#2:Barrelroll, they always miss. Unfortunatly you wont be able to take a shot at the enemy either.

#3 If im on vvs side i sometimes start turning behind him even before he passed me, this is a calculated risk wich depends on good timing. You might end up beeing shot down, but the earlier you start turning the sooner youll end up behind him, i usually make a diving turn to gain engergy. Also its important to keep him in sight so you dont loose track of him if he turns after he passed you.

But in general, i avoid headons.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:11 PM
georgeo76 wrote:

- You can expand the chat window to see more of the
- text. Open the chat window and use your mouse to
- drag the corners to whatever dimensions you like. I
- find it helpful to have three lines of chat showing.

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I've played for a while, but missed this.

this will help! Thnx lots!

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 11:20 PM
evasive manouvers nr 1.


the small profile manouver!!!
--------------------------

It is good tactic to give the enemy as little as possible
to fire at. Instead of showing your big broad wings show only your profile.

Example:
--------
You are flying a fw190 and diving on an enemy plane from above and behind.
After your pass dont just pull upp in a climb in front of
his guns even if u have some distance between u and speed.
If the foe is an ace he might sacrifice his speed and pull hard to get some deflectionshots at you and bring u down.

So when u enter your climb back to safe hights make a small roll to one side so the side (profile)of your ac is facing the enemy and go abit diagonally instead of straight up.
this will make u a smaller and less predictible target.and if he hits u'r ac its probably not in your vulnerable wings.

this is a very good manouver to use in climbs and dives or any other situation where the wings are exposed.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 12:19 AM
Head ons: You can try that one helps a lot@

Take a Bf109F and 4 russians. La5Fn is nice. set them to ace.

Now:

As usual QMB both same level they will appear on 12 or 1 o'clock. Go straight to get speed. When they are getting close(here you need some feeling. you'll find out about the right moment if you try a bit just let them come as close as possible before they fire.) Push your nose down a bit and make a slight left turn ( just 1 or 2 secs) then Make a spiral climb to the right. they will lose speed because of the turn follow you but will not be able to, go into vertical till your speed is near stall. use rudder turn and go down on the helpless planes.

I gave up engaging in head ons ingame and online. Try this thing till you can do it without them fring a single shot.

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 07:49 AM
I thought S! ment Solute. But then again im still new.

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2003, 04:03 PM
Gershy, that was some great head on advice. I will certainly try that, as head-ons always seem to leave me at the disadvantage. Thanks!