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Owlsphone
01-20-2005, 02:45 AM
A few of us had the privilege of watching egos clash last night as if a gang war were erupting.

The trash talk got so heated that one of the players said you name the place and the plane and I will be there. That place was T-14 @ 9k. A bunch of us wanted to see the fight, so we came up with the idea to call a temporary truce between the blues and the reds. Non-combatants would puff smoke and sport xmas lights while the two fighters go bare.

Half of us were too lazy to get up to 9k so it was agreed that 5k would suffice. Half of WarClouds climbs to T14 5k and for a few brief minutes a Fish piloting a Focke-Wulf flew side-by-side with a Fox in a Mustang. Smoke spiraled around the combat area as the paying customers peer out at the planes without lights or smoke. I was expecting us to break out into spontaneous song and dance, snapping our fingers to the beat.

The fight began. It was a great fight, spiraling down from the heavens to the deck. Yours truely got kicked from the server for god knows why. I haul a$$ back in and takeoff. Fortunately I didn't miss much. The fight was still raging and almost immediately when I returned the Dora driver gets the Spit smoking. There was the random 109 that sliced through the group and fired upon nav lit planes. A couple of passes later the Dora gets the final hits on the Spit and it noses in.

The salutes begin. A really great fight just took place. What's this? The Spit driver calls out "No S". He says he got shot down due to stutter.

Oh boy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif The former spit driver wants a rematch. After some trash talk, another fight breaks out. I didn't get to see this one as it was more private, but I do know that the spit got to pick the planes...and he lost again. No S again he claims. Someone else shot him first so it doesn't count.

The duel reminded me of a mix between a crazy western or West Side Story...basically just about the most insane event I've witnessed in a game. Great fun and GAU-8 got a track for those that couldn't afford the seats.

Great flying Locust.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-20-2005, 02:54 AM
Haha..... Yes that was some fun, I realy didnt expect to see a post about that brawl here but its kinda cool....

The spit driver was a blue flyer and was saying spits are noob Planes, thats why the switch of ac & the showdown was set. He is a good Pilot no doubt but a well flown dora can take a spit any day of the week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S^ Fredric Catch you in the skys

PS. thx for the post Fox

robban75
01-20-2005, 03:31 AM
Great read Owlsphone, sounded like real party! Wish I was there to see it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Man, it's hard to write when the cat is laying all over the keyboard! Yeah, that's right kitty keep on purring! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

BBB_Hyperion
01-20-2005, 03:34 AM
Was there, great fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif couldnt see much from 12 k tho

269GA-Maxmars
01-20-2005, 04:58 AM
The track! Give us the track! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tigertalon
01-20-2005, 05:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Maxmars:
The track! Give us the track! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, I wan't it too. I never flew D9, I'm trying it last days... need help.

Lucius_Esox
01-20-2005, 05:16 AM
Sounds cool wish I had seen it.


The spit driver was a blue flyer and was saying spits are noob Planes, thats why the switch of ac & the showdown was set. He is a good Pilot no doubt but a well flown dora can take a spit any day of the week

Even though I wasn't there a I suspect a well flown Spit can take down a Dora any day of the week as well. As someone else said it's not the m/c its the pilot

Dont be so modest Locust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AWL_Spinner
01-20-2005, 07:47 AM
Was on both GG and WC a bit last night but left when the namecalling started.

Wish I'd stayed on now!

DOES anyone have a track?

Owlsphone
01-20-2005, 08:41 AM
GAU-8 recorded a track. We'll see if we can get it up on the web somewhere.

You're welcome Locust http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

tigertalon
01-20-2005, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As someone else said it's not the m/c its the pilot

Dont be so modest Locust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I must disagree. If you have unexperienced pilots, then yea, the better one will win (if you have somebody who flew in Il2 one hour and one with 20 hours, the latter will win, no matter what they are flying).

But if you have really experienced pilots, flying a few years every single day, then it almost all comes down to a pilot. No matter how experienced you are, if I give you Bf109E and the other really experienced guy La7 or Ki84 or Yak3, you WILL go down, that's the fact. Of course, with planes more equal, it comes again to pilots, but if they are really really good, it comes to plane again. And in this case I'm with Locust on this one as IMHO D9 is superior to SpitMkIX.

Owlsphone
01-20-2005, 09:38 AM
The point of the fight was though that Locust was being called a noob for flying Spit XIII. In fact, he was mopping the floor with blues in that Spit.

When the fight came around and they both switched planes, it changed somehow to a Spit IX HF. He got beat flying what he called a noob plane. [shrugs]

Probably the funniest part was once the fight was over, someone over the chat bar yelled "Truce over" and we had 15 planes in one area. I had to ask, what do I do now that I am alone with 4 109s around me? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I fought bravely. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-20-2005, 09:56 AM
Gau 8 has a track Ill try to get it from him

stathem
01-20-2005, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As someone else said it's not the m/c its the pilot

Dont be so modest Locust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in this case I'm with Locust on this one as IMHO D9 is superior to SpitMkIX. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it is. Wait till the XIV gets here.

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As someone else said it's not the m/c its the pilot

Dont be so modest Locust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in this case I'm with Locust on this one as IMHO D9 is superior to SpitMkIX. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it is. Wait till the XIV gets here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep
IX climbs better tho, so u can get alt advantage, 190 can run *cough* extend away at will tho

XIV will give lw fliers a new set of brown pants/trousers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JG7_Rall
01-20-2005, 10:39 AM
The track!!! We want the track!!!

robban75
01-20-2005, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stathem:
Wait till the XIV gets here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The XIV will be faster that's all, much heavier, same bad high speed handling, and poorer turning ability.

In this sim, the IX is probably a tougher nut to crack than the XIV ever will be IMO. And I stress IMO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

GoToAway
01-20-2005, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
The track!!! We want the track!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed. I'd like to see this track as well. I've been flying on War Clouds a lot lately, but I skipped last night. Would have been fun to watch.

notgoodknight
01-20-2005, 11:08 AM
This sounds interesting. You know in world war 1, they would actually do this sort of thing. Call a truce so 2 pilots could go at it and see who was best. Im half glad I wasn't involved though. Im taking a break from the drama and trying to keep my mouth closed at the moment.

MEGILE
01-20-2005, 11:08 AM
Official Luftwaffle response

"reds have uber planes, blue have uber pilots!"

Sounds like real life http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

WOLFMondo
01-20-2005, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stathem:
Wait till the XIV gets here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The XIV will be faster that's all, much heavier, same bad high speed handling, and poorer turning ability.

In this sim, the IX is probably a tougher nut to crack than the XIV ever will be IMO. And I stress IMO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe..maybe not...the 412mph @ 44,000ft ceiling will certainly be a pain in the *** for all those Ta152 jocks. It will have to be flown smart anyway. Tempest + XIV team ups will be very interesting.

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 12:04 PM
speed, faster by 30-35mph at all heights (50ish kph?)

slightly better climb and zoom climb

turning circles are identicle

sighting view is better slightly

dive is better too

from spitfire test http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif XIV vs IX

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 12:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stathem:
Wait till the XIV gets here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The XIV will be faster that's all, much heavier, same bad high speed handling, and poorer turning ability.

In this sim, the IX is probably a tougher nut to crack than the XIV ever will be IMO. And I stress IMO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe..maybe not...the 412mph @ 44,000ft ceiling will certainly be a pain in the *** for all those Ta152 jocks. It will have to be flown smart anyway. Tempest + XIV team ups will be very interesting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

from 0 to 10,000ft tempest 20mph faster, little to choose till 22,000 where XIV is 30-40mph faster

climb
tempest not in the same class as spitfire XIV, but considerably better zoom climb

dive
tempest gains on XIV

roll
XIV rolls faster below 300mph, slower above 350mph

turn

XIV easily out turns tempest

we are getting mark 22 spitfire too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

robban75
01-20-2005, 12:16 PM
Hmm, well the XIV was more than half a ton heavier than the IX. If that didn't change the turningability between the two one bit, then there's something really magical about the Spitfire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

faustnik
01-20-2005, 12:33 PM
Sorry P1ngu, I don't buy they turn deal either. Not that it matter to a plane with as much speed and climb as the Spit XIV. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 12:34 PM
yep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
its worse handling, less warning of stall

probably has a higher skid angle,

spitfire IS magical anyways, supermarine was setup by a man who bet he could get a pilots licence. in a week? a day? nope, before breakfast, and he did http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

plus rolls royce engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif, the class, and the sound would massage the air as it travels over the plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

stathem
01-20-2005, 12:48 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to start an argument.

btw, Pingu, Gyro gunsight on both?

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 01:21 PM
yes XIV had gryo gunsight, icefire is lookin for info onit for XIV cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

mk22 will be 10-12mph faster, everything else will be slight, apart from turn, which will be worse. im going off mark21 info, mk22 is same, but bubble canopy, bigger rudder, i think

torque wing gives better roll above 300mph, and 4 hispanos http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

faustnik is right, ull probably be more bnzy in XIV, cos of extra performance

stathem
01-20-2005, 02:54 PM
Thanks Pingu, I'll keep my eye out for any info.
I'll try to learn BnZin, doesn't come easy to a Glad pilot thou' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 02:58 PM
tis easy, mostly u need height over enemy, dive, shoot, up into climb/ extend away

gladiator will over rev engine, thats the only issue. i bnz in zero and ki43 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

u can dive behind opponent say 500metres, and get a dead 6 shot too

KGr.HH-Sunburst
01-20-2005, 03:08 PM
im gonna have a field trip against all those late spit drivers in my D9,IMO most spit jocks arnt all that good and when they gonna fly the spit mkXIV nothing will change for the LW ,they will go faster turn worse and stall even earlier LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

what most allieds forget is that the LW is used to fight against uber La7s yak3 etc with uber climb and turn so what difference will a spitty or tempest make?
you guys wanna have uber late war planes ,fine ill wait for you in a 262 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 03:24 PM
vs yak/la u drag em high

what u gonna do against tempest and XIV?

ill write more after im back from ze shops

fausnik/robban check pm's, faus u may find nuffin tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Marc-David
01-20-2005, 03:31 PM
Ahem, eh, where was the track again of this amazing encounter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yours, MD

Von_Rat
01-20-2005, 04:45 PM
in real life was the spit14 faster than d9 at all alts, same question for tempest.

don't use in game speeds of d9, as i understand they are bugged.

Nubarus
01-20-2005, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Hmm, well the XIV was more than half a ton heavier than the IX. If that didn't change the turningability between the two one bit, then there's something really magical about the Spitfire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TACTICAL COMPARISON WITH SPITFIRE IX

13. The tactical differences are caused chiefly by the fact that the Spitfire XIV has an engine of greater capacity and is the heavier aircraft (weighing 8,400 lbs. against 7,480 lbs. of Spitfire IX).

Range & Endurance
14. The Spitfire XIV, without a long-range tank, carries 110 gallons of fuel and 9 gallons of oil. When handled similarily, the Spitfire XIV uses fuel at about 1 1/4 times the rate of the Spitfire IX. Its endurance is therefore slightly less. Owing to its higher speed for corresponding engine settings, its range is about equal. For the same reasons, extra fuel carried in a long-range tank keeps its range about equal to that of the Spitfire IX, its endurance being slightly less.

Speeds
15. At all heights the Spitfire XIV is 30-35 mph faster in level flight. The best performance heights are similar, being just below 15,000 and between 25,000 and 32,000 ft.

Climb
16. The Spitfire XIV has a slightly better maximum climb than the Spitfire IX, having the best maximum rate of climb yet seen at this Unit. In the zoom climb the Spitfire XIV gains slightly all the way, especially if full throttle is used in the climb.

Dive
17. The Spitfire XIV will pull away from the Spitfire IX in a dive.

Turning Circle
18. The turning circles of both aircraft are identical. The Spitfire XIV appears to turn slightly better to port than it does to starbord. The warning of an approaching high speed stall is less pronounced in the case of the Spitfire Mk XIV.

Rate of Roll
19. Rate of roll is very much the same.

Search View and Rear View
20. The search view from the pilot's cockpit is good; the longer nose of the aircraft interferes with the all-round visibility, which remains the same as that of the Spitfire IX. Rear View is similar.

Sighting View and Fire Power
21. The sighting view is slightly better being 4 deg (140 m.p.h.) as against 3 1/3 deg. The two bulges at the side cause little restriction. The firepower is identical with the Spitfire IX.

Armour
22. As for the Spitfire IX

Conclusions
23. The all-round performance of the Spitfire XIV is better than the Spitfire IX at all heights. In level flight it is 25-35 m.p.h. faster and has a correspondingly greater rate of climb. Its manoeuvrability is as good as a Spitfire IX. It is easy to fly but should be handled with care when taxying and taking off.

Source (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14afdu.html)

biggs222
01-20-2005, 05:16 PM
Ping is 100% right about the sights, in fact the later MKIXe's were given the Gyro sights, so TECHNICALLY, the mkIXe should have teh gyro sight, but i suppose that would be splitting hairs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

but yes i suppect the MKXIV will have the overall advantage over pretty much every LW prop Plane.

get ready to suffer LW lovers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

that is, if the mkXIV gets finished. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Von_Rat
01-20-2005, 06:09 PM
overall advantage ,maybe, but is it faster than d9 at all or any alts.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
01-20-2005, 06:38 PM
the spitfire isnt a real tread now and wont be when later versions come up

why? ..no not plane performance ..pilot skill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
now where did i leave my 262 ..oh yes its banned
now that we can control numbers by plane type somewhat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

buglord
01-20-2005, 07:11 PM
Yep i was there too i was flying around in my b25 watching it & when it was finished all hell broke loose , great fun, well done locust.S~
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/mrbuglord-shotdown.jpg

stathem
01-20-2005, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
the spitfire isnt a real tread now and wont be when later versions come up

why? ..no not plane performance ..pilot skill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
now where did i leave my 262 ..oh yes its banned
now that we can control numbers by plane type somewhat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So everytime a IX downs a Dora or K-4, it's down to superior pilot skill? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Sound.

p1ngu666
01-20-2005, 10:18 PM
d9 faster, k4 faster and better climb
so yep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

anyways, XIV was in active squadron service in jan/feb 44

roughly half a year before d9, and mw50 109s

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

late 43, early to mid 44 was a sucky time tobe in the lw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

so its XIV vs g6, g6late? and 190a6 i think, ooo how the tables turn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BBB_Hyperion
01-20-2005, 11:07 PM
Hmm wasnt someone starting a license issue for raf symbols and plane names http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif .

We all know brits had the finest planes in the world , they just like to see how much others struggle in less advanced planes to compete .)

GAU-8
01-20-2005, 11:30 PM
ok i got the track, just need to see if its easier to email those that want it, or put up in my website ive never worked on. whichever easier. but i need help, dont know how to upload, etc to a website, and have it a clickable link or whatever. please tell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i watched the track a few times, being NTRK i think it looks ok, the fight between the two combatants i dont think is mared by any abnormalties in the track. i am right behind locust, and it starts (the fight)round a minute or so after track start. at the end, i do lose sight of him (low on deck, and another 190 with no lights nearby) so i suggest switching to external view to locust or freidrick. several close close close calls.. or it looks that way in F6 mode

good fight to both!

robban75
01-20-2005, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Rat:
in real life was the spit14 faster than d9 at all alts, same question for tempest.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hardly. Compared to the XIV the B4 fueled D-9 was faster from SL up to at least 5000m. At SL it was faster with a good margin. With C3 fuel the speed difference was even more pronounced.

The Tempest is another matter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ImpStarDuece
01-21-2005, 12:20 AM
Strange question Robban but is that compression vapor or a con trail in your sig pic?

Looking at it, I can't help but wonder if it is compression, and if it how in the world you managed to get it coming off you LEADING edge???

BBB_Hyperion
01-21-2005, 12:21 AM
Anyone can comment on this ?

No evidence has yet been found that +25 lbs boost was employed in service by Spitfire XIV squadrons prior to VE day. Even at +25 lbs. the Spitfire XIV still fell short of the sea level performance of the Tempest V and highly boosted Mustangs. Ceding the low altitude role to those types, the Spitfire XIV happily carried out its medium and high altitude role providing her pilots the confidence to "mix it" with any opposition that came their way.

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 12:41 AM
XIV some 30ish mph faster than IX tho...

so if dora is faster at some alts, its a **** sight better than what IX drivers have now.
i think speed will change, 1 faster at certain heights, the other, at other heights



21lb boost was used on XIV

apart from russian uber planes like la7 and yak3 and i185, luftwaffe guys have had it relitivly easy, mustang and p47 are potent too

english had some of the best, and some of the worst planes in ww2, along with some average planes. i do expect tobe shot down in late war raf planes, im a **** pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. itll be harder tho for lw, and with good raf pilots about, which there are http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, i expect if i set up business selling german brown trousers, id do rather well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 12:43 AM
robban, check ur pm's also http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WOLFMondo
01-21-2005, 12:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
im gonna have a field trip against all those late spit drivers in my D9,IMO most spit jocks arnt all that good and when they gonna fly the spit mkXIV nothing will change for the LW ,they will go faster turn worse and stall even earlier LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

what most allieds forget is that the LW is used to fight against uber La7s yak3 etc with uber climb and turn so what difference will a spitty or tempest make?
you guys wanna have uber late war planes ,fine ill wait for you in a 262 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Tempest under 20,000ft is faster than both of those and has 4 20mm Hispano's .Think D9 with real firepower and a bit more speed :P and the XIV climbs better than anything and can go all the way up and past any LW planes maximum ceiling. Both used correctly will be very good fighters and give the RAF guys there true 1944/1945 planes which they do not have right now. LW guys have there uber late war planes now its going the playing field is going to be made levelhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Have your 262 as long as theres 1 per map:P. Tempests and XIV's filled the interceptor role of the 2nd Taf in 44/45. 262's filled hangers and camoflage netting waiting for bomber conversion :P.

tigertalon
01-21-2005, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Strange question Robban but is that compression vapor or a con trail in your sig pic?

Looking at it, I can't help but wonder if it is compression, and if it how in the world you managed to get it coming off you LEADING edge??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you look carefully you will also see that it extends behind the wing... so it is probably a contrail of somebody flying below him.

tigertalon
01-21-2005, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As someone else said it's not the m/c its the pilot

Dont be so modest Locust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I must disagree. If you have unexperienced pilots, then yea, the better one will win (if you have somebody who flew in Il2 one hour and one with 20 hours, the latter will win, no matter what they are flying).

But if you have really experienced pilots, flying a few years every single day, then it almost all comes down to a pilot. No matter how experienced you are, if I give you Bf109E and the other really experienced guy La7 or Ki84 or Yak3, you WILL go down, that's the fact. Of course, with planes more equal, it comes again to pilots, but if they are really really good, it comes to plane again. And in this case I'm with Locust on this one as IMHO D9 is superior to SpitMkIX. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, dear, I made a mistake, it should be PLANE not PILOT there... So, post should be like that:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As someone else said it's not the m/c its the pilot

Dont be so modest Locust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I must disagree. If you have unexperienced pilots, then yea, the better one will win (if you have somebody who flew in Il2 one hour and one with 20 hours, the latter will win, no matter what they are flying).

But if you have really experienced pilots, flying a few years every single day, then it almost all comes down to a <span class="ev_code_RED">PLANE</span>. No matter how experienced you are, if I give you Bf109E and the other really experienced guy La7 or Ki84 or Yak3, you WILL go down, that's the fact, and vice versa, so it does depend almost completely on the PLANE (unless the other guys makes terribly stupid mistake). Of course, with planes more equal, more importance comes again to pilots, but if they are really really good, there is still majority in the PLANE. And in this case I'm with Locust on this one as IMHO D9 is superior to SpitMkIX.

MEGILE
01-21-2005, 03:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> so its XIV vs g6, g6late? and 190a6 i think, ooo how the tables turn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't think the blue-only pilots would appreciate a realistic Spring '44 planeset.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Better to have a 44-45 Planeset, so we can all be uber together, and no complaining http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

robban75
01-21-2005, 06:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Strange question Robban but is that compression vapor or a con trail in your sig pic?

Looking at it, I can't help but wonder if it is compression, and if it how in the world you managed to get it coming off you LEADING edge??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a contrail of one of the Mustangs I was fighting against during that engagement! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

robban75
01-21-2005, 06:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
robban, check ur pm's also http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got it p1ngu, thanks! Will read through it thoroughly when I get home from work! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Lucius_Esox
01-21-2005, 06:20 AM
Realistic planesets. Back to the full real argument again maybe? For full real we would have blue outnumbered by about 10-1 (more?)after about mid 44 with a lot of the pilots being "noobs"

Stalin: "Quantity has a quality all of it's own"

VW-IceFire
01-21-2005, 07:25 AM
Yeah the Spit XIV will be a fun one. Its nearly done too so cross your fingers and toes.

Yes it should have the gyro gunsight barring any difficulties (some were equipped with the older gunsight too). Introduction into squadron service was in early 1944 at a similar time to the Tempest. From that point on, the XIV is a dangerous opponent to the Luftwaffe.

As for handling...if you notice the difference between the Mark V and the VIII for instance then you will probably see a similar difference for VIII to XIV. The XIV's stall came on quicker and more violently, the aircraft would mush in manuvers moreso than the earlier versions, but turn rate was reportedly the same. What will be different is the skill and co-ordination required to hold a XIV into the same turn as you would get out of a VIII or V...likely few or none will be able to get it. Still doesn't negate that the turn will be good for a high powered fighter but it may not be quite as good for the average pilot. The extra weight is surely in some regards set off by the extra power.

What the XIV is special for is the climb rate and speed...and operating altitude. Having a XIV/Tempest V duo is what will really be special!

Monty_Thrud
01-21-2005, 11:04 AM
And heres a few pics ...just so you don't forget...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/spit22promo.jpg

[img]http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/spitxiv.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/Spit22.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania/Tempest_08.jpg

Owlsphone
01-21-2005, 11:08 AM
Is that 450 mph @ 1900 ft, or 19,000?

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 11:43 AM
19,000ft
1900ft will still be in the below 400mph bit, 1 sec

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 11:47 AM
be about 370ish

sl 363
4,000ft 385

i think dora does 370mphish at sl ingame
but its a big step over IX, for sure

Owlsphone
01-21-2005, 11:54 AM
Then that picture has false advertising.


Thanks p1ngu for the correction.

Von_Rat
01-21-2005, 12:10 PM
are you sure that spit14 outclimbs k4.

as for finding a major server with spit14s against g6 or g6late,,,lol good luck.

it'll be like finding a major server with axis jets.

Diablo310th
01-21-2005, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> so its XIV vs g6, g6late? and 190a6 i think, ooo how the tables turn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't think the blue-only pilots would appreciate a realistic Spring '44 planeset.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Better to have a 44-45 Planeset, so we can all be uber together, and no complaining http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I agree.....so give me my P-47M/N.

Fish6891
01-21-2005, 12:23 PM
Dora will r0xx0r' all of them, Dora will r0xx0r' the Tempest, Dora will r0xx0r' the spit14, Dora r0xx0rz everything. K4? 262? PPSHHHH boiiiiiiii, just gimme ma'Dora! :P

(Tempest will be cool tho, kind of Focke-Wulfy. Won't steer me away from me Dora but it'll most likely be my favorite allied A/C when comes out . I bet Mondo will favorite the Tempest over the Dora http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif, but then again Mondo always fancies the FAT ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 01:27 PM
tempest isnt fat tbh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fish6891
01-21-2005, 01:36 PM
Fine.....RELATIVELY fat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 01:42 PM
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit14v109.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

MEGILE
01-21-2005, 01:43 PM
D9 is like an ugly woman with a big nose..

Tempest is like a fine woman, with nice thighs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

http://aerostories.free.fr/pilotes/france/vaissier/tempest501Sq_01.JPG

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Yeah I agree.....so give me my P-47M/N. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would give me great pleasure to do so Diablo, however I cannot.

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
Fine.....RELATIVELY fat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah or average or slightly plump

but your the fat expert... found this pic of urmum

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/8336/carfat.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fish6891
01-21-2005, 01:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifYou Cretin you!

(btw, D9 is the most beautiful fighter out there, Tempest is like a woman so fat she got a turkey throat :P)

P.S. (I don't really think that about the Tempest, I like the craft, but u insulted me Dora :P)

robban75
01-21-2005, 02:10 PM
And where is that track! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifYou Cretin you!

(btw, D9 is the most beautiful fighter out there, Tempest is like a woman so fat she got a turkey throat :P)

P.S. (I don't really think that about the Tempest, I like the craft, but u insulted me Dora :P) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i insulted your mother http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, not the dora...

guess we know what he loves more now tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
01-21-2005, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
Dora will r0xx0r' all of them, Dora will r0xx0r' the Tempest, Dora will r0xx0r' the spit14, Dora r0xx0rz everything. K4? 262? PPSHHHH boiiiiiiii, just gimme ma'Dora! :P

(Tempest will be cool tho, kind of Focke-Wulfy. Won't steer me away from me Dora but it'll most likely be my favorite allied A/C when comes out . I bet Mondo will favorite the Tempest over the Dora http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif, but then again Mondo always fancies the FAT ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing wrong with liking fat planeshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Tempest ain't fat anyway. The Jug is fat.:P The Jug is like that American football player from the 80's, the Fridge, the Tempest is like that New Zealand rugby player Jonah Lomu.

Owlsphone
01-21-2005, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
And where is that track! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GAU-8 is working on getting that up on the web somewhere. I'm sure he'll post here when he does.

AFJ_Locust
01-21-2005, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU-8:
ok i got the track, just need to see if its easier to email those that want it, or put up in my website ive never worked on. whichever easier. but i need help, dont know how to upload, etc to a website, and have it a clickable link or whatever. please tell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i watched the track a few times, being NTRK i think it looks ok, the fight between the two combatants i dont think is mared by any abnormalties in the track. i am right behind locust, and it starts (the fight)round a minute or so after track start. at the end, i do lose sight of him (low on deck, and another 190 with no lights nearby) so i suggest switching to external view to locust or freidrick. several close close close calls.. or it looks that way in F6 mode

good fight to both! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Gau If you can e mail me the track I can Host it probly.

The fight was very close indead many times he dam near had me.

Granted tho he had 9000m altitude to start with & I was a lil above 7000m when he took my six.

All in all it was a good fight not preaty but... well fighting spits that have altitude is tough work, altho it didnt take much to get him to blow his E out Thx heavens. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Gau Use this...... ITS Free!!! And very fast.

http://s5.yousendit.com/

Use this e mail to send it too

zmarinaro1969@hotmail.com

Fish6891
01-21-2005, 09:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifYou Cretin you!

(btw, D9 is the most beautiful fighter out there, Tempest is like a woman so fat she got a turkey throat :P)

P.S. (I don't really think that about the Tempest, I like the craft, but u insulted me Dora :P) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i insulted your mother http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, not the dora...

guess we know what he loves more now tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, I was responding to you and megile as if you were one. I love me mummy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif, even more than I love the Dora.......a little http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

P.S. (Me mummy is prettier than urs I bet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

p1ngu666
01-21-2005, 09:42 PM
she probably is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
dont like me mum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

robban75
01-22-2005, 11:18 AM
Bumping this! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-22-2005, 04:02 PM
Bump At Gau

Read above gau

AFJ_Locust
01-23-2005, 09:41 PM
Bump At Gau

JG7_Rall
01-24-2005, 03:32 PM
Track track track!!

AFJ_Locust
01-26-2005, 01:01 AM
Ok a quick explanation of the senario

Fredric was upset with the spits He was calling them noob ac

I told him there not that great and that id trade him aircraft & we could meet at 9000m
then some of the players asked if we could do the fight at 7000m I said ok & met in the pre agreed upon grid @ 7000m, Fredric was at 9000m tho .... & the fight begins.

Gau 8 recorded the track I wish I would have cuz theres no cockpit view of the fight only external sorry,

Im the Dora with NO LIGHTS Fredric is the Spit with no lights makeing contrails above me when the track begins, non combatants have lights & smoke on well almost all.

and heres the track like I said its not preaty but it worked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=29X0HPI6ELK5A2SP4R7UST2E2K

p1ngu666
01-26-2005, 02:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BBB_Hyperion
01-26-2005, 06:20 AM
Just saw it and i must say lucky that the spit driver cant aim .) He had more than 1 time the chance to hit.

AFJ_Locust
01-26-2005, 10:42 AM
Yep he had plenty of chances & he actualy did shoot me but hit armor.

I wasent Counting on him being at 9000m in an HF Spit, I was flying VIII on Allied, He was in a Dora. He said lets change AC so I picked a Dora Not a K4, But he took the HF not the VIII

If we would have been at Co-Altitude at start the fight would have been alot differant especialy if he would have been in the VIII as he was supposed to be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No matter he still bought the farm

Lucius_Esox
01-26-2005, 04:19 PM
I enjoyed watching that! More more more.

Gibbage1
01-26-2005, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Hmm, well the XIV was more than half a ton heavier than the IX. If that didn't change the turningability between the two one bit, then there's something really magical about the Spitfire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then explain how the late 109's out-turn early 109's?

jung0l
01-26-2005, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the track, and thanks for the You-Send it link..thats a good utility

Lemky
01-26-2005, 08:43 PM
Just watched the track from both planes,there is one thing I have to say.There are some real good pilots in this game,from the track I can learn some things.Nice dog fight,congrads to the both of you.