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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:00 AM
i just stumbled across this crap! man can they really do this? and who in their right mnind would even pay good money for this crap!
isn't there a copy write on IL-2 & FB? I'm realy pizzed. this is such BS. Oleg & Co bust their chops programing this sim and some jerks can just rip him off? *Sigh*
i just don't believe this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Bearcat99 said: "I sure hope a lot of us have to eat fun and suck enjoyment when this patch comes out because the way some are acting is hilarious.."


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:00 AM
i just stumbled across this crap! man can they really do this? and who in their right mnind would even pay good money for this crap!
isn't there a copy write on IL-2 & FB? I'm realy pizzed. this is such BS. Oleg & Co bust their chops programing this sim and some jerks can just rip him off? *Sigh*
i just don't believe this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Bearcat99 said: "I sure hope a lot of us have to eat fun and suck enjoyment when this patch comes out because the way some are acting is hilarious.."


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Bearcat99 said: "I sure hope a lot of us have to eat fun and suck enjoyment when this patch comes out because the way some are acting is hilarious.."


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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:04 AM
what are you pizzed off about? it's just a cd with a campaign and missions. how is Oleg getting ripped off?

calm. down.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:05 AM
Old news. Particularly bad that it was previously a free download.

I guess if I put a huge amount of effort in I may do the same....

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adlabs6
06-20-2003, 04:06 AM
That's IL2/FB alright. Whether they're selling the Operation Barbarossa Campaign in the same box with FB, or what ever is going on here I don't know.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:06 AM
If they decided to license out the engine, anybody could buy a copy and make their own game... but again, that is only if the engine has been licensed out.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:24 AM
It is an expansion disk, produced privately, an add-on for Il-2/FB. It includes only missions and skins. There's no "program" per se. Here's the ad copy:

"The ultimate mission and campaign expansion for IL2 Sturmovik is now updated and fully compatible with IL2 Forgotten Battles - including 20 new missions (totally 250) in one giant historical campaign plus 60 new custom aircraft skins!

Join the Luftwaffe's elite in IL2 Sturmovik from the invasion of Russia in 1941 to the gates of Berlin in 1945. Fly 250 missions in a huge campaign, or 390 in single-player mode, plus bonus missions, 64 custom skins and dogfight maps!"

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:28 AM
Well it must have had at least some cooperation from IC as FB doesn't allow you to edit/copy missions from cache like in Sturmovik.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:46 AM
So essentially they have stolen the IL-2 name, taking credit for features included in IL-2 and FB, and charging #30 for maps and skins. They have done no work to make the game, are not paying a license to use it, but can crank out full ticket addons with little or no overhead.

Why is this legal?

I have seen this cr@p before for Quake and Warcraft, but somehow this seems 100 times worse...



Message Edited on 06/20/0303:50AM by blue_on_blue

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 04:50 AM
What are you guys talking about? It is just a mission pack and has been available for well over a year, originally as a free download.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:08 AM
Barbarossa is one of the better addon campaigns for IL2 and FB and well worth the money. No-one makes you buy an addon anyway


It is no different to the commercial addons for the Microsoft products produced by Just Flight and similiar companies and in fact is far better value than a lot of the commercoal 3rd part microsoft stuff.


There are entire companies based around selling third party addons for Microsoft Flight Sims, why shouldnt IL2/FB end up with the same level of proffessional support ???



Why should it be OK to sell scenery planes and missions for Microsoft Products but not OK to do the same for FB?

The more addons for FB the better, especially those for offline players.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 08:19 AM
It has Olegs approval.

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:13 AM
People on these forums have been making their own missions ,air racing as well,the difference as i see it is that no one on these forums has SOLD them [as far as i know].
Is that the sticking point do you think,Gibbage & the other modellers i believe do it for free,[ modelling that is ]
S to all Trumper

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:37 AM
trumper wrote:

- People on these forums have been making their own
- missions ,air racing as well,the difference as i see
- it is that no one on these forums has SOLD them [as
- far as i know].



This argument is kinda lame, and the whole topic is very very old.


Remember the large number of offline players without sufficient IT-connection, unable to download the missions and campaigns.

They are glad to be able to play the excellent Barbarossa-campaign instead of the boring default ones in IL2 (and the "dynamic" ones in FB as well).

If there wasn`t a market for this, these add-ons wouldn`t excist. Simple like that.


I haven`t tried those "Experten-campaigns" yet.
But if they are that good as I heard they are, propably one should think about selling them as an add-on too.

I could imagine a lot of guys being happy to get access to them.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 10:20 AM
leonid05 wrote:
-
- I haven`t tried those "Experten-campaigns" yet.
- But if they are that good as I heard they are,
- propably one should think about selling them as an
- add-on too.
-
-

The Expertenscampaigns are excellant. I am suprised I was able to download a product of such quallity for free.

I highly recommend it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 11:01 AM
I agree total scumbags, now you know why mis's dont transfer anymore that are usable. Only a ***ken moron would pay for a few skins and missions and they say in the advertising comes with the i16 and i153 what a crock of shyt more then half the price of the actual game. Think about the work and think about the work put into developing the actual game do you think the mis and skins are worth half the amount of work that the game took to make? Not me and I will never buy operation barbarosa and no one should so they make mis's transfer and are usuable for all other users.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:02 PM
Because I won't buy it no one should.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:03 PM
what?.........TWENTY-EIGHT.......friggin...... ENGLISH POUNDS ????????



nuts........

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:06 PM
Damn, I keep pulling my hair out how if only Oleg would put as much weight into making Mission Editor the tool it could be as the FB grafix, nobody would bother trying to make money off FB mission building.

Think like this::

Oleg;s FB grafix are 100 times better than olde Flanker 1.0 grafix.

Flanker 1.0 Editor is the same basic thing as Oleg's Editor.

That's why so few people bother with FB Mission Editor.

Oleg's Editor has a few new "eye candy," but there is a *reason* why the Flanker 1.0 programmers made it so you started up Flanker in the Editor.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:34 PM
It's a mission pack, what's the problem?

Anybody can do it with the mission builder if they have the time and expertise.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:06 PM
From that page alone, It's a very misleading advert not stating that the original game is required. Thats problabye intentional.

If you come in through the site front door, it's listed under IL2 Addon. But if you fell on it via a search or being posted like this then it misleads big time. It's one of those legal margeting con tricks

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:16 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- Damn, I keep pulling my hair out how if only Oleg
- would put as much weight into making Mission Editor
- the tool it could be as the FB grafix, nobody would
- bother trying to make money off FB mission building.
-
- Think like this::
-
- Oleg;s FB grafix are 100 times better than olde
- Flanker 1.0 grafix.
-
- Flanker 1.0 Editor is the same basic thing as Oleg's
- Editor.
-
- That's why so few people bother with FB Mission
- Editor.
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- Oleg's Editor has a few new "eye candy," but there
- is a *reason* why the Flanker 1.0 programmers made
- it so you started up Flanker in the Editor.
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Huh?, its an editor, it makes missions. Whats the problem?Does what it says on the tin.

Anyhow the advertising off the product is very dodfy, it sounds like they are adding new planes and scenery to it.

"- Aircraft included : Bf109, Fw190, La-5FN, P-39, I-16, Yak1b, LAGG-3 and MiG-3U.

- Includes 5 fictional maps : dogfight summer and winter/Moscow winter/Crimea maps with all aircraft available and dogfight map winter with P-11 and I-16 aircraft.

Extra historical dogfight maps :

Smolensk 1941 - Moscow Winter 1941 - Moscow Summer 1941 - Stalingrad Summer 1942 - Stalingrad Winter 1942 - Crimea 1942 - Crimea 1944 - Kuban 1942 - Kuban 1944 - Kursk 1943 - Prokhorovka 1943."



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:25 PM
*chuckle*

Here's the system specs listed for that addon:

Required:
Windows 98, Pentium 300, 64 Mb Ram.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:28 PM
simple.

exercise your rights as a consumer and don't buy it. In the meantime allow everyone else to exercise those same rights.



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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 07:33 PM
A 44 map, and no 44 Russian planes?

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:52 PM
hi
take a chill pill,as has been said its been around for over
a year.with maddox blessing.time to untwist the panties,lol.
its ossi s barbarossa missions(that you can dl for free at sturmovik techinca)with a few upgrades etc.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 09:58 PM
You can d/l in right on this forum too.(Home page/missions)

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06-21-2003, 12:39 AM
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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:03 AM
Kinda reminds me when I bought CFS2 and the ran across a mission addition for a stukka dive bomber for 19.00 USA..I literally threw it out in the yard .2 seconds after install.

Oh and gee..I got a working Stukka in FB just for buying the game. Perfect online use and charge me 200.00 I'll stll be ahead! Make the next sim some lame chopper online wars that inflicts a realistic learning curve and something to do online with the skill learned.. add a few maps and some targets for team use..Gee, I'd pay what my pc costs.

Shoot me! I like RB!