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nearmiss
09-25-2004, 09:26 AM
I took a few rides last night into some combat situations with the BF109-F4 and noticed something I've not really observed before...

Turned on the Autopilot and sat behind the cockpit and HUD. In combat the enemy LAGG-3 was popping off a few rounds at me and my aircraft was jinking, twisting, turning, etc. so quickly it was dizzying and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif disorienting.

Is this even close to possible to move this fast so quickly, in any WW2 vintage fighter aircraft? Is this even close to possible "for real"?

This takes head-shaking to a new level. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

nearmiss
09-25-2004, 09:26 AM
I took a few rides last night into some combat situations with the BF109-F4 and noticed something I've not really observed before...

Turned on the Autopilot and sat behind the cockpit and HUD. In combat the enemy LAGG-3 was popping off a few rounds at me and my aircraft was jinking, twisting, turning, etc. so quickly it was dizzying and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif disorienting.

Is this even close to possible to move this fast so quickly, in any WW2 vintage fighter aircraft? Is this even close to possible "for real"?

This takes head-shaking to a new level. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Tully__
09-25-2004, 12:09 PM
Auto pilot uses the same flight model as the AI do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nearmiss
09-25-2004, 02:14 PM
OK

If the AI and Autopilot is the same flight model, then how far out from any kind of realistic is it.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2004, 03:25 PM
Seems like roll inertia is off, or just not modelled. It's not always so much how fast your plane can roll; it's also how fast it can *change roll direction*.

nearmiss
09-25-2004, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Seems like roll inertia is off, or just not modelled. It's not always so much how fast your plane can roll; it's also how fast it can *change roll direction*. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's...er, well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

OK, I'm saying you couldn't move a full real aircraft that fast to jink like that. The AI is doing it, so the player has to do it too. I'm confused about the whole issue.

Now, if I'm wrong and you really can jerk around in a real aircraft at warp speed I'm fine with that. It's just we get all this full realism nonsense poked at us so often.

I know you can roll like a Banshee in some aircraft, but rolling and jinking at warp speed are different things. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Oh my gosh! I think I've got it. I've always told myself differently, but that hitting yourself in the head with the hammer thing makes sense.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> THIS IS AN ONLINE GAME <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2004, 05:11 PM
You probably *can* jink like that in certain planes with a great roll rate. At least, in one direction.

But roll inertia is what's going to prevent you from doing it to all different directions at the same fast speed. Roll inertia would force your plane to stop the roll in one direction, then apply it to the opposite direction. That translates into, basically, time standing still and not appearing to bank.

LStarosta
09-26-2004, 06:55 PM
Stiglr, haven't you heard of time accelerators and dampening fields? Sheesh. Some physics expert you are...

p1ngu666
09-26-2004, 08:30 PM
amusing typo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
but you gotta heave it back, imagine something full of water, u stop it, then slowly at first push it away, gaining momentum

No3 Spit
09-26-2004, 11:39 PM
I think the Question is why did they model Ai to fly this way? I guess it has less impact if you don't fly with full settings on, maybe the ai should scale with the settings of the human pilots. If that is possible? Certainly reduce alot of complaints I'd imagine