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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:27 AM
I've been flying on-line in IL-2 since the beginning and it's a ton of fun.

But lately I'm finding the "cockpit off" servers a little mundane.
I'm looking for more of a challenge so I have been messing around in some "full real" servers.

But now I need to know....how the heck do you take off without being able to see the runway !!!!!

I'm forever missing the runway completely or crashing into other planes. If I just gun my engine and take off in whatever direction my nose is pointing then guys yell at me for cutting across the runway I can't see !!!!

I've tried all kinds of planes with all kinds of cockpits.
The P-39 seams to have the best view but I still can't seem to find the runway.

How the heck do you guys do it?
I need some tips.

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:27 AM
I've been flying on-line in IL-2 since the beginning and it's a ton of fun.

But lately I'm finding the "cockpit off" servers a little mundane.
I'm looking for more of a challenge so I have been messing around in some "full real" servers.

But now I need to know....how the heck do you take off without being able to see the runway !!!!!

I'm forever missing the runway completely or crashing into other planes. If I just gun my engine and take off in whatever direction my nose is pointing then guys yell at me for cutting across the runway I can't see !!!!

I've tried all kinds of planes with all kinds of cockpits.
The P-39 seams to have the best view but I still can't seem to find the runway.

How the heck do you guys do it?
I need some tips.

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:31 AM
Switch view to wide mode helps. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:32 AM
Practice

Get used to the view

To turn on a dime hold your brake full rudder and throttle up. Turn then look out the sides

Just follow the taxiway

If all else fails find the tower which is always next to the runway.



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11-02-2003, 01:36 AM
Yep these guys have told ya already.

It would be nice in full real if and on if your wheels are on the ground, and eng off, you had outside views. For only one reason to get an overhead view of the airfeild so you could go back to your cockpit and taxi the right direction. TIR helps too, but it doesn't Make it easy ,just helps.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:36 AM
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eskimo-FHmod
11-02-2003, 01:37 AM
i have just one problem with full real.
i get lost all the time.
i take off and think "ah great, there is the street that leads up to this town where i head east to get to the frontline."
after some flying time i realise that 1. the yak dont have a compass 2. there was not a single town in over 10 min of following streets. 3. that river west of me should be not be there according to my calculations and navigations. 4. the airfield i just landed on was an enemy airfield and i got captured.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:37 AM
Have a look around to see where the runway is and what direction is best for takeoff first.
Theres normally a tower in the middle of the runway, so depending on where you spawn that can give you an indication.
In co-ops what you do is just turn your plane slightly to one side. That will allow you to see the oplane in front of you so you dont run into him, Wait till you see he is airbourne then power up.
Line your plane up on the runway, I use the smallest view (Pagedown key) In that view when you are looking directly in front of you , you can see the runway on either side in your peripheral vision (just left and right of your cockpit).
Now it becomes a feel thing lol, Power up slowly and keep yourself on the runway with your rudder, Once you have airspeed do the normal, flaps also help a lot as you get off the ground quicker.
Hope this helps.

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:40 AM
You can take off in IL2 by doing nothing other than watching your turn slip indicator. Just make sure your lined up when you start, and as long as the arrow is always pointed up, your going straight. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:46 AM
Cool_Hand_Luke_ wrote:
- But now I need to know....how the heck do you take
- off without being able to see the runway !!!!!

pick a point in the sky.. cloud.. mountain that is at the end of the runway and run towards it <G>


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eskimo-FHmod
11-02-2003, 01:47 AM
i assume you are talking about full real dogfight servers.

as you dont spawn on the run way just look left or right out the cockpit, speed up to 20km/h and once you spot the run way full rudder left or right until you have positioned yourself on it.
keep in mind that normally you come past a taxi way first which in most cases is good enough for take off.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:50 AM
Looking for the control tower is often very helpful for orientation. Typically it is located alongside the runway towards the middle of the field. This can often give you a good idea of which direction to take-off.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:52 AM
Control tower is the answer. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif


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11-02-2003, 01:54 AM
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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:55 AM
Practice....

Just like the real thing...

There are lots of good links...

Sure is frustrating at first isn't it!

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 01:59 AM
(no offense to other users) There isnt a true-blue way that works. Just keep practicing, no link or story or instructional is gonna help.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 02:21 AM
If you do not know where you are, taxi doing smooth "S"'s, so you can see where you are heading
When you get the hang of it, scrambling from the airfiled limping and "S"ing over the tarmac at 150km/h gets real exciting

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 02:39 AM
I started with full real. Then again I've never been one for gradual immersion.

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Just turn your plane slighty to view if the runway is clear. Also switch to wide angle view. It's not too hard to get used to after that.

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adlabs6
11-02-2003, 02:53 AM
You'll learn fast if you load up the Multiplay mode (while offline) and practice finding the taxiways and driving around on the taxiways for a while instead of flying. After you're good at driving around the airfield, then take off, and practice touch and go's until your confident in your directional skills.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 02:56 AM
You could use F2 to orient yourself on the field then back into the cockpit and off you go.

Just a thought.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 02:57 AM
Beebop-PBNA wrote:
- You could use F2 to orient yourself on the field
- then back into the cockpit and off you go.
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- Just a thought.


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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 03:37 AM
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BpGemini wrote:
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- Beebop-PBNA wrote:
-- You could use F2 to orient yourself on the field
-- then back into the cockpit and off you go.
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-- Just a thought.
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eskimo-FHmod
11-02-2003, 04:51 AM
ok now the tricky bit...

how do you navigate without your little white plane showing on the map ???

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 05:01 AM
"Full Real = No externals"


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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 05:07 AM
First, know my heading by compass or sun. Look around, find unique terrain feature like big lake, curve river, big city, highway, railroad etc..and open the map and compare..bingo. Now that I know my posit, I decide my heading and next unique place. Repeat this procedure again and again. It's much much interesting than follwing black line and look at white little plane on the map. Even when no battle around, it's still fun.


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eskimo-FHmod
11-02-2003, 05:15 AM
ok. yak doesnt have a compass as far as i know.
how was that with the sun again ?
sun rises in the east and sets in the west ?


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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 05:48 AM
eskimo-FHmod wrote:
- ok now the tricky bit...
-
- how do you navigate without your little white plane
- showing on the map ???

toolcool24 wrote:

"First, know my heading by compass or sun. Look around, find unique terrain feature like big lake, curve river, big city, highway, railroad etc..and open the map and compare..bingo. Now that I know my posit, I decide my heading and next unique place. Repeat this procedure again and again. It's much much interesting than follwing black line and look at white little plane on the map. Even when no battle around, it's still fun."

Or maybe land and see what side of the tree the moss is growing on....sheeesh. Your map is a lot better than mine TooCool...lol. Glad ya can navigate that way. Me I cross my fingers and pray a lot.





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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 06:16 AM
Look Left or right using the hat switch, then use the FOV to zoom out

then drive foward slowley & look for the green runway then line up & take off.

If you think thats hard just wait till yer in the air looking for the bad guys /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 06:21 AM
in real life the worst planes for forward views always had a man laying on the wing while the pilot taxied. which would be accurately portrayed by turning the cockpit OFF. fullreal is fullhard and not accurate at all compared to being in a real plane regarding views. the monitor is 2 dimensional not three and its about a foot square compared to looking for miles in every direction from unlimited angles of craning your neck.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 02:15 PM
Something not yet mentioned is bringing up the nose wheel at the earliest opportunity by pushing forward on the stick. This brings the plane into the horizontal sooner and allow you to see everything.

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 02:36 PM
Cool_Hand_Luke_ wrote:
- I've been flying on-line in IL-2 since the beginning
- and it's a ton of fun.
-
- But lately I'm finding the "cockpit off" servers a
- little mundane.
- I'm looking for more of a challenge so I have been
- messing around in some "full real" servers.
-
- But now I need to know....how the heck do you take
- off without being able to see the runway !!!!!
-
- I'm forever missing the runway completely or
- crashing into other planes. If I just gun my engine
- and take off in whatever direction my nose is
- pointing then guys yell at me for cutting across the
- runway I can't see !!!!
-
- I've tried all kinds of planes with all kinds of
- cockpits.
- The P-39 seams to have the best view but I still
- can't seem to find the runway.
-
- How the heck do you guys do it?
- I need some tips.
-
-
Hi there.
Switch to wide wiew, now check edges of the runway against your cockpit window. If they " cut " the cockpit at the same height on both sides you are going straight,you can steer accurately by this.
See you, S! nightnight

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 05:09 PM
LOL Welcome to full real Cool_Hand_Luke! Time & practice will help you the most, but will be worth every minute of it. The fun is only beginning AFTER take off!

Identification of enemy aircraft is what kills me (or my squad mates). I swear I see enemy markings!

If you give it some time and get use to it, I believe you will never go back to full screen settings, because there is nothing like it. Good luck.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 05:29 PM
I wonder if the thread jinxed HL last night...was looking around 9pm and couldn't find any full real servers...

Even greatergreen was sitting empty. Odd as that one is usually full.



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11-02-2003, 06:38 PM
ha - i totally dissagree - somewhat..

.. the ideal cockpit view is crap because it lets people make massive deflection shots very easily.

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 06:53 PM
Try full real in the Me-262 and try to learn landmark navigation then! Is that the Wahl river bend? Don't know it's gone. You have to navigate via compass, estimated time to destination and distinct, large/ landmarks ie cities, stretches of river and main highways.It'snot lke the slower craft wheryou can navigate via any town/village and small stetches of forests and river.

Personally in full real i simply use the mouse to pan my view (in cockpit) around and look at the airfield, looking for control tower, AA guns and general aircraft movement, take bearings andgo from there. Once you start gaining speed pop the nose forward a little to garner a better view then either continuewith take-off, abort it or crash. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 07:09 PM
Go into Wide view (max zoom out) and shift F1. Then lower your point of view to watch your rudder pedals. Once there, you should be able to see enough ground on each side of your plane to have a good idea of where you're taxiing. It is in fact quite eaasy with that method.



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