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FritzGryphon
12-08-2006, 03:42 PM
Don't be too worried by us guys, for the most part, it's not much different from any other flight sim.

Things like fuel mix sound complicated, but are really quite simple. Just turn down the mix whenever the engine chokes, and that's about it.

Almost all planes have automated engine controls and constant speed propellers, so you will never have to touch anything but the throttle if you don't want to.

The difficulty options are comprehensive, from turning off engine management, to turning off stalling, god mode, etc.

When things don't seem to work (most often gear and chocks, and plane spinning all the time) don't go insane. Just read the documentation or ask on the forums and you'll be fine.

SlickStick
12-08-2006, 03:44 PM
That's the best part about this game, it's ability to be customized to suit the individual player's tastes. There are many Difficulty switches that allow one to have no pit, easy gunnery, no head shake, no complex engine management, etc. Or the ability to have them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Most of us started on easier difficulty settings and progressed to where we feel comfortable playing this game and having fun. I'm sure you will do the same. Do what you feel and don't let the hardcore sim enthusiasts bog you down.

The main point is to play the game the way that is fun for you. You'll find that you will naturally want to progress as you gain more experience. Welcome aboard and rest assured that you are making a good investment in that IL2:1946 DVD. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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carguy_
12-08-2006, 03:44 PM
Don`t worry,Oleg Maddox thought just about players like you.

This game is pretty much the first so hardcore sim.So the game has many realistic feature switches so you can enable/disable them.

You want spin characteristics,you enable,you don`t want you disable and so on with many other.All of us started with at least few of them set to off.Eitherwise we`d never learn a thing.

I think that if you get a good controller able of smooth moves and disable some switches you can do it without a 2nd thought.The game can be really close to arcade if you like.

When you feel you can do it all,just team up with someone online and get some more help.

However,many folks here recommend to just set it all on,get online and go training with other people.It is alot harder,but learning process is more fun and alot faster.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lodovik
12-08-2006, 03:45 PM
Is a new guy going to have fun with this, and not be bogged down by fuel mixtures, yaw recoil, etc. It seems many posts arae very technical. I don't care about gun recoil, or faithful engine noise. Will I be able to take off a bring down a bomber?!?

If you like flight sims at all, the answer is most likely, "yes, you'll like this one". You can choose several different realism settings to get the right level for your skill and personal taste, so you can learn the sim at your own pace. Once you get to know the sim better, you'll probably want to try out more settings and learn more about the planes, or you can play it as a straight shoot 'em up if you wish.

Just the other day a friend of mine went at the sim first time in his life. It was his first sim experience ever, actually. After being told the basic controls and tweaking the realism settings, off he went, quickly proceeding to score two bomber kills in a Brewster Buffalo and he was allready tipsy from celebrating the Finnish independence day. He was hooked instantly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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VW-IceFire
12-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Hello.

Well I think you'll probably be ok as long as you don't go online right away. My strong suggestion is to get the game and start tinkering. Its not Unreal Tournament so you can't jump in and be good in the first 5 minutes but you can definitely start having quite a bit of fun within the first 30 minutes or so. I'd suggest you start with the quick mission builder which lets you setup some quick scenarios...basically you set what you and your team want to fly and pick your opponents and go from there. You can control the difficulty level too...so if you want to turn off stalls, and turbulence, complex engine management, and limited ammo, you can do so. You have the ability to bring yourself up to speed and get used to one difficulty level at a time.

This is how I started.

So maybe start with just you and fly around for a bit. Set some of the controls, do some sight seeing, get used to how things work. Maybe fire off a few rounds into a hillside or a building or something. Mess around for a bit.

Then pick a transport aircraft like a Ju-52 or a C-47 and try and shoot down a formation of those. Then go to the next level and start picking off small formations of light, medium, and heavy bombers. Then...if you're still feeling good start picking on some rookie fighters.

This game is very accessible to everyone...I do recommend a joystick as a good thing to have to fly. That will make things better right off the bat. After that just some time and some fun spent doing all sorts of different things in the QMB is perfect.

Then you can jump into the online world or try the off-line campaigns.

I was concerned myself...the last sim I played before this one was Aces Over Europe back in the early 1990s. So this was heads and tails above that. I spent quite a bit of time playing around with the game...got used to QMB, single player, and then took my abilities online where I got completely and totally wiped out on many an occasion. With good humour I kept coming back till I got much better.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Viper2005_
12-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Short answer = it depends...

At the end of the day flying (be it virtual or real) is a skill like any other. You might equally ask

"Will I be able to pick up a violin and play a tune?"

Depending upon past experience, some will, some won't.

Chances are that if you're starting from scratch it will take you a while to learn the basics. OTOH, if you've got previous experience of flying then the chances are that you'll have the basic motor skills - stick back and the nose comes up, stick forward and the nose goes down etc..

There isn't a lot of procedural detail in IL2. If you start off by flying something like a Spitfire IX then you've got automatic radiators, automatic mixture, automatic supercharger gearchange, a nice constant speed prop which you don't really need to fiddle with, a nice landing gear system (no need for hundreds of key presses as with some early aeroplanes) and really it's just a question of starting the engine (with a single keystroke), opening the throttle and flying away.

As for gunnery, just put the dot on the target and don't fire until the target fills the sight.

F0_Dark_P
12-08-2006, 03:47 PM
yeah it might sound very technical when listening on all the guys here when they are talking about aerodynamics etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

but trust me in this, il2 is relly straight forward, it gets as technical as you want it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Breeze147
12-08-2006, 03:47 PM
No, don't be afraid. We're all smoke and noise. Have fun and read the excellent tutorials that are posted up in the stickies. Start out easy and add more as you go along. I started by taking the good old Sturmovik out for a sping and doing touch and go's until I got the hang of it. Then I started an Il-2 campaign. Don't use ComPlex Engine Management right off, unless you are already an IRL pilot. Have fun. Set up a Quick Mission on Easy and shoot down your favorite enemy.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
12-08-2006, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by apachence:
So, I have never played any of the IL-2 series, but recently was itched for a new flight sim for a new computer I just recently bought.

After reading a lot of forum posts, I concluded 2 things:

1)This game is the definitive WWII fight sim
2) It's hardcore.

I've already pulled the trigger on gogamer, but I ask the players of this series: Is a new guy going to have fun with this, and not be bogged down by fuel mixtures, yaw recoil, etc. It seems many posts arae very technical. I don't care about gun recoil, or faithful engine noise. Will I be able to take off a bring down a bomber?!?

Thanks for your help. Great forum/community. Game looks great, and can't wait to play.
Cheers.
-AP

I'm going to take a slightly different approach here-I'm not going to sprinkle it with sugar

Short answer:

there are much more complex flight sims, but this is a flight simulation after all- there are going to be situations in which you're going to not understand the whys and hows of things if you don't know a bit about it. taking off is going to have you wondering if there's something wrong with you, the sim, or your control if you don't understand what's happening. There are options to tone done the flight model, but some of these things will still remain on a tough learning curve if you don't know what can be expected to happen in a given situation. You've already kind of answered yourself- the sim can't be 'hardcore' and 'casual' all at the same time. if you aren't willing to put a little time into it to learn to do some things, you will become very frustrated. The simulation is not the most detailed out there by any means, but it is sophisticated enough that just changing a throttle setting can make your plane fly in a way the uninitiated feel is 'wrong'. You might also wonder what's "wrong" when your plane constantly banks to the right without your inputs at a constant speed, or why your wing flaps don't stay down. If you take the time to learn a little about the subject and the sim, you will have a fun time

having said that, I have played much more difficult sims, that are about automobile racing, and have a much steeper learning curve. the key with this sim is understanding that if you don't know what's happening, it's probably becuase you're not well versed in some of the principles the sim concerns itself with<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
12-08-2006, 03:51 PM
You can play this game like an arcade game, mate.

You can turn off the prop pitch/fuel mixture in fact anything you want.

You can be an indestructable super plane with unlimited ammo and fuel.

If you like WW2 planes you will love the game, online play is the most fun and there are plenty of arcade servers where you can turn the cockpit off and fly around in a see thru bubble blasting away and the opposing teams planes.

Try 334th or AFJ servers to get used to the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh and buy IL2 1946 Ultimate edition, it has every patch and addon needed to play online on the latest servers with hundreds of planes.

Which versiono f the game have you got? If its not the most recent release then cancel it and get the latest full edition. There are so many addons and patches, it would be tough to buy them all seperataly.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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h009291
12-08-2006, 04:08 PM
Hope ya got more than minimum requirements (PIII and 512 MB Ram) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slo_1_2_3
12-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Will I be able to take off a bring down a bomber?!?

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MrMojok
12-08-2006, 06:22 PM
Set the difficulty however you like, but one thing I'd recommend is keeping the cockpit ON.

Two reasons- one, it is simply more fun. being able to see your canopy and instuments increases the immersion factor a thousand times over. flying around cockpit-off is more like being in a TIE fighter or something.

Two, your skills are going to be a lot sharper with that cockpit on. You're forced to get a lot better about looking around constantly. Your gunnery skills are going to be a lot better in the long run, as well.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
12-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by MrMojok:
Set the difficulty however you like, but one thing I'd recommend is keeping the cockpit ON.

Two reasons- one, it is simply more fun. being able to see your canopy and instuments increases the immersion factor a thousand times over. flying around cockpit-off is more like being in a TIE fighter or something.

Two, your skills are going to be a lot sharper with that cockpit on. You're forced to get a lot better about looking around constantly. Your gunnery skills are going to be a lot better in the long run, as well.

IMHO, of course.

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RedDeth
12-08-2006, 09:07 PM
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Bearcat99
12-08-2006, 10:29 PM
Suck it up and get your @ss in here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Welcome aboard. I wouldn't fret about those things. Ya see.... if you don't want to be bothered with things like mixture, and all that technical mumbo jumbo... well.... ya don't have to be. But'ca know..... the beauty of this sim is..... if you don't care about those things now.. eventually you will.

This sim is challenging. It is such a nifty piece of kit that once you climb one hill... you are stoked and thoroughly amped for the next one. So if.. say for debate's sake.... you start off with the noobiest of noobilious settings.... I mean a brazenly open pit in all it's red and blue arrowed, non stalling, one shot exploding, airplane on the map showing glory... well.... after a while.. when that gets boring as h@ll.... -and it will... that's why you .."recently was itched for a new flight sim for a new computer I just recently bought...." Other wise.. why.... you would have plopped that old POS you used to fly... watever it was.... on your "new" PC and had at it- Then you can start to nibble on the more intricate, shall I say.. engrossing aspects of this sim that has produced the leigion of fans that it has... many whom have been here since... the Demo... I'm talking what.... late 2000.. early 2001.... That's what... 5 years.... 5 years.... on one sim... for a lot of these folks.... Now I certainly wouldnt take a bite out of a pile of dung because millions of flies do every day.... but hey man.... we're talking working, breathing, resposibility carrying, job holding, professional people... which a lot of us are.... but we still make time to do this.... nagging wife, pesky boss, real life notwithstanding.... and for some of us it has been years, yet we are still here.. and not onmly still here but actually enjoying the sim..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif so there must be something about this product that ..... gets one engaged.

You obviously are tired of the run of the mill ho hummm shootemup... puuuulll the triiigger... tuuurn to the riiiight.. turn to the leeeeft.... now shoooooot..... flight sim.

Nahhh man.... you want ...... the butter.... you want ....the cream...
You want a new thrill to take you someplace you have only imagined... and down a few roads that frankly.... you may have never even thought of.... You want This sim...

You just aren't sure yet... and the rabid glassy eyed denizons of this forum... and make no mistake.. I include myself among them..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

May have alarmed you a bit what with all the talk of turn rates and climb speeds etc.... Most of us are NOT geeks. We just like flight sims, warbirds.... and this sim fits the bill pretty darn well if I must say so myself. And of course I obviously must.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Don't sweat it... and forgive me if I seem a tad long fingered.... I am tired as all get out... and I didn't get to fly like I wanted to because between my PC issues and my job... all I can do with relative certainty of not having a system crash lately is post here... that and did I mention the few St. Paulie Girls I ran into in my fridge once I dragged myself home.... anyway..... get the 46 thing. If you are in the states then order it from Go Gamer.com (http://www.gogamer.com/IL-2-Sturmovik-1946--I--PC-Simulations_stcVVproductId7274576VVcatId444808VVvi ewprod.htm).

46 is the whole shebang, the big enchelada, the whole 9 yards, everything in the series that counts.... no patching no fuss no muss....

You can start out with whatever settings you like.. but if you have a decent rig and the slightest intrest in warbirds, flight sims or any kind of challenge... I'm talking the kind of thing that will make you get out of bed after you turned off your PC and retired... mumbling to yourself... "I can make that landing.. I know I can..." as you reboot for one more attempt to land on that bucking carrier, shoot down that pesky bandit or hit that elusive target... before the AA rips you to shreds... then this sim is for you and in a few weeks you'll be like the rest of us... and then the upgrade fever will take hold and you will be lost.


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apachence
12-10-2006, 10:43 AM
Hey guys,
Thanks for all your responses. It good to hear that you can start of 'easy', then turn on the more realistic settings if you want it. The game is already on order at GoGamer and I'm hoping my new laptop can support it. (Was it obsolete when I took it out of the box?!?)

Sounds like they'll be plenty to keep me busy with all the missions and campaigns! Really psyched. Trailers look great.

Anyway...thanks. I'll I'm sure I'll be around the boards. Good hunting!

-AP

Air_Hog
12-10-2006, 11:00 AM
The great thing about IL2 is the "easy level" on-off switch. Also, don't mind all the complaining you read here. Most everyone loves the sim and just want to point out some problem or other. The great thing about this sim, IMHO, is that its creator, Mr. Oleg reads these posts and takes notes of complaints. Can you believe it sometimes things get fixed. Most sims are "out the door and move on" - not this one.

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slappedsilly
12-10-2006, 11:46 AM
I know 4 people who have bought the sim less than 4 months ago. Some have played flight sims before some have not, but all are playing online now and get some kills. It does take some time, but not too much to take away from the fun.

papotex
12-10-2006, 12:36 PM
well, can i download the 46 addon already?

i read in SIM HQ people is downloading alreADY
but i cant find anything on dowload section

RedDeth
12-10-2006, 06:21 PM
i hope so but i seriously doubt they will have it downloadable. they have dvd recognition software in the release that makes it impossible now to play the game without the DVD in the drive.

thus they would have to come out with a different downloadable version that can play without a dvd. thus voiding the reason for the protection in the first place.

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12-10-2006, 08:06 PM
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i doubt very seriously itll be downloaded ever. but i hope im wrong .... I think you is wrong, but when it comes to UbiSoft, theres always the possibility. All the previous releases of our series had disc copy protection, but there were digital downloads that used some type of digital verification, rather than disc verification. Even the Ultimate Edition v4.05, uses this type of verification.

It has been stated the remaining add-ons, 4.06/4.07, will be available via download, and I believe someone mentioned BoontyBox will be used again as the download manager. There are still markets where physical discs are not obtainable, which makes the download the only option.

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