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megalopsuche
03-09-2009, 03:52 PM
I've flown a lot of flight sims over the years, but only downloaded Il-2FB last summer. I toyed around with the offline campaigns for a while but mostly stuck with the main arenas and FSO's of Aces High.

Thanks to jayhall0315's guide for new online Il-2 pilots (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2111070776) I had no trouble finding a server through hyperlobby and had a hint of what to expect. At this point, I have only flown on the "dogfight" servers, but in the future I'd like to try cooperative play as well.

Now for my impressions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Scoring my first kill was easier than I expected. Even though I've done a lot of online dogfighting, I somehow expected it to be very difficult because I'm still a bit unfamiliar with the sim. Certainly the gunnery is more difficult than aces high; I usually have to get within 200m before I can aim reliably.

When nearly all aircraft are enabled, the variety you can find is very stale, just like AH. You see lots of Spits and La's, maybe up to 75% of the aircraft on some servers, with a few 190s blasting through and running away thrown in for good measure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I was pleasantly surprised to see that vulching is not allowed on most servers. At first I though that was gentlemanly, but then I saw that the AAA defense at most airfields is anemic, so the rule seems necessary.

On servers with 20 or more pilots, flying into the grinder leads to death within <60 seconds, but it's often the only place to find a fight. I had the idea to get some altitude and see if one of the BnZ 190s would play with my 109, but only found pilots who were interested in diving to their AAA in order to come back above me later.

That said, I gave some of the smaller servers a try and found some higher quality fights (guerre de ciel is one). I still got fragged by a shoulder-shooter, but that's to be expected without "kill-shooter." There's no shortage of 3rd, 4th or even 5th men into a fight that starts 1vs1, but at least with a lower concentration furball you have a chance to get in and get out.

Pilot quality is very comparable to Aces High. There's a lot pilots who try to head-on, or who go for low probablity front-quarter shots instead of setting up on your 6 o'clock when they have the chance, so they're not so difficult to beat. I also encountered some very good pilots who clearly knew how to manage their throttle and use the vertical, so that made getting shot down a lot of fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The only server that I absolutely did not enjoy was the Spit vs 109 server, where there are no icons whatsoever. I can see that being fun under more controlled conditions, e.g. cooperative play, but after watching 3 friendlies try to bounce me in succession I logged out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

So, overall I've had fun and will continue to try it out. If you can recommend a server I might enjoy let me know. My preference is for all the realism boxes checked except for icons and the mini-map (I get lost easily), and I enjoy somewhat fair fights.

na85
03-09-2009, 04:18 PM
downloaded Il-2FB last summer.

I hope you mean you purchased the game via direct download.


When nearly all aircraft are enabled, the variety you can find is very stale, just like AH. You see lots of Spits and La's, maybe up to 75% of the aircraft on some servers, with a few 190s blasting through and running away thrown in for good measure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What server were you on?


I was pleasantly surprised to see that vulching is not allowed on most servers. At first I though that was gentlemanly, but then I saw that the AAA defense at most airfields is anemic, so the rule seems necessary.

In my personal opinion, no-vulching rules are for the so-called "AirQuake" servers where nobody flies CAP, the bases are less than 10km apart, and maps are poorly designed with no rearward take-off location.

However regarding AAA: It causes lag and can cause framerate drops for players with lower-end systems, so the AAA is limited on most servers to provide a smoother gameplay experience.

That said, I gave some of the smaller servers a try and found some higher quality fights (guerre de ciel is one). I still got fragged by a shoulder-shooter, but that's to be expected without "kill-shooter." There's no shortage of 3rd, 4th or even 5th men into a fight that starts 1vs1, but at least with a lower concentration furball you have a chance to get in and get out.


The only server that I absolutely did not enjoy was the Spit vs 109 server, where there are no icons whatsoever. I can see that being fun under more controlled conditions, e.g. cooperative play, but after watching 3 friendlies try to bounce me in succession I logged out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Servers like Spits/109s, Zekes/Wildcats etc. usually are better if you have some kind of headtracker like TrackIR or deleted.

Additionally, most of the large servers run their own teamspeak or ventrilo servers. I highly suggest connecting to teamspeak. It makes teamplay and cooperation much easier and definitely will make your flying experience much more enjoyable.


So, overall I've had fun and will continue to try it out. If you can recommend a server I might enjoy let me know. My preference is for all the realism boxes checked except for icons and the mini-map (I get lost easily), and I enjoy somewhat fair fights.

I don't think there's a server out there that offers icons but no externals. Warclouds is probably the closest. They have friendly-only icons that show up when you are at close range, and minimap-path is enabled so you can see where you are on the map. Externals are disabled. There tends to be a lot of smack-talk on WC but other than that it's a decent place to fly.

DKoor
03-09-2009, 04:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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Regarding your pilot remark, you will find out very soon that the only smart pilots are those who bang you before you really have chance to react or defend yourself... they also attack only where they clearly have upper hand and typically finish their fights very fast.
Others, except where they mix it up for fun, are not that smart as they may seem to think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

Regarding you not having fun on spits vs 109s, I don't understand why is that server so dramatically different from other servers of that type to you, regardless of settings.
All dogfight servers are more or less shoot em up type; they earned that name because of very few people there trying to do something historical and most other people just trying to find something to shoot or destroy paying little attention to "redundant" things such is group formations, bomber escorts etc. Idea is flawed from the start if you pursue "historical" flying as the game possibly can offer.

On the other hand coops, while providing maximum historical capability sometimes can be a real pain because of waiting times.

megalopsuche
03-09-2009, 04:22 PM
I hope you mean you purchased the game via direct download.

Yes! Sorry if that wasn't clear.

crucislancer
03-09-2009, 04:22 PM
If you can recommend a server I might enjoy let me know. My preference is for all the realism boxes checked except for icons and the mini-map (I get lost easily), and I enjoy somewhat fair fights.

Give the UK Dedicated servers a try. Historical missions and planesets, and I usually have a good time when I fly there. There's no vulching except with rockets and bombs, and you are just as likely to be flying early war Buffalos as late war Doras. They all use the first page of diffculty swtiched on, and the rest is by server. There are three servers:

Dedicated 1 - open cockpit and externals, icons, mini-map.

Dedicated 2 - closed cockpit, externals, limited icons (only friendly, and only from 1km or closer), mini-map.

Dedicated 3 - mini-map and limited icons as above, no externals, closed cockpit.

I went on yesterday for the first time in 2 months, and Dedicated 3 wasn't up, so I'm not sure if that was just for the day or permanent.

I'm not sure what time zone you are on, but I can usually find some good opponents when I get on around 11am Pacific time on Sundays.

Also try Skies of Valor. Similar to UK Dedicated 2, though it tends to attract more people, the server is usually almost full when I get online. I seem to have a better time flying at night there then during the day, but that's just my preference for servers that aren't packed.

DKoor
03-09-2009, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by na85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, overall I've had fun and will continue to try it out. If you can recommend a server I might enjoy let me know. My preference is for all the realism boxes checked except for icons and the mini-map (I get lost easily), and I enjoy somewhat fair fights.

I don't think there's a server out there that offers icons but no externals. Warclouds is probably the closest. They have friendly-only icons that show up when you are at close range, and minimap-path is enabled so you can see where you are on the map. Externals are disabled. There tends to be a lot of smack-talk on WC but other than that it's a decent place to fly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey na85, I took notice of your WC icon remark... that didn't seem to be in the past. Did they changed icons now?
In the past, icons were all black, you would spot friendly at 1,5-2km range, while enemy would show up on 400-500m..?

na85
03-09-2009, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by na85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, overall I've had fun and will continue to try it out. If you can recommend a server I might enjoy let me know. My preference is for all the realism boxes checked except for icons and the mini-map (I get lost easily), and I enjoy somewhat fair fights.

I don't think there's a server out there that offers icons but no externals. Warclouds is probably the closest. They have friendly-only icons that show up when you are at close range, and minimap-path is enabled so you can see where you are on the map. Externals are disabled. There tends to be a lot of smack-talk on WC but other than that it's a decent place to fly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey na85, I took notice of your WC icon remark... that didn't seem to be in the past. Did they changed icons now?
In the past, icons were all black, you would spot friendly at 1,5-2km range, while enemy would show up on 400-500m..? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll be honest with you it's been a while since I've flown WC, and I was just going by memory. I think you're correct, and I was mistaken.

megalopsuche
03-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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Regarding your pilot remark, you will find out very soon that the only smart pilots are those who bang you before you really have chance to react or defend yourself... they also attack only where they clearly have upper hand and typically finish their fights very fast.
Others, except where they mix it up for fun, are not that smart as they may seem to think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

Flying "smart," as you call it, isn't much of a challenge. It's more of a SA workout and making sure that you have an escape window. These are important skills, no doubt, but killing from a position of disadvantage is so much more gratifying and is more difficult to succeed at. If I'm flying in a scenario, then sure, I'll do my best to have an advantage and bring my plane home.


Regarding you not having fun on spits vs 109s, I don't understand why is that server so dramatically different from other servers of that type to you, regardless of settings.
All dogfight servers are more or less shoot em up type; they earned that name because of very few people there trying to do something historical and most other people just trying to find something to shoot or destroy paying little attention to "redundant" things such is group formations, bomber escorts etc. Idea is flawed from the start if you pursue "historical" flying as the game possibly can offer.

On the other hand coops, while providing maximum historical capability sometimes can be a real pain because of waiting times.

Yes, I'm itching to give cooperative play a try.

What's different about no icons? Exactly what I said: friendly aircraft do not try to attack me! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

megalopsuche
03-09-2009, 04:38 PM
As for servers I've tried...

I'm pretty sure one was "skies of fire," where 75% were in Spits or Las.

Guerre de Ciel indeed has icons but no externals. As mentioned above, all icons are black and only turn friend or foe at closer range.

DKoor
03-09-2009, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by na85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by na85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, overall I've had fun and will continue to try it out. If you can recommend a server I might enjoy let me know. My preference is for all the realism boxes checked except for icons and the mini-map (I get lost easily), and I enjoy somewhat fair fights.

I don't think there's a server out there that offers icons but no externals. Warclouds is probably the closest. They have friendly-only icons that show up when you are at close range, and minimap-path is enabled so you can see where you are on the map. Externals are disabled. There tends to be a lot of smack-talk on WC but other than that it's a decent place to fly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey na85, I took notice of your WC icon remark... that didn't seem to be in the past. Did they changed icons now?
In the past, icons were all black, you would spot friendly at 1,5-2km range, while enemy would show up on 400-500m..? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll be honest with you it's been a while since I've flown WC, and I was just going by memory. I think you're correct, and I was mistaken. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Who knows, not me, I haven't flew there for eons really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

doogerie
03-09-2009, 04:52 PM
you may have seen me on that sever i was the noe that had troubel geting off the ground but i am improving

DKoor
03-09-2009, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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Regarding your pilot remark, you will find out very soon that the only smart pilots are those who bang you before you really have chance to react or defend yourself... they also attack only where they clearly have upper hand and typically finish their fights very fast.
Others, except where they mix it up for fun, are not that smart as they may seem to think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

Flying "smart," as you call it, isn't much of a challenge. It's more of a SA workout and making sure that you have an escape window. These are important skills, no doubt, but killing from a position of disadvantage is so much more gratifying and is more difficult to succeed at. If I'm flying in a scenario, then sure, I'll do my best to have an advantage and bring my plane home. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That depends on your understanding of this game.
If you like to pursue historical note in this game and have fun, then you will fly the way where you take minimum risk and achieve max results... in comparison with having fun playing a John Wayne and dying in first head on. There is a big difference.
Also, you will find out that in this game playing "smart" is the biggest challenge possible... staying alive while your tally rises was a prime objective of many first league online pilots.
For instance if you search thru this forum, you will find countless thread about K/D ratio...



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Regarding you not having fun on spits vs 109s, I don't understand why is that server so dramatically different from other servers of that type to you, regardless of settings.
All dogfight servers are more or less shoot em up type; they earned that name because of very few people there trying to do something historical and most other people just trying to find something to shoot or destroy paying little attention to "redundant" things such is group formations, bomber escorts etc. Idea is flawed from the start if you pursue "historical" flying as the game possibly can offer.

On the other hand coops, while providing maximum historical capability sometimes can be a real pain because of waiting times.

Yes, I'm itching to give cooperative play a try.

What's different about no icons? Exactly what I said: friendly aircraft do not try to attack me! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>There must be some radical change in the online playing lately, because I assure you, I was shot down less than 5 times by friendly fire on account of mistaken identity on realistic-like-setting servers in years of playing this game.
I guess a large share of new "players" is taking its toll...

Anyway you can fly on servers such is WarClouds where people used to get booted as soon as they kill friendly aircraft (or reach -400pts, I don't really recall). That is arguably the most successful repellent available for such rude people.

megalopsuche
03-09-2009, 05:02 PM
There must be some radical change in the online playing lately, because I assure you, I was shot down less than 5 times by friendly fire on mistake on realistic-like-setting servers in years of playing this game.
I guess a large share of new "players" is taking its toll...

Eh, I'm pretty sure it was an honest mistake. A lot probably depends on video resolution; ID'ing an aircraft is probably very difficult if you're running the game in low res...or maybe they didn't know to change the FoV.

general_kalle
03-09-2009, 05:02 PM
UK-D is by far my favorite server aswell.
Uk3 seams to be down permennetly...i guess there just werent enough players on it.
if you want full real like UK-D3 had you can go on the exellent Spit_vs_109 or Zeke_vs_wildcat.
realistic plane set and missions aswell.

waffen-79
03-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
As for servers I've tried...

I'm pretty sure one was "skies of fire," where 75% were in Spits or Las.

Guerre de Ciel indeed has icons but no externals. As mentioned above, all icons are black and only turn friend or foe at closer range.

that was the problem

SoF its an AIR-QUAKE server

You'll have a better online experience in SKIES of VALOUR

and You've made the perfect choice by joining Il-2 1946

take it from a man that has been in air-simmin since CFS, CFS2 and AH

jayhall0315
03-09-2009, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the bump mega and check out the online strategy and tips section where I talk about servers with 8 fliers or less. If you want to learn and watch more experienced guys try for servers with less than 8 other guys as each encounter will be longer and the rate at which you can learn by watching is faster. As you already saw, heading to AAA or Skies of Fire can be fun for abou 10 minutes until you get tired of the constant head on shooters, rammers, slammers and shoulder shooting.

Some servers you may want to try which often have Veteran or Master level fliers on and usually have less than 8 guys include:

Zekes vs Wildcats - Full Real but without as many new guys as Spits vs 109s (both servers run by the same guys) and less mistaken ID problems. Good airframe match ups and some really good pilots at times.

War over Europe - Almost full real but with limited icons and usually has less than 10 guys at night (North American time zones). Maps are a bit big but realistic.

Fly or Die 2 - Server run by FOD squadron and featuring closed cockpits but with external views and icons. Maps range from fairly realistic to fun maps and planes types change fairly frequently.

[^] Dedicated - The team server for Delta squadron that has closed cockpits with external views and icons. Full up close dogfighting with good to Master level fliers like Bengal Tiger and X32Wright.

WhistlinggDeath's Naval Aviation Fights - Private server of WD and often has naval aviation maps with realistic to semi-realistic maps that include carrier aviation. Usually full real or full real with limited 3 km icons and no external views. WD himself is also friendly to new guys and is damn hard to bring down.

HH 4.08 - Open cockpit team server of the Head Hunters squadron and features external views and icons as well. Not realistic and a little arcady but still a good set of intermediate level players on many days. Gets crowded in the afternoon though.

Try some of those out and you will probably find a little bit more rewarding online experience

Jay

WTE_Galway
03-09-2009, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
ID'ing an aircraft is probably very difficult if you're running the game in low res...or maybe they didn't know to change the FoV.

Been years since I flew online but ID-ing back then seemed easier with a lower res setting than a higher one.

My experience at the time was that no-icon servers were a bit of a waste of time for solo pilots but awesome fun once you got on as a couple of squad with teamspeak running.

VW-IceFire
03-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Online play can be quite allot of fun or an exercise in frustration. Some pilots are gentlemanly and others are very very very self absorbed. I doubt that would be different anywhere else....just what happens when you get more than a few people together at once http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Try the UK-Dedicated servers if you want a more diverse planeset. Each scenario is a different part of WWII so you get pretty much everything that is possible in the sim. There are late war battles but also early ones...the ones I find most fun most recently are early Yak-1 versus Bf109E-4 or E-7 with some TB-3s and Stukas thrown in for good measure.

I have tried no-icon servers as well and found them to be a little too difficult...if it were real life I'd have an easier time identifying the planes than on my computer screen...very difficult and challenging and just not my thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

megalopsuche
03-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Thanks for the tips on server choice! It looks like I ended up in the wrong place, but it didn't take me too long to figure it out and move on. You're absolutely correct that smaller numbers make for a more rewarding experience.

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Edit: I tried out skies of valor tonight. It was exactly what I'm looking for: good historical matchups with some really interesting aircraft variety.

DKoor
03-10-2009, 08:02 AM
Personally, I started to enjoy simple things with this sim over the time...
Things like flying some nice historical (or semi-historical) scenario, "realistic" settings, do my job and get back to base. It is really rewarding experience. Also I'm actually very glad if I do my job and don't encounter any enemy planes!
Good coops are pure gold for me in this regard... as many times you can make a workaround, do your job and evade enemy fighters.

Sometimes even on dogfight server when I don't find anyone up in the air or ground it is still excellent experience when I RTB successfully.
It provides me that extra feeling of one step toward more immersion.

Erkki_M
03-13-2009, 05:16 AM
Zekes vs. Wildcats: excellent server with very little total newbies.

Spits vs. 109s: not-quite as good one but has more players - and way more newbies.

WarClouds: of public servers, has probably the best players on the average. The missions, however, are _rather_ repetetive and the server runs only 2 or 3 different planesets, which are almost identical anyways.

Wings over Europe: a server with a "running war" = planeset changes over time, a war lasting about a month. One of the few servers where you will constantly see formations of bombers at altitudes.

By.sturmovik.de& sturmovik.II: a real running war with realistic distances, unfortunately mostly very few players.

Air Domination War: as real as it gets, huge amount of players daily. Unfortunately the server is not always up. Requires registration.

Those are the servers I play on. External views are for taking screenshots...

rnzoli
03-13-2009, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Things like flying some nice historical (or semi-historical) scenario, "realistic" settings, do my job and get back to base. It is really rewarding experience. Also I'm actually very glad if I do my job and don't encounter any enemy planes! This is exactly why I got recently hooked on this online dynamic co-op campaign: http://nkp.mohaces.com/17_Tuapse.htm

It is a challenge on it's own right to survive 10-20 missions in a row, because there are so many things that can get you killed (besides enemy fighters). There's a surprise in every mission and either you are prepared to the challenge or die (resulting in scratching your stats completely... how is that for a motivation? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif))