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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 05:35 AM
Salute Oleg

Thankyou for your work on the upcoming patch and the addon to be seen later.

I am writing this because I think you have a market out there for a particular addon.

But first in general:

My opinions on whether there should be a charge for Addons or patches is as follows:

1) Patches should never be charged for, since they merely correct problems which exist in a product already paid for.

2) Addons can be charged for, since they require additional work to be done by the designer.

However, if the designer is generous as you have been, and provides the addons for free as they were in IL-2, then of course, he will build buyer loyalty and increase sales of future products.

Now on to the Addon for FORGOTTEN BATTLES which would DEFINITELY sell.

That would be an expansion set of aircraft which includes the PE-2, Boston, B-17 and B-24.

The last two alone would sell an addon.

There are a tremendous number of Aircraft Simulation flyers who have been awaiting a designer who provides them with an ONLINE American Heavy bomber experience.

They did not receive the experience with B-17 II and online games such as ACES HIGH and WARBIRDS do not model these aircraft in the type of detail which we see in FORGOTTEN BATTLES.

I am not a Bomber flyer myself, but there are many pilots in my Squadron who would be ecstatic to have such an addition to FORGOTTEN BATTLES. And there are just as many in other Squadrons, not to mention those in general public.

So give it some consideration... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Cheers RAF74 Buzzsaw

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 05:35 AM
Salute Oleg

Thankyou for your work on the upcoming patch and the addon to be seen later.

I am writing this because I think you have a market out there for a particular addon.

But first in general:

My opinions on whether there should be a charge for Addons or patches is as follows:

1) Patches should never be charged for, since they merely correct problems which exist in a product already paid for.

2) Addons can be charged for, since they require additional work to be done by the designer.

However, if the designer is generous as you have been, and provides the addons for free as they were in IL-2, then of course, he will build buyer loyalty and increase sales of future products.

Now on to the Addon for FORGOTTEN BATTLES which would DEFINITELY sell.

That would be an expansion set of aircraft which includes the PE-2, Boston, B-17 and B-24.

The last two alone would sell an addon.

There are a tremendous number of Aircraft Simulation flyers who have been awaiting a designer who provides them with an ONLINE American Heavy bomber experience.

They did not receive the experience with B-17 II and online games such as ACES HIGH and WARBIRDS do not model these aircraft in the type of detail which we see in FORGOTTEN BATTLES.

I am not a Bomber flyer myself, but there are many pilots in my Squadron who would be ecstatic to have such an addition to FORGOTTEN BATTLES. And there are just as many in other Squadrons, not to mention those in general public.

So give it some consideration... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Cheers RAF74 Buzzsaw

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 05:44 AM
new theatres would be keen to pay for of course,or new planes with new maps

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:04 AM
They don't have to be American bombers. Any would do. Even Italian and Japanese. I've never seen the view from a Betty in any sim! But then where will you find examples still around and possibly prints?

How about Lancasters? I understand those made it home even with huge amounts of damage. Once the load is dropped and over half the gas is gone as well it doesn't take as much wing to keep you up! Having 2 tails lets you get by after losing one!

B26's would be ultra only a little less than Mossies maybe for that touch of fast and heavy pucker. The B26's had a nasty rep for landings, yes? Nice way to test the FM!

And how many German bombers got survived? I want an Arado Jet Bomber! With RATO! Only a little less than the TB3/Zveno though because NOBODY has them in ANY sim!


Neal

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:41 AM
Why it always have to be the US heavies is beyond me (especially here). I mean we already have the He-111 and the TB-3, but there are still the different Pe-2 versions, the Tu-2, the Il-4 (and DB-3 for 1941), the A-20 (AFAIK the VVS got B and G versions) as well as Ju-88 (in development), Do-217 (in development), later He-111 versions (in development) and the He-177 (in development). These are a lot more bombers that actually served on the EF and would not just be there to spice up some Hungary or Berlin 45 campaigns.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 08:08 AM
That's what I'd like to see csThor, those Russian bomber/fighter bombers like you mentioned (including the Su.2 and definitely the Pe2 & Pe3). /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

We should have what we have already made flyable, then worry about adding other bombers later. Why leave the job only half complete?

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 11:58 AM
I would love to see more medium and heavy bombers from any and all countries. Never understood why so few are flyable currently, especially Russian and German makes. I guess it's more labor intensive to create bombers than fighters.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 12:19 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 12:56 PM
You'd get my vote for a pure bomber/bomber-fighter addon. That would be a great addition to FB...

Planes in that pack could be:
-Me110C4(/B) and G2
-Pe2
-Pe3
-(Pe8 - if that's possible; you know --> the lack of cockpit blueprints /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )
-A20
-B17
-B24
-Blenheim bomber (for the finns)
-Ju88 (various versions, maybe even a nightfighter)
-Do17
-Tu2
-DB3
-SBM2


I'd also like to see a Luft46/VVS46 addon-pack with some more exotic planes (of course no arcade FM if possible /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )
That would be the perfect playing-ground for:

-Ta152
-La9
-P47M
-Me109TL
-P80
-some more versions of the Dora --> D11/12/13
-P51D
-Twin Mustang
-maybe some planned successor of the Bf109K "Kurfürst" if there was anything like this
-Go229
-some others (can't think any more right now)

of course not all of the planes listed above are that "exotic" but they still would fit in.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 01:00 PM
Gen.Firehawk161 wrote:
- You'd get my vote for a pure bomber/bomber-fighter
- addon. That would be a great addition to FB...
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- Planes in that pack could be:
--Me110C4(/B) and G2

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Hunter82
07-10-2003, 01:55 PM
agreed..would love to see the eastern front with many bombers and 'finished' before moving into a new area....we are just starting to hit the tip of the iceburg in potential just with the eastern front.

csThor wrote:
- Why it always have to be the US heavies is beyond me
- (especially here). I mean we already have the He-111
- and the TB-3, but there are still the different Pe-2
- versions, the Tu-2, the Il-4 (and DB-3 for 1941),
- the A-20 (AFAIK the VVS got B and G versions) as
- well as Ju-88 (in development), Do-217 (in
- development), later He-111 versions (in development)
- and the He-177 (in development). These are a lot
- more bombers that actually served on the EF and
- would not just be there to spice up some Hungary or
- Berlin 45 campaigns.
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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:14 PM
I paid for the game, I don't want to pay for an add-on...


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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:17 PM
RAF74Buzzsaw_XO wrote:
Salute Oleg

1) Patches should never be charged for . . .

2) Addons can be charged for, since they require
additional work to be done by the designer.
However, if the designer is generous as you have
been, and provides the addons for free as they were
in IL-2, then of course, he will build buyer loyalty
and increase sales of future products.


Yes! . . . and no /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif The free addons that we enjoy do require extra work on the part of Oleg and team, no doubt. However, this was an answer to the inability of third party developers to create, then add their own planes to the game.(the planes are hard coded into the game to reduce cheating). Oleg generously adds the the FM's, then patches (into the code) the new planes created by talented people from our own community here. This is a compromise that we all understood existed. Many of us came from a background of other CFS/FS experience that allowed us to create and share new aircraft. I am grateful that Oleg goes the extra mile for us, but IMHO a paid addon is something that needs to be created entirely by a PAID staff like those on Oleg's team, and I would have no problems paying for a product like that (I LOVE this game!!!!!). SALUTE!
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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:30 PM
I would love to see all the bombers mentioned above and make the unflyable planes flyable....regardless this is a great sim...and I am waitng with baited breath for this patch.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:51 PM
The Heavy bomber idea is a great one. The very best I've ever seen were done the CFS 1 and 2 famous squad, RAF 662. RAF_dyno-tech, RAF_Prune, RAF_Nello did just faboulous models, full cockpits, multi-engine, etc.

http://www.dyno-tech.com/bravo/index.shtml

I just looked, and sadly, the pictures of the cockpits and all are gone from the site, but the downloads are there... so if you have CFS 1, or 2, you can see them.

Still, FB could improve vastly:

1. Dropping ordinance online of course
2. Multiposition gunners, bombardier

What FB needs which might be saleable in a new game are:

A. High altitude physics and feel/look improvement from 21,000ft up to 30,000 feet.
B. New maps for Britain/Europe...

Then again do you think online netplay can handle more than 3-5 bombers at a time.. with 2-3 P51 escorts and 4-6 FW and Me109's attacking .. if that ???

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 04:12 PM
Honestly I would pay for just about any add-on. Because Im dedicated to this game and trust Oleg and his team. The only way I would not pay for an add-on is if UBIsoft tried to take control of the developing. Which they have done with other series. Look at Raven-Shield UBI took over the developing and let people who wasnt even members of the original team for the previous series develop it and they ruined the game.


The only thing I ask is that when new stand alone games roll out the door. Oleg and his team never stop supporting there previous games because it wouldnt be fair to the ones who prefer to play them.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 05:00 PM
I want to see more planes but i REALLY dont want to pay for another addon, actually i WONT pay for another addon (FB was initially planned as an addon)....

All i want to see is the bugs ironed out in FB and at least the P-51 and i'll be happy... any extra planes released for sim is just a bonus..

I bought BOTH il2 and FB (alot of you out there cant say the same, robbing oleg of well deserved money) and figure that this particular sim has already got enough of my money...

Cant wait for WW2 RTS... Will GLADLY be paying for that..

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:08 PM
If the add-on has new maps, missions, and campaigns, I would pay for it in a heartbeat. If it only adds planes, though, I cannot really see myself paying for it.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:22 PM
I think the Heavy bombers would be interesting.

And of course they would need a campaign to go with them.

And a new map. Perhaps a map of Czecheslovakia? Many United States bombing missions were flown to factories in Czecheslovakia. And also I think it is an interesting area for Czechs, since there was an uprising there, and Czech LA5FN's were flown into the area of the uprising and supported it.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:31 PM
I double bump this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The current nonflyable's need cockpits!!!


This game has such potential to incorporate many bomber types.

Although I'm dying for a B17 - again, just to simply give cockpits to the current models would be an excellent start!!!

(pe2/3, Ju88, etc...)

I understand the issue of no good details on the pe8, but that is just one of many.

Don't forget the a20.

We see this on il2center as reserved - but are they being worked on or even considered?


I'd love to see this for both online coops, virtual wars, and offline campaigns as a bomber pilot.




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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:21 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:33 PM
I would love to see a series of Brit Planes:

Spifire (OF COURSE!!!)
Tempest.
Typhoon.
Lancaster.
Hailfax.
Mosquito.
Hampden.
Meteor.

Please!?!

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:45 PM
I wouldn`t pay for an addon without a majority of fighters in it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:45 PM
How about Forgotten Bombers?

Or Forgotten Heroes - the crews of the bombers.

They were the ones who risked all on a much higher level than the fighter pilots did.

The truth is you could keep making sims based on WWII prop planes for the rest of your natural life Oleg and still have a great living off it.

All those maps, all those planes, all those tweaks... it's a goldmine, and we are right there digging it with you - but our reward is something slightly different. Pure pleasure - the kind that money cannot buy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif (unless you are into certain kinds of things... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

As long as we get a patch or an add-on every six-to-eight months I think everyone will be happy. The greatest danger I see is doing too much too soon. We have to have time to enjoy all the toys before we get new ones. But I'm sure you have great marketing people (or should have) telling you what you already know /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But bombers.... yes... that's what I'd personally love to see next... lots of big old beautiful bombers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:52 PM
csThor wrote:
- Why it always have to be the US heavies is beyond me
- (especially here). I mean we already have the He-111
- and the TB-3, but there are still the different Pe-2
- versions, the Tu-2, the Il-4 (and DB-3 for 1941),
- the A-20 (AFAIK the VVS got B and G versions) as
- well as Ju-88 (in development), Do-217 (in
- development), later He-111 versions (in development)
- and the He-177 (in development). These are a lot
- more bombers that actually served on the EF and
- would not just be there to spice up some Hungary or
- Berlin 45 campaigns.
-

Only because it has been said many times that good sources of how the Pe cockpits were don't seem to exist. IL-4 also seems to be same but I hope that is wrong! Same with IL-10! That is why I don't say those planes and think of what is available or possible.

I would so much rather have the Pe-2, 3 and 8! The IL-4 and 10! The Tupolevs! All before any western theatre bombers or even fighters. The Junkers and Dorniers would be very welcome to me! Where do I get to fly them in a sim? Okay, the Ju-88 I think but not the poor Dorniers I haven't.

I would like it if Oleg would relax the cockpit standards for those important planes to which there are no good documents and photos. That is how much I wish for them. They are part of a history that we learn something about by doing. We don't learn all but we learn something.

And to tell the truth I am also wishing for the Luft 46 models but the MOST of all I want to see is the WWI planes with frame stress has to be in there... and I want the West Front of those just because the war ran there long enough to get the technology developed beyond minimum.

But first, the patch must be good! Then, I hope for many many
addons at whatever price is needed to keep the sim alive and
growing. It will be good to support the company and to have
the sim I have grow and not be orphaned.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 08:05 PM
Some new planes and new maps...
China maps perhaps... Med too... Maybe(most likeli) a VVS-Imperial fleet combat scenery /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Otherwise, with no new maps and locations, no add-on for me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:36 AM
An Add on that contained varients of Japanese and American Fleet Aircraft Carriers, that you could take off and Land on, would sell more copies in the United States alone than all combined sales of IL2 & FB combined World Wide to date.

Then you take into account sales from Japan , Australia, New Zealand, and Indonesia.

So be carefull when you talk about sales potential in a flight Sim add on.
Never under estimate that huge consumer base in America, Look at California as an example, in that single US State they sell more sports cars of all kinds annualy, than are sold Globally annualy.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:50 AM
Japan is surely a very dense market, as is Singapore and Hong Kong, Taiwan ... all have good to excellent PC's per capita, yes? From what I have read, sales of FB in the US were not so good for such a large market... only 80,000 initially.

Carriers. Yes there should be the Brit ones and the Fairey Swordfish with a Mediterranian map featuring Taranto, hehe! The first attack on a Naval Base by carrier based planes?

I'm beginning to wonder what the Russian side will have for 1946 planes. I bet a surprise from a history that isn't read of much in the west, and not just the Yaks seen in Korea.


neal

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07-11-2003, 09:05 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 09:00 AM
"carguy_ wrote:
- I wouldn`t pay for an addon without a majority of
- fighters in it."

I can't for the life of me think of cheaper fun. I paid $39.95 at Best Buy for IL2 and later another $39 or 49 for IL2 FB. I have played 100's of hours of it. I think many would pay for a bomber pack, I know I would. A mixed add-on would probably draw more then a pure bomber one. France 1940 would add both Bombers and fighters to the mix. Hope Luther is lost making "Winter War" as many of us are getting paranoid over a lack of posts here.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:02 PM
It would be great to see all these bomber types and other requested aircraft. However, FB needs a high-alt FM first /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:14 PM
Another add-on that would be worth paying for would be a developers kit (map editor, etc).

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:18 PM
Willey wrote:
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- href="http://www.il2center.com/Country.php?Country
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The problem with this is that il2center.com hasn't been updated in months. It still has a hacked message on the home page, and has most recently focused on some British voices mod and an "ignore" campaign against someone who was apparently pestering the boards at some point (starting a campaign to ignore someone is quite counterproductuve IMO, since you're basically doing the opposite).

When the site was updated on a regular basis, I remember projects being started, suspended, handed over to someone else, or terminated entirely as people have to fulfil other obligations. I would imagine quite a bit of this has happened and the il2center.com list is likely no longer accurate.

Anyone hear from Luthier lately?

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:55 PM
B17V2 was an awesome project and sim that ran out of resources and never met its potential. I still keep a system on DX8 (on WinXP) so that I can continue to fly it.

I wish like heck Oleg and company would add the B17 in its full glory and allow the full complement of human players in each ship, instead of the solo play that B17V2 did.

The Battle Of Britian (IL2 addon for pay) would be the perfect vehicle to deliver to us the Mighty Eight's flying fortresses.

One of the big challenges the design team would have to deal with, is moving up the multiplayer limit of 32 players to something akin to BF1942's capacity in the hundreds of players. I believe Oleg once told me he had other online games (before IL2) that were able to host large numbers of players "massively multiplayer".

So this shouldnt be a barrier that cannot be overcome, I should hope anyways. Think of it, do the math: How many players make up a box formation and wing?

(9 players per bomber) x (# bombers per squad) x (# squads per wing) = ??

then add the escorts and enemy fighters and its got to be in the hundreds of players easily. But with the night fighters, search lights, this could easily be a stand alone product in of itself along side of IL2 series. The PTO could be yet another project for another time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways, food for thought.

AV8R

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 12:59 AM
I dont mind paying for one or two addons (addons not planes) But what about playing with these planes on-line?? Does enough people buy them??

Lets say it is some lesser-know planes. I cant really believe that very many will buy those http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

All I'm saying... is that I want to be able to fly them on-line (when I get my ADSL connection that is)

So I hope an payware addon will feature some rather well know aircrafts as well as lesser known in the same pack. Still, I really cant buy to many addons either...

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:44 PM
#1 Pacific including philipeans and chn AVG etc "From pearl to the surrender of japan"
#2 Med "Mainly for the aircraft and stunning coastlines"
#3 Battle of britain " Been Done Many times but needs to be done for the FB engine"
#4 North Africa "Mainly becuase of horable terrain and flat dessert"
#5 Spanish Civil War, the he111 could outrun any enemy fighter back then


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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 06:53 PM
And why not the Aleoutians?

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:38 AM
anything i c in the store for add to forgoten battles i will buy it anything, even new tree options

"Never forget the past so we dont make the same mistakes in the future"

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 08:15 AM
It could work for everyone online if all new planes were released as unflyables for free and the addons made them flyable. Then online you would see them all but you pay for the ones you want to fly. Easy to have servers for anyone, everyone, at least those who like the realism options but don't have to pick which addons have to be used. It would clean things up for servers and players.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 01:19 PM
It's quite fun to hear you already talk about addonS (plural) while we're still waiting for the very first patch.

Anyway I would also pay for a bomber addon (my fav is the Tu-2).

BTW I think it would be great to add some variants of existing aircraft such as the Yak with different armement (as there was Yak9 with 1xNS37 and 2xB-20, or the yak9K could also carry NS23, NS37 and NS45 cannons). These would only mean minor changes to the model (different gun barrels) and perhaps changes to the FM due to different gun weight. Minor modifications like these already exist on the MiG.

Great game anyway

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 06:58 PM
I don't understand all the "Why B-17" questions, why Fw-190D9s or Me-163s for that matter(since they were essentially designed to counter Allied bombers on the Western front). B-17s,B-24s and Lancasters were the biggest bombers, the dropped more bombs and they were more significant to the outcome of the war than any Russian or German bombing missions ( with a few exceptions like the bombing og L ).

It could be said that the war was won on the ground on the Eastern front, and was won in the air on the Western front.
"Why B-17" is like asking "Why T-34s" or "Why Stalingrad".

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 11:54 AM
WWMaxguns wrote,
Japan is surely a very dense market, as is Singapore and Hong Kong, Taiwan ... all have good to excellent PC's per capita, yes? From what I have read, sales of FB in the US were not so good for such a large market... only 80,000 initially.

That also surprised me!, there has to be a reason for that, and I do not think it was market saturation.
You some times wonder about weather doing the Russian front on a second occasion, was such a good idea, and releasing it first in a market place where every man and his dog wants a Pacific Sim from 1C.
( Not the Russian front on a second occasion, already been done with IL-2)
You know like trying to sell ice cream to eskimoes.

Still the Sim has the flexability for new maps, together with aircraft comming to FB you can create different theatres of the War anyway.

S!

XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:25 PM
For sure some of it had to do with the political climate at the time. There was a lot of cheerleading, so to speak, going on. How would sales have been if the sim had come from France? My guess would be dismal.

Some of it had to come from IL2 not being as popular as it could have been had it been more tuned in terms of the DM. A lot of people were unhappy about how quick the engines on some planes took damage as opposed to others and that had to hurt in terms of online play and word of mouth especially there. At the least it would have got more people taking a wait and see approach to FB. If that is true then the state of this patch coupled with the drop in price might cause a new wave of sales.

I still feel okay for having supported 1C by buying FB when it first came out. If there were not enough sales then would there be a patch at all?

I know the addon that I want fiercely: WWI, West Front. Must include midwar to late war planes when the technology really started to fly well. For that, I would pay for a whole sim easily! The cockpits don't have to be exact either. The FM's should be dangerous to fly and the engines should be unreliable to different degrees somewhat known. If it is done complete with ground objects, balloons, zeppelins and many flyables including the big bombers then I would pay twice as much and so would I believe many, many others who have been or still are Red Baron 1, 2 & 3D fans. Just please if it is done, no rockets like that sim!


Neal

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 02:13 PM
B-17, B-24s, B-26s.. surely I don't have anything against them, but they are high altitude bombers.. and FB is missing high altitude /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif and western front..

Instead I would like to see Ju-88, Pe-2/Pe-3/Pe-8, Tu-2, SB-3, Sb-2, More Stuka-variants, more IL-2 sturmovik variants, Flyable HS-129, DB-3, Me-210, BF-110, Bleinhems.. IARs... now after that this would make Forgotten Battles truly "Forgotten Battles"..
I could actually pay for these planes, as a add-on.. and it surely would be worth it..


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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:42 PM
There is money in my pocket!
All you have to do to get it is make more planes flyable.
S~