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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 07:51 PM
At "virtualpilots.fi" there is always interesting reading
and especially the interviews with finnish ww2 veterans.
They contain much info of different planes and they describe "their" aircraft as they saw and used them.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/



Below are direct links to the articles about fin ace Ky√¬∂sti Karhila and his recollections of the bf109 and other
planes.
Especially interesting in these articles is the info about Bf109 radiator and combat in slow speed to be able to make tight turns. Also notice that mr Karhila flew with 3 cannons( gunpods?)

An intresting note should also be made about the hasty production of LaGG3 (pictures)

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/WW2History-KyostiKarhilaInterview.html


http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/WW2History-KyostiKarhilaCoffee.html

Hope u take the time to browse through these 2 articles. Its worth it.


ENJOY !!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 07:51 PM
At "virtualpilots.fi" there is always interesting reading
and especially the interviews with finnish ww2 veterans.
They contain much info of different planes and they describe "their" aircraft as they saw and used them.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/



Below are direct links to the articles about fin ace Ky√¬∂sti Karhila and his recollections of the bf109 and other
planes.
Especially interesting in these articles is the info about Bf109 radiator and combat in slow speed to be able to make tight turns. Also notice that mr Karhila flew with 3 cannons( gunpods?)

An intresting note should also be made about the hasty production of LaGG3 (pictures)

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/WW2History-KyostiKarhilaInterview.html


http://www.virtualpilots.fi/en/hist/WW2History-KyostiKarhilaCoffee.html

Hope u take the time to browse through these 2 articles. Its worth it.


ENJOY !!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 08:27 PM
Yeah, and interview confirmed, that VVS did use Mustans over the FInnish front.. and few were shot down too.. since some of the VVS-whiners refused to believe that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Interesting to see that some Finnish pilots would have preferred FW-190 over 109, but I guess Germany needed by themselfs ...


Message Edited on 08/17/0309:35PM by Vipez-

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 09:02 PM
Vipez- wrote:
- Yeah, and interview confirmed, that VVS did use
- Mustans over the FInnish front.. and few were shot
- down too.. since some of the VVS-whiners refused to
- believe that

The Mustangs claimed by the Finns are known today to have been only identification mistakes, the Axis air forces having been briefed on the P-51 by the germans, they considerd themselves likely to meet some of them, which led to these mistakes, e.g. the one claimed by Juutilainen was in fact a Yak-9.

The Romanian air force also claimed some "soviet Mustangs" which were Yaks, the only P-51s shot down over Romania being USAAF ones.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 09:43 PM
nicli wrote:
-
- Vipez- wrote:
-- Yeah, and interview confirmed, that VVS did use
-- Mustans over the FInnish front.. and few were shot
-- down too.. since some of the VVS-whiners refused to
-- believe that
-
- The Mustangs claimed by the Finns are known today to
- have been only identification mistakes, the Axis air
- forces having been briefed on the P-51 by the
- germans, they considerd themselves likely to meet
- some of them, which led to these mistakes, e.g. the
- one claimed by Juutilainen was in fact a Yak-9.
-
- The Romanian air force also claimed some "soviet
- Mustangs" which were Yaks, the only P-51s shot down
- over Romania being USAAF ones.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

who has confirmed this ? Or were the Finns probably mistaken? If U have a source plz post it.


There was so much going on on all sides those days and not everything was carefully logged , not even transfers of planes and also lots of archived records was lost during wartime and after.

I know from Juutilainens book that he had seen Yak9 fighters and recognized them as a new adition on red side.
So with this recognition it feels strange that he would missidentify them as p51, although the yak reminds a
bit of the early p51 type exept from cockpit area and tailplane.But again there is always a possibility of missidentification.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:18 PM
I found it really interesting that the 109 there were no glares or flame when firing the MG's, if this is coming from a person who flew the 109 alot, I think it should be considerd for IL-2/FB

http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia/MC202-003.jpg
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Message Edited on 08/17/0302:19PM by Wetwilly87

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:11 AM
The Romanian pilot's indeed shot only USAF Mustangs, and indeed there were some Yak's 3/9 misidebtified by the pilots to Mustangs, fact probably explanayed due to the fact that the Romanian AF was fighting on 2 fronts simultaneously, and the USAF bombers togheter with their escort, after crossing over Ploiesti, usualy landed on soviet airfields(Poltava and Migorod, Piriatin), and repeated the attack next day, when they were returning to Italy.
Also is quite known the fact that may AC were confused, There was a movie with 109 posted here somewhere. An at an certain angle, A group of 109's looked VERY similar with a bunch of Hurris.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:44 AM
Here's a Finnish Bf 109G6:
<center>http://www.il2skins.com/skins/screenshots/4064.jpg </center>
OK, it's not historical it's just for fun , but looks cool over winter maps.
Here's the link to download: http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=4064
Please rate!!( just push "Rate it", Excelent is already selected./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif just kidding../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

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<center>http://www.btinternet.com/~jj_b/vaw/images/iar81t.jpg </center>
<center>A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great'
landing is one after which they can use the plane again<center>

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 03:10 AM
Nobody likes this or what??

<center>"The show must go on..."<center>
<center>http://www.btinternet.com/~jj_b/vaw/images/iar81t.jpg </center>
<center>A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great'
landing is one after which they can use the plane again<center>

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:54 AM
It is beautiful, but actually FAF never used winter camo on ME109 planes.

Once it was said that Mustangs Finns shot down were Apaches.
(The early model of Mustang with allison engine.)
But dunno for sure...

SheerLuck Holmes

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:04 AM
nicli wrote:
-
- Vipez- wrote:
-- Yeah, and interview confirmed, that VVS did use
-- Mustans over the FInnish front.. and few were shot
-- down too.. since some of the VVS-whiners refused to
-- believe that
-
- The Mustangs claimed by the Finns are known today to
- have been only identification mistakes, the Axis air
- forces having been briefed on the P-51 by the
- germans, they considerd themselves likely to meet
- some of them, which led to these mistakes, e.g. the
- one claimed by Juutilainen was in fact a Yak-9.
-

Yes, those downed and "indentified" Mustangs were actually Yak-9s, and this is also admitted by Finnish aviation history nowadays (look e.g. Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia 21: Lent√¬§v√¬§t Ritarit, by Kalevi Keskinen & Kari Stenman (http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/sih21.html)). The actual type of the "P-38" which was shot down by Juutilainen is still more or less guessing. However, it has been most probably a warbooty FW-189, but there is no confirmation for that.



Regards
-Porsimo

Message Edited on 08/18/0308:12AM by Porsimo