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MEGILE
08-15-2006, 02:00 PM
..like in reality, will BoB finally get the Focke Wulf right, and allow it to dogfight and totally dominate the Spitfires?
All other sims have it wrong aswell, like in IL2.

maybe BoB will be the first to do it right

DIRTY-MAC
08-15-2006, 02:03 PM
It already dominates over the Spit in PF and will probably do it even more in BoB

Irish_Rogues
08-15-2006, 02:03 PM
One can only hope.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
08-15-2006, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
It already dominates over the Spit in PF and will probably do it even more in BoB

Agreed........

faustnik
08-15-2006, 02:05 PM
No.

JtD
08-15-2006, 02:09 PM
I don't think there were Fockes in BoB. And Spits weren't the most common British fighter.

But I'd say the 109E will dominate the Hurricanes.

3.JG51_BigBear
08-15-2006, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by JtD:
I don't think there were Fockes in BoB. And Spits weren't the most common British fighter.

But I'd say the 109E will dominate the Hurricanes.

Oleg has said that early model FWs will probably be added in one of the 1st addons to BOB. I guess he'd have to include the Spit mk2 also.

slipBall
08-15-2006, 02:24 PM
Absolutely!

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AVGWarhawk
08-15-2006, 02:25 PM
Great, addons already and the first disc has not been packaged for sale. The FW was not in BoB.

VW-IceFire
08-15-2006, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
..like in reality, will BoB finally get the Focke Wulf right, and allow it to dogfight and totally dominate the Spitfires?
All other sims have it wrong aswell, like in IL2.

maybe BoB will be the first to do it right
Almost got me Meagile! Almost!

Abbeville-Boy
08-15-2006, 04:42 PM
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Viper2005_
08-15-2006, 04:44 PM
I want a fishing emoticon! Preferably it should be a troll with a fishing rod. For more serious instances, I'd also like an emoticon featuring a troll in a motorboat fishing with dynamite...

faustnik
08-15-2006, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
I want a fishing emoticon! Preferably it should be a troll with a fishing rod. For more serious instances, I'd also like an emoticon featuring a troll in a motorboat fishing with dynamite...

I have a picture of a fat guy (well, me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif ) holding a bass, if that helps.

Hey, I found one that is appropriate:

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/gallery/silly/poor_fishing.jpg

zero85ZEN
08-15-2006, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
..like in reality, will BoB finally get the Focke Wulf right, and allow it to dogfight and totally dominate the Spitfires?
All other sims have it wrong aswell, like in IL2.

maybe BoB will be the first to do it right

Well done! This one rates a 9! Very subtle...you had me till the line, "All other sims have it wrong as well, like in IL2".
There you just SLIGHTLY overplayed your hand.

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WWMaxGunz
08-15-2006, 08:31 PM
Depends on two things.

1) what you mean by dogfight
2) will you be able to

Both can be NO and still the models be close to real.

If for 1 you mean turnfight, no the FW is not generally suitable.

Charos
08-15-2006, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
..like in reality, will BoB finally get the Focke Wulf right, and allow it to dogfight and totally dominate the Spitfires?
All other sims have it wrong aswell, like in IL2.

maybe BoB will be the first to do it right


The FW190 is a Dog at fighting Spitfires - so in essence you already have what you request. (A Dog fighter)

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MrMojok
08-15-2006, 09:38 PM
In BoB the FW190 will be able to carry bombs to drop on the English, also it will be amphibious so you have to drive straight off the beach and cross the channel at -2 meters altitude, but once you get there 100 german soldiers will pop out of the exhaust and attack the nearest pub or library or church.

Also it will kill men and spitfires and horses. But not horses.

BillyTheKid_22
08-16-2006, 12:19 AM
Nice catch!

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WWMaxGunz
08-16-2006, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
I don't think there were Fockes in BoB. And Spits weren't the most common British fighter.

But I'd say the 109E will dominate the Hurricanes.

Oleg has said that early model FWs will probably be added in one of the 1st addons to BOB. I guess he'd have to include the Spit mk2 also. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BoB is first part of Storm Of War series. Not addons, series.
First FW-190A flew in 1941. So did first Spit V. First action of FW-190A's was -1's that met
and defeated Spit V's in Sept 1941. The Brits were not ready and had to change tactics.

Spitfire II is Spitfire I with 3 blade Rotol prop was phased in Sept 1940, during the BoB.

109E did not dominate Hurricanes below 8000 ft but still was better. Below 4000 ft the Hurri
had better sustained turn but still slower. Hurri engine lost too much power with alt.

joeap
08-16-2006, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by Charos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
..like in reality, will BoB finally get the Focke Wulf right, and allow it to dogfight and totally dominate the Spitfires?
All other sims have it wrong aswell, like in IL2.

maybe BoB will be the first to do it right


The FW190 is a Dog at fighting Spitfires - so in essence you already have what you request. (A Dog fighter)

Im Blue im blue what else can I do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What kind of cheese goes with blue whine?

stathem
08-16-2006, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
..like in reality, will BoB finally get the Focke Wulf right, and allow it to dogfight and totally dominate the Spitfires?
All other sims have it wrong aswell, like in IL2.

maybe BoB will be the first to do it right


The FW190 is a Dog at fighting Spitfires - so in essence you already have what you request. (A Dog fighter)

Im Blue im blue what else can I do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What kind of cheese goes with blue whine? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The hard kind.

JG53Frankyboy
08-16-2006, 04:11 AM
for BoB perhaps a "small" download to pay for AdOn (like the comming IL10 one) for channel operations 1941/42 (Dieppe ) with stuff like:
Hurricane II
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire IXc
Mustang I
Boston III
Mosquito IV
Bf109F-2,4
Fw190A-1,3
Do217E

no new map needed i think.
and after that, than a huge MTO game on DVD.

Maddox game should stop to make huge free downloads with lots of new planes, maps and stuff. only bugfixes should be free in the SoW series.

and from my VOW COOP experince flying Fw190A-4 vs Spitfire Mk.Vb in a 1942 campaign , the Fw is slaughtering the Spit in that time frame already in IL2.

JG53Frankyboy
08-16-2006, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
............. Below 4000 ft the Hurri
had better sustained turn but still slower. Hurri engine lost too much power with alt.

just to be sure, the Spit I and Hurri I had the same Merlin engine variant ?!

WOLFMondo
08-16-2006, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
for BoB perhaps a "small" download to pay for AdOn (like the comming IL10 one) for channel operations 1941/42 (Dieppe ) with stuff like:
Hurricane II
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire IXc
Mustang I
Boston III
Mosquito IV
Bf109F-2,4
Fw190A-1,3
Do217E

no new map needed i think.
and after that, than a huge MTO game on DVD.

Maddox game should stop to make huge free downloads with lots of new planes, maps and stuff. only bugfixes should be free in the SoW series.

and from my VOW COOP experince flying Fw190A-4 vs Spitfire Mk.Vb in a 1942 campaign , the Fw is slaughtering the Spit in that time frame already in IL2.

Agreed on both counts.

raaaid
08-16-2006, 05:00 AM
totally agreed im sick of hearing that experten prefered 109 to 190 because of the high altitude engine but 190 was known as an excellent turner

WOLFMondo
08-16-2006, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
totally agreed im sick of hearing that experten prefered 109 to 190 because of the high altitude engine but 190 was known as an excellent turner

Obviously known only to raaaid. Thank the maker your not an authority on the FW190.

MEGILE
08-16-2006, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
for BoB perhaps a "small" download to pay for AdOn (like the comming IL10 one) for channel operations 1941/42 (Dieppe ) with stuff like:
Hurricane II
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire IXc
Mustang I
Boston III
Mosquito IV
Bf109F-2,4
Fw190A-1,3
Do217E

no new map needed i think.
and after that, than a huge MTO game on DVD.

Maddox game should stop to make huge free downloads with lots of new planes, maps and stuff. only bugfixes should be free in the SoW series.


hmmm.. you know Franky, that makes sense.
Instead of releasing the downloads for several planes, Oleg releases a whole theatre/time frame, on a single DvD?
This way he ensures both sides get the correct planes & payloads.. in theory anyway, PF was not exactly a good example of this.
Be sure development time would be 2 weeks times infinity, but that's a good idea.


JGFrankyMeister - and from my VOW COOP experince flying Fw190A-4 vs Spitfire Mk.Vb in a 1942 campaign , the Fw is slaughtering the Spit in that time frame already in IL2.

hmmm IMO, this and Spit IX vs. FW-190D9 is the only matchups where the Focke Wulf can dominate.
Spit IX vs. A6... its very equal, maybe even in favour of the Spitfire... the A6 pilot has to be sierra hotel, or have a good wingman.

stathem
08-16-2006, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
............. Below 4000 ft the Hurri
had better sustained turn but still slower. Hurri engine lost too much power with alt.

just to be sure, the Spit I and Hurri I had the same Merlin engine variant ?! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it was the inefficency of the very thick Hurricane wing which led to its poor altitude performance.