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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:23 PM
Friends,

My video PNY 5200 AGP 128 meg card just took a dive. It was approximately 4 months old. I'm now in the markrt for a new Nvidia based video card. I still just can't trust ATI. Suggestions??

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:23 PM
Friends,

My video PNY 5200 AGP 128 meg card just took a dive. It was approximately 4 months old. I'm now in the markrt for a new Nvidia based video card. I still just can't trust ATI. Suggestions??

"I am a hunter. When I have shot down an Englishman my hunter's passion is satisfied for a quater of an hour."
-Manfred Von Richtoffen

" I fear no over heat 'till the needle on both guages hits the nine...Then it's too late."
-Me


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:26 PM
guess just depends what kind of money u have. ive had my 5900U for about 2 months and i love it. oh and i feel the same way about ati, prolly will never change my mind either.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 08:50 PM
5900U is currently the fastest card for Il2. I thought about getting it myself but it most likely won't support future DX9 games very well. This turned me off. I got the R9800pro instead but I don't think I'll keep it either because it's way to slow at 1600x1200 in perfect mode with some eye candy turned on. That's native res on my LCD panel and at 3.2GHZ, the card is the bottleneck right now.

I'm waiting for the next generation of video cards...


EDIT 1: The R9800/pro (or even 9600pro) will make this game fly at anything less than my resolution provided your CPU can keep up. Don't worry about the drivers - I've been very impressed so far and they screwed me up with AIWs so much in the past.

EDIT 2: Also, if you want Il2 speed for cheap then eVGA fx5900 non-pro for $239 would be a great choice too.

EDIT 3: R9800 non-pro is currently selling for $249 at BestBuy - grab it if you decide to go the ATi route :-)



Message Edited on 09/24/03 07:55PM by cracovian

Message Edited on 09/24/03 08:02PM by cracovian

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 09:00 PM
Radeon 9800 pro! definitely.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 10:11 PM
I second that - Radeon 9800 Pro (upgraded from a Geforce 4 Ti4600 last week and won't look back)

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 10:19 PM
cracovian wrote:
- I got the R9800pro instead but I
- don't think I'll keep it either because it's way to
- slow at 1600x1200 in perfect mode with some eye
- candy turned on. That's native res on my LCD panel
- and at 3.2GHZ, the card is the bottleneck right now.


I'm getting a new 22" monitor in a few days, and I'm wondering what kind of performance I'd get in FB at 1600x1200 with an Athlon XP 2400+, Radeon 9700 Pro and 1024MB DDR333?

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 10:34 PM
Your 9700pro will run very well at 1600x1200 but don't expect to use any high AA/AF on it if at all. My R9800pro w/3.2GHZ is getting less than 40FPS (just enough for the 25ms LCD) in perfect mode with 2xAA. It stutters over cities and dogfights sometimes, so I usually disable it...

With those settings maxed out, we'd be getting mid 10fps at that resolution which really sucks - no pretty pictures for us /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif That's why I won't keep it for long. I want to see everything there's to see with the next generation, I hope.

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- wondering what kind of performance I'd get in FB at
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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 10:51 PM
cracovian wrote:
- Your 9700pro will run very well at 1600x1200 but
- don't expect to use any high AA/AF on it if at all.
- My R9800pro w/3.2GHZ is getting less than 40FPS
- (just enough for the 25ms LCD) in perfect mode with
- 2xAA. It stutters over cities and dogfights
- sometimes, so I usually disable it...


Thanks for the link! I'm currently running FB at 1024x768x32, 4x AA, 16xAF and maximum details. I'll probably drop the AA to 2x and change Landscape detail to excellent. If that's too slow, I'll also drop AF to 8x.


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 11:08 PM
Why the hell would you run 16xas and only 4xaa ???


Change it too 6xaa & 4x ansiotropic Filtering


AA is what makes it look good, AS is a waste imo

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 11:19 PM
VonHeide wrote:
- Friends,
-
- My video PNY 5200 AGP 128 meg card just took a dive.
- It was approximately 4 months old. I'm now in the
- markrt for a new Nvidia based video card. I still
- just can't trust ATI. Suggestions??

LOL, So your Nvidia crapped out after 4 monthes and you don't trust ATI.

Thats funny!

Are you female by chance? Sounds like something my wife would say! LOL





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ZG77_Nagual
09-25-2003, 01:12 AM
cracovian - at that res and those settings a 256 meg card might help - if you 9800 pro isn't - if it is I don't think you'll see much improvement from the 5900

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 02:31 AM
I can run 1600x1200 in Perfect with my 5900 Ultra 256. But AA is not useable at that res. At 1024x758, fps is good with AA on, but the jaggies aren't effectively filtered (I went to a 22" monitor, so jaggies would show more anyway). Fast card, but I still think their AA scheme is a little off. I sometimes have to drop to 1200x1024 around large cities.

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I have a sneaking suspicion the Audigy 2 is only maginally better than my 1 was, as some stutters happen with more sound. To me, the cards act like they think they're the only thing in the system. You might consider soliciting some sound card opinions too.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 06:05 PM
Radeon 256 is way too much money considering the new cards will come out any minute now and probably (they'd better) stay in the same price range. I'm not sure if that extra memory would help that much either. 5900 non-ultra w/128MB adds like 10 fps to 128 Radeons in Il2 but I'd like to use my card in the future too and there are some serious flaws with current nVidias when it comes to DX9 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- cracovian - at that res and those settings a 256 meg
- card might help - if you 9800 pro isn't - if it is I
- don't think you'll see much improvement from the
- 5900

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 06:09 PM
Next time you buy a card, get Nvidia (of course) but don't buy from those cheapo companies like PNY, Albatron, Leadtek, etc.

Buy from Asus or MSI. They use quality parts.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 07:08 PM
Nvidia last gen cards work extremely bad compeared with ATI in DX9 tests so if you look in today stuff but keep in mind that future is near , your best bet would be a 9800 Pro .
Nvidia screwed totaly the PS2 and they dont hawe the hardware build in 24 Bit within DX9 specs and the card hawe only 4x2 pipes like the GF4 line , in high demanding apps like Half Life 2 , Tomb R and other future DX9 games the 9600Pro score higher FPS than 5900 Ultra .
This stuff is hardware , drivers can't fix this , the only thing newer Dets can do in DX9 is cut IQ for more speed or play the game in plain DX8.1.


If you dont like ATI i sudgest you to avoid ASUS , they already stopped producing Nvidia cards last month and signed with ATI ,... they will start to produce ATI based vcd's in January 2004 , sad news for people who bought cards from them .
A good Nvidia brand imo is MSI wich i hawe now (TI4400) , very good overclocking and well priced .



Message Edited on 09/25/0306:11PM by R.D.D

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 07:39 PM
VonHeide wrote:
- Friends,
-
- My video PNY 5200 AGP 128 meg card just took a dive.
- It was approximately 4 months old. I'm now in the
- markrt for a new Nvidia based video card. I still
- just can't trust ATI. Suggestions??


i can't give you suggestion but i can give you common sense.
the card you bought last you only 4 months? why dont you just get the same card then /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 07:46 PM
You should tell them to replace the card.

Your next upgrade should be a MSI FX5700.



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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 07:50 PM
I have a 9800pro and with the new cats i get 65 to 130 fps offline on excellent settings under all conditions never see it drop below 54 even under intense scenes tweeking your system to run to its best ability is a must/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Online i use different settings so that i can stay above 60fps usually around 75 or so depends on whats going on in the server I have owned many nvidia cards but they don't compare to ATIcards they are Canadian like me/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif so they kick ***/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif also like me/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 08:09 PM
LOL no im quite the male brother...And i think the fault lies with more with PNY and the games I play than invidia..Thank you all for your suggestions...I might just get the 9700 all in wonder...Or 5900....Damn...Decisions...
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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 08:11 PM
If i were you i`d go for 9800PRO.
But if you decide to go with Nvidia, i stringly recommend ASUS cards. Quality guaranteed! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 08:33 PM
I had the Voodoo 5 5500,which was ok for Medium settings with frames at about 18 - 22. I now have the
GeForce 5600 256 AGP. The frames are at about 28 - 38 depending on the scenery. The card would freeze up and a reboot was needed to continue. I had to install Omega drivers and turn back the card clock settings a bit to stabilize it. All is well now. If I had to do it over I would spend the 200$ on something else.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 08:46 PM
VonHeide, Ty for taking my post in jest. I was afraid it would be taken harshly.

I have a 9800np I got at best buy for 249. It overclocks easily to pro speeds. I get 40-70fps in cp with 4x AA and 16x aniso at 10x76x32 with all excellent settings. I usually stay maxed out at 85fps (vsynch on) no cp with some drops to 50-60 in heavy skies over cities.

Whatever you decide, Good luck!



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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 09:44 PM
If you have the cash and wanna upgrade right now, get an ATI card, either Radeon 9800pro or AIW 9700pro, you can't go wrong with either.

If you don't have the cash right now, wait at least until Q1 next year when Nvidia's and ATI's next generation of GPUs hit the streets, then you may have an NVidia card worth spending cash on and a faster ATI offering.

I know how you feel about being loyal to NVidia and stuff, I owned 3 Nvidia cards in a row (Riva TNT2, Geforce2 GTS and Geforce4Ti4200) and neither let me down, in fact, the last Geforce4ti4200 is the card that so far has given me the best price/performance ratio ever.

But after trying last month a GeforceFX 5600Ultra, I got very dissapointed (the Ti4200 sometimes even outperformed it), that and the last NVidia cheating scandals plus the DX9 fiasco made me go the ATI way and last week got me an AIW9700pro and I am still impressed with this card.

So far I got flawless performance in Tron2.0 and Aquanox2 (both DX8-9 games) with maxed-out settings, IL-2FB runs like a dream (provided you use the latest Catalyst 3.7 drivers) giving me 30-40FPs average in 1024x768 Perfect mode with 4xAA and 2xAniso both, online and offline. And I got TV/DVD playback plus video capture all in one nice little (smaller than ti4200) card, not to mention the added remote control and multimedia software, a truly sweet package in all.

Ah, I also run linux on a second partition and feared a lack of support/drivers for it from ATI since I was used to NVidia's superb Linux drivers, but I was wrong, ATI's Linux drivers installed without a hitch and now I even got TV out in Linux, which is not yet available in Nvidia. Talk about being mislead by rumors /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So, as I said at the beggining of this post, either get a 9800pro or the AIW 9700pro. On Nvidia's current FX line, the only card worth your while is the 5900Ultra, but that is a cool $100+ more than a 9800pro or an AIW9700pro, and as I mentioned, its DX9 performance is crappy, hell, even my generation older 9700pro outperforms it in HL2 pure DX9 mode.

If you still wanna get NVidia, wait for their next generation GPU (NV40something?) and have your 5200 replaced by a similar one for free in the meantime. I know I wouldn't.





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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 09:52 PM
Got Radeon 9800 non pro manufactured by Sapphire with 3.3 ns Samsung memory.

Flashed BIOS to Pro version and got myself a R 9800 Pro for under 250 bucks. Moreover it overcklocks really well. I'm running at 400Mhz core/700Mhz memory with standard cooler and no memory coolers.

Getting 5500 3DMarks on a AMD 2200+ not overclocked.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 09:58 PM
I've got a little old 9500Pro that will have to do for now../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I would recommend the 9800Pro as well.. I have heard nothing bad about that card. If your cqrd is 4 mos old isnt it still under warranty? Or did you try to OC it and fry it?

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:33 PM
I have the R9800pro, it *is* the best card overall but, if I had more money to blow, then I'd pick 5900 ($239!!!) or 5900U for Sturmovik alone. They run it faster, period, but that's about it.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 08:16 PM
Well guys, it is still a fiasco...I havent even got my comp back yet but i expect it back today...PNY wants to send me a replacement card...Cant get any $$$ out of them...Thinking of 9600 non pro now...Should i get 9600 pro?? I cant seem to find a major difference in performance by reading boxes...

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 08:51 AM
TI4600 is really good and cheap buy that 1 for now you dont need pay to much for a new fx beacuse the ti4600 is the best for less price ......