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JG53Frankyboy
02-15-2005, 09:58 AM
well, i know the P-51D , P-47N , B-29 flew combat sorties over the japanese islands in 1945.

other types too ?
like B-24J ore P-38L ?

JG53Frankyboy
02-15-2005, 09:58 AM
well, i know the P-51D , P-47N , B-29 flew combat sorties over the japanese islands in 1945.

other types too ?
like B-24J ore P-38L ?

Shakthamac
02-15-2005, 10:11 AM
yes, several additional aircraft that we have and some we don't flew sorties over Japan during the end of WW2 after Okinawa was captured. B24s and P38s were there and also P61s, A26's, and B25s.

Im sure there are others, but those quickly come to mind

Fliegeroffizier
02-15-2005, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shakthamac:
yes, several additional aircraft that we have ...P38s...Im sure there are others, but those quickly come to mind <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

P38's?? over Japan? Really?

RocketDog
02-15-2005, 01:00 PM
No.

Regards,

RocketDog.

AlmightyTallest
02-15-2005, 01:27 PM
B-32 Dominator flew a few missions over Japan around the last few Weeks.

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/b032-01.html

RAC_Pips
02-15-2005, 03:26 PM
Japan surrendered on the 14th August. The P-38 flew it's first mission over Japan on the 16th August, when a formation of eight (8) P-38's from the 49th FG overflew Kyushu and the southern shore of Honshu. The p-38's flew from Motuba on Okinawa, a round flight of 1300 miles.

The A-26, B-24, B-25 and P-61 did not operate over Japan during the War.

JG53Frankyboy
02-15-2005, 04:03 PM
ok thx - so, in "historical" missions only P-51D , P-47D27 (as N ) and B29 over japan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Shakthamac
02-15-2005, 04:23 PM
B24 "Snoopers" from the 14th AF flew against Japan late Summer 1945 after they redeployed to Okinawa. Im sure they attacked Japanese shipping in harbors on the main islands. On 2/1/45, FEAF B-24's pounded the Okayama Airfield and another on Hokkaido. In addition to that, Alaska based Liberators bombed the Kurile Islands which were considered to be a part of Japan prior to WW2.

Im not sure if A26's actually took part in any combat, but there were some from the 15th AF (the 440th Bomb Squadron) that were redeployed to Okinawa in July of '44.

The B-25 may not have operated continuously over Japan for any length of time, but it DID bomb Japan in April of 1942, so in fact it did operate over Japan during the war.

I just assumed the P-61 operated against Japan, but I can't find any sources to corroberate that.

Shakthamac
02-15-2005, 04:25 PM
frankyboy. check up on the snooper squadrons that flew during ww2. all black painted b24s that went out at night and skip bombed japanese shipping.

Flakenstien
02-15-2005, 05:45 PM
The P38 was the first USAAF aircraft to land on Japanese soil, although this was after they surrendered it was in 1945, so I guess the correct answer would be yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VBF-83_Hawk
02-15-2005, 05:50 PM
edited oooops so you did!!

JG53Frankyboy
02-15-2005, 05:57 PM
well, i asked for USAAF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the snooper missions sounds interesting , low level , night , radaraimed ship attacks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

well, nevertheless, it looks realy that i can only use Mustang , Thunderbolt and Superfortress
for accurate (as possible) missionbuilding http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Shakthamac
02-15-2005, 06:03 PM
you do know that FEAF is the far eastern air force branch of the usaf. in essence it was the 14th af

TriggerHappy57
02-15-2005, 08:59 PM
I thought B17's flew missions over Japan, Thats why some versions had "Tokyo-Tanks" in the outer wings?

Copperhead310th
02-15-2005, 10:07 PM
not to forget the VERY 1st USAAF aircraft
to fly over Japanese soil. the B-25. (Doolittle Raid) Buuuuut that wouldn't be in 1945.

for the USAAF in 1945

P-51's
P-47's - D 40's and P-47N's
P-61's- yes they did ops over Japan home islands. and in the day time even. Squint hops were done regulerly up and down the japanese mainland coast by the 518th NFS from 22 July untill well past V-J day.

B-24's bombed ground targets & rail assets near Shokan in late June as well. And B-24C-109 Fuel transports were already moving up from the CBI to forward airfields as Early as 12 June. acording to my grandfather whom was a flight engiener on one such b-24 fuel tanker.

by mid 1944 virtually no B-17's were being used at all in the PTO & SW/PTO.

I'm sure there were more.

Shakthamac
02-15-2005, 10:08 PM
after americas entry into ww2, b17s were for the most part based in the ETO. A few B-17D's and E's fought the Japanese from the Phillipines and down the slot as they retreated toward Australia, but that was pretty much it. The range of the B24 made it a better craft for the pacific, while those in command thought the B17 was built stronger and could handle more punishment which is why they fought in Europe. Im sure politics as much as anything else dictated this as USAAF generals tugged this way and that, but overall the B17's didnt fly in the pacific war much during 1942 and none thereafter.

Im not sure why or how the term "tokyo tank" was coined.

Fliegeroffizier
02-16-2005, 01:07 PM
Here is a link to the/a most authoritative record of USAAF operations in WWII. This specific link is to August 1945.
USAAF Combat Operations August 1945 (http://www.usaaf.net/chron/45/aug45.htm)

The Site gives daily accounting of all missions by target and acft type, in all theaters...also locations where USAAF units were based, etc..

For missions against Japan:
...look in the Central Pacific Operations Area(20th AirForce) for B29, P47, P51 operations

...look in Western Pacific(FarEast Air Force) for B24, B25, A20, A26, P47 and P51 operations

...look in Aleutian Islands(11th Air Force) for B24 operations




Surprisingly, I did notice for the first time that there IS a Single reference to P38's flying missions/sorties over Japan on the 10th of August!!! The first P38 units to deploy within range of the Japanese home islands had just ocurred on August 8th with P38's re-deploying forward from the Phillipines to Ie Shima(adjacent to Okinawa)....so it would appear that P38's DID have one day to participate in actions against the home islands.


Again, this Site,The United States Army Air Forces in WWII (http://www.usaaf.net/) is an outstanding source of information for anyone building historically based Missions/Campaigns.

Fliegeroffizier
02-16-2005, 01:34 PM
Here is an interesting and detailed report of the first USAAF P38's(two) and a B17 to land in Japan, on 26 August (after cessation of hostilities on 15 August)
Post-mission report (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1029136/posts)

These aircraft landed in 'emergency' situation at a Japanese afld on Kyushu...the one P38 had been too low on fuel to make it back to their base in Okinawa, so he and his flight leader landed, and were then joined by a Search and Rescue B17 which also also landed in order to transfer fuel to the P38.

The first Offical landings in Japan, at Atsugi Afld near Tokyo, were by some 24C47's two days later, on 28August 1945.

AlmightyTallest
02-16-2005, 02:05 PM
Great finds of info Fliegeroffizier!

One question though. Is there any record of Navy F7F Tigercat operations at the last days of WW2? I thought someone here awile back actually found info that the F7F made in the theater just before the war ended, and flew a few sorties as well. The F8F Bearcats were just too late though.

XyZspineZyX
02-16-2005, 03:06 PM
Hello,

Let us not forget all the Navy aircrafts!

Sensei.

Shakthamac
02-16-2005, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sensaispcc55:
Hello,

Let us not forget all the Navy aircrafts!

Sensei. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well the author was originally asking about USAAF operations over Japan in 1945.

Interesting link Flieger. I feel vindicated now that I have proof that B25's did bomb Japan in late 45.

I would also be interested to find out about MAG's flying the Tigercat in late WW2, but I don't think any were operational in a combat zone.

Shakthamac
02-16-2005, 03:40 PM
From Flieger's website

WESTERN PACIFIC

(Far East Air Force): In Japan, P-47s cover the Twentieth AF B-29 strike against Kyushu targets; <span class="ev_code_RED">B-24s</span> and <span class="ev_code_RED">A-26's</span> over Kyushu pound Tsuiki Airfield...

<span class="ev_code_RED">B-24's</span> bomb Takao Airfield on Formosa.