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walsh2509
12-03-2004, 06:10 AM
One of the demo movies we see the uboat fire at and sink a Battle ship, if in the game "we" attack one or the other ships in the group will the battle ship launch its plane, I seen in Pacific Fighters a few British Battle ships had one or two launch rails for planes, so if we attack one and it has time will they launch there planes?

would be a nice touch if they did?

bertgang
12-03-2004, 06:39 AM
Who knows?

I think, anyway, that an aircraft launched by a sinking ship most of time will fall in the water, as the ship is inclined and launching rails are in wrong position.

If that's right, the pilot won't try at all.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-03-2004, 07:42 AM
These planes were mainly used for reconaisance. It also takes time to ready the planes and to launch them - I think it's more likely, that you actually meet the planes before you see the battleship, if the task-group does the job right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yarrick_
12-03-2004, 10:54 AM
Yes... how many time needs a plane to be ready before being launched? And, if it is like a carrier... it must be at full speed and with the wind in favour... only a minor inundation must avoid the plane from being launched, by lowering the ship's top speed!

hauitsme
12-03-2004, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yarrick:
And, if it is like a carrier... it must be at full speed and with the wind in favour... only a minor inundation must avoid the plane from being launched, by lowering the ship's top speed! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not like a Carrier where they had to turn into the wind to launch. They used hydraulic or steam catapults. There were some that used rockets to launch also. While the BB's and CA's carried recon floatplanes, there were some merchants with fighters mounted for defense. Since these weren't recoverable, they were used only when needed.
Another of the things I've asked about. Still no answer to these A/C and the Carriers A/C actually being used.

HeibgesU999
12-03-2004, 06:04 PM
I think the devs said there would be escort carriers. But then again, they were one of the few things that worked correctly in SH2.

hauitsme
12-03-2004, 06:31 PM
It's not the Escort Carriers, it's the TOTAL LACK of A/C actually using them!! NEVER have I seen any A/C anywhere even near a Carrier of any kind. Without A/C, exactly what good are all those Carriers good for other than targets? If you happen to sight a Carrier on the horizon, what do you expect to see? Planes, some more planes, and even more planes!! But not a single one have I ever seen. And this version is no different, other than having them fall off the Carriers when we sink them!! Well, at least that's a start. But it's not good enough.

oscar0072004
12-04-2004, 06:52 AM
hey hautisme . why not go out and go find a carrier simulation if its so important for you to see aircraft take of from carriers . i would like to see it to , but i wont sleep less knowing there wont be any. afterall how many times will you get close enough to see if aircraft are actually launched?

Lanzfeld
12-04-2004, 07:39 AM
Your missing the point. It is not that we want to watch carrier ops that bad. It is just that the escort carrier, WITH THE AIRCRAFT, really had a huge negative impact on the use of the u-boat. Later in the war, because of the constant patrol of aircraft around the convoy in the mid Atlantic, off the escort carriers, it was almost impossible for u-boats not to be detected.
The escort carrier, WITH THE AIRCRAFT, are very important to have in the game.

Anyway...since we have not seen any....I bet they are not in the game. Shame if it is true...like the FIDO.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-04-2004, 08:50 AM
They can simulate the aircraft presence even if the escort carriers aren't physically modelled. All they need to do is have aircraft flying CAP over convoys that would have escort carriers. Just model the aircraft patrols.

I'm sure they've got this covered in some way.

HeibgesU999
12-04-2004, 10:05 AM
There were planes attatched to the escort carriers in SH2, and they worked.

The planes were deadly.

Are you saying you couldn't actually watch the planes take off, or that there aren't more planes in the air at once.

The Dev's have said that the aircraft in sh3 will act much more realistically.

hauitsme
12-04-2004, 10:24 AM
Lanzfeld has it exactly. Thank you for your INFORMED reply. Someone else that knows his history, unlike others.

Beeryus, for someone that constantly professes to want authenticity, you should have been jumping up and down with a foaming mouth screaming for this from the very beginning. You must be blind. Or you don't see what has been there since the very beginning. Escort Carriers and Fleet Carriers have ALWAYS been included. It's the A/C that have NEVER been there. And it's those A/C that drove the U-boats under and away from the convoys.

'How many times will you get close enough to see if aircraft are actually launched?'. The answer, if you've ever seen any film or pictures, will be almost every time. If you can see the Carrier, even if it's on the horizon, you'll see them. You may not make out the specific models/types, but you can see them. They may be specks, but they're there. And that's at extreme range. If you're close enough to shoot torps, then .....

Yarrick_
12-05-2004, 04:25 AM
Hey, don't expect them to show you every single feature, maybe this will be modded in some way. Having an aircraft taking of isn't so difficult, isn't it? You only have to make it appear over the deck, making it move and change altitude. Then start a standard predefined patrol. Easy.

But, if they showed us all what is going to appear in the game, we will not be so interested in having it!

Jose.MaC
12-06-2004, 12:51 PM
Why do you think people wants a demo? Just to know if the game will be worth their money!