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Celeon999
04-26-2006, 03:24 AM
Today 20 years ago at 1:23 AM, the Block 4 of the RBMK reactor in Chernobyl exploded and blew 50 tons of radioactive materials into the atmosphere. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

It was and is one the biggest catastrophys in mankinds history and will spread its shadows over the coming 40.000 years.


Experts say that the reactor block and several square kilometers around it will stay radioactive for at least 47.000 years.


Celeon suggests a minute of silence for the uncounted victims of the radiation , especially for the "liquidators".

The people who helped extinguishing the fire and building the sarkophageus and saved millions of lives with preventing an even bigger nuclear catastrophy.

They worked with nearly no protection equipment in radiation fields of over 200 Roentgen per hour or even more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Most of them died a few days later in undescribeable cruel ways an horrible radiation death. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

They all paid with their lives or their health for reaching that goal. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Not to mention the cancer cases which are skyrocketing since the disaster and hit mostly children and the cases of babys born with horrible deformations. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Celeon also would like to mention and condemn the behaviour and attitude of the International Atomic Energy Agency IAEA regarding the Chernobyl disaster. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif


It hurts their buisness so they dont hesitate of showing a totally wrong picture of the disasters consequences. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif



Prypiat city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prypiat%2C_Ukraine)

An short overview about the cause of the disaster (Not fully correct) (http://stalker.myexp.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440)

Website Pripyat.com (http://pripyat.com/en/)



http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1628/15jpg4bg.jpg
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http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2318/attention022iv.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1456/890mrh4block3ty.jpg

A direct view into the open reactor core and about 10.000 roentgen per hour. The KGB cameraman who made these shots didnt survived the following 48 hours. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1144/rbmkchornobyl3331if.jpg


Taken during the construction of the sarkophagus.

The upper reactor shield which weights 1500 tons ! was blown through the ceiling of the pump hall and crashed back into the reactor exposing the entire core.


http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/163/ukch3463cj.jpg


http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2089/conta8io.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9332/prog1ny.jpg

Messervy
04-26-2006, 03:50 AM
Very thoughtfull of you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I concur.

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 06:25 AM
I would like to add that the "cause of the accident" story which i linked too above is only a very shortened overview and has some technical errors and misunderstandings.


For example the explosion was not caused through detonation gas. There was indeed detonation gas created out of oxygen and hydrogen within the reactor after the pressure pipes detonated but that reaction works so slowly that it played no role in the big explosion.

The reactor exploded due to water steam pressure. Nothing more , nothing less.


I have the complete and correct story here but only in german and its too much and too complex for me to translate.

But you can find very good docus on emule or elsewhere in the net that give a much better and broader perspective of the disaster and the why´s and who´s and how´s.

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 07:01 AM
Here is a short vid showing the Liquidators working on the reactor during the first days after the disaster.


They are cleaning the reactors roof with their bare hands. Touching radioactive graphite ,caesium, uranium ..... walking on it, carrying it ... for hours although the radiation dosis was so high that everyone of them should had spend only 90 seconds on the roof to keep the safety time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But this was not possible. You achieve absolutely nothing in only 90 or even less seconds. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


It gives a good impression of the unbelievable sacrifice of these courageous men and wimen who worked to prevent an even higher contamination throughout Ukraine ,Belarus , entire Europe and the middle east.

Many of them were soldiers , college students, firefighters from the local fire department or simple residents from the surrounding citys. Many didnt even know anything about radioactivity.

But they all came to help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Only very few of the people you see are still alive today and they are all very sick now.

The other vid shows an helicopter accident in which the entire crew was killed during the construction of the sarkophagus. They were working since days without sleep and didnt saw the ropes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Liquidators at work (http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=90390)
Helicopter accident (http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=90395)

Gmuno
04-26-2006, 07:17 AM
Celeon, have you seen "Die Wolke"? Quite a interesting movie.

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 07:23 AM
Not yet but i heard about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As explanation :

"Die Wolke" is an fictional movie about what would happen if such an accident would happen in an german nuclear plant.

The catastrophy would be even bigger. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Syxx_Killer_05
04-26-2006, 07:30 AM
I forgot that today is the day it happened. There is a very good website where a Ukrainian woman rode her motorcycle through the devatated areas. Pictures are worth more than 1000 words. In her Afterwards section of the site is a song called "Ghost Town." I would suggest downloading it. I thought it was a moving song. Also, be sure to watch her "Ghost Town" video. I don't think it was in the Afterwards, though.

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1.html

Gmuno
04-26-2006, 07:36 AM
Yeah, and i'm living about 40 klicks from the reactor that blew fictionally up. I was a bit "disturbed" after the movie. The catastrophy could not be handled by the local authorities and also not by the states (i'm working in the responsisble department in my colletive). I think, no country in Europe could handle this alone.
Now i'm just hoping that something like tschernobyl doesn't happen ever again, but chance dictates otherwise.

general_kalle
04-26-2006, 07:42 AM
when i read about something like this, the 11. september kz camps etc i get relly relly sad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

and angry on the terrorist
poor poor viktims
i saw k19 theres also a failure in the reakter which causes sickness its the worst film ive ever seen

a minutes silence would indeed be on its place...
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poor guys http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 08:05 AM
Ever hold an dosimeter out of your windows ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It would give me a similar feeling to live so close to one of these things.


Here are some pics from the ghost town Pripjat.

It was frozen in time 20 years ago and looks identical to the socialist residental area im living in myself.


Everything looks like a normal beautiful summer day but the entire city is contaminated.

Even the homeless dont go there although there are thousands of empty apartments some in the same condition they were left in 20 years ago.

The radation inside the houses with open windows is a bit higher than outside because most radioactive dust was trapped inside or brought in by the rain. Especially houses with windows in direction of the power plant are quite ..."unhealthy"

Im planning to go there myself and visit the "dead city" in the near future.

They make tours for tourists now and the money goes to the chernobyl care fonds.

The radiation in many parts of the city is low enough to stay there for a some hours and make some sightseeing.

But you need to shower and throw away your clothes after it. (You get one-way work clothing and shoes for the visit)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/217/114pripyatbuilding175md.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1537/129pripyatbuilding255qn.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1793/147pripyatamusementparknoplayi.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1450/162pripyatschool044ni.jpg



The vehicle graveyard. There are trucks , APC´s and helicopters that were used in the work on the reactor.

All vehicles are contaminated and especially the helicopters are highly radioactive.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6782/032chernobylvehiclegraveyard02.jpg



Now that the humans are gone for 20 years, mother nature seems to get along with the radiation (at least some plants do) and takes the city back bit by bit.

Some houses are already covered in plants and new grown trees block the entrances.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5183/113pripyatbuilding161go.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2049/121pripyatbuilding223ig.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/817/159pripyatschool019le.jpg

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 08:50 AM
Truly frozen in time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

These banners were made for the May,1 celebrations that never came in Pripjat.

The city was evacuated on April , 29. and if you look at the city..... its still April, 29 1986 there and will be forever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/4593/136pripyattheatrecccp604er.jpg
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/9325/138pripyattheatrepaintings8us.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7918/me000036897826hq.jpg


Heh ! Celeon knows that ! It shows the duties of a pioneer. Celeon was once one of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


If you see old people carry heavy things offer them your help.

Be kind to your classmates.

We always honor our parents.

We love sport and we keep our body´s healthy , we do not smoke and we dont take drugs.


We are learning everthing about socialism and work for the freedom and prosperity of all working people.

There were even more guidelines but i dont remember them all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6899/176pripyatschool181bh.jpg

The_Silent_O
04-26-2006, 09:31 AM
Good thread...

I had read about Chernobyl and its aftermath. I also heard about that lady's sojourn through the town many years later.

When something big happens, you don't usually have time to think, but go on instinct and good judgement, not stupid, just herioic.

The new movie Flight 93 gets released this weekend and shows the same ethic of the common man (and woman) reacting to extraordinary circumstances

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 09:42 AM
Yes they are truly heroes but its also needs to be mentioned that the soviet goverment was lying to most of them.

Said them that it is safe.....if you follow some easy rules....or didnt said them anything at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

The city should had been evacuated much earlier.

The soviet officials later said that the residents of the city have been instructed to shut their windows and stay inside.

A lie. Nobody said them anything. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

On the video footages you can see the children play outside on the day after. Pedestrians on the streets wondering about the APC´s in the streets and the soldiers with masks...


The radiaton was already so high that you could see flashes on the films. The radiation was damaging the film material.


Here is a great panorama pic showing the city in winter.


Looks normal on the first sight right ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In the background you can see the reactor.

But look, no people anywhere and it looks like nobody is cleaning the streets from ice and snow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I will try to make as much pics as i can when i get there someday. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8475/1pripyatfly0vu.jpg

The_Silent_O
04-26-2006, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Yes they are truly heroes but its also needs to be mentioned that the soviet goverment was lying to most of them.

Said them that it is safe.....if you follow some easy rules....or didnt said them anything at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

The city should had been evacuated much earlier.

The soviet officials later said that the residents of the city have been instructed to shut their windows and stay inside.

A lie. Nobody said them anything. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

On the video footages you can see the children play outside on the day after. Pedestrians on the streets wondering about the APC´s in the streets and the soldiers with masks...


The radiaton was already so high that you could see flashes on the films. The radiation was damaging the film material.


Here is a great panorama pic showing the city in winter.


Looks normal on the first sight right ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In the background you can see the reactor.

But look, no people anywhere and it looks like nobody is cleaning the streets from ice and snow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I will try to make as much pics as i can when i get there someday. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Looks like Celeon's neo-post socialist apartment complex... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

That's okay...you haven't seen the trailer home I live in!

I'll have to look up chernobyl on google earth...

Realjambo
04-26-2006, 09:57 AM
Great Thread. One of those kind of events that should never be forgotten. I've seen those photo's before and they are indeed excellent.

I remember not long after the accident, here on the South coast of the UK (think East of Portsmouth)I would have been 13 yrs old and one Sunday afternnon the sky just turned green for a few hours. The feeling at the time was that it was radiation from the accident passing over us, but of course I couldn't be sure. The sky was definitely green though.

Celeon999
04-26-2006, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Yes they are truly heroes but its also needs to be mentioned that the soviet goverment was lying to most of them.

Said them that it is safe.....if you follow some easy rules....or didnt said them anything at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

The city should had been evacuated much earlier.

The soviet officials later said that the residents of the city have been instructed to shut their windows and stay inside.

A lie. Nobody said them anything. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

On the video footages you can see the children play outside on the day after. Pedestrians on the streets wondering about the APC´s in the streets and the soldiers with masks...


The radiaton was already so high that you could see flashes on the films. The radiation was damaging the film material.


Here is a great panorama pic showing the city in winter.


Looks normal on the first sight right ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In the background you can see the reactor.

But look, no people anywhere and it looks like nobody is cleaning the streets from ice and snow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I will try to make as much pics as i can when i get there someday. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Looks like Celeon's neo-post socialist apartment complex... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

That's okay...you haven't seen the trailer home I live in!

I'll have to look up chernobyl on google earth... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes it does http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Exactly the same houses. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A city build for the new socialist human like the place where Celeon lives. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thats real 100% copy and paste architecture http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/4161/dennis25ch.jpg

VikingGrandad
04-26-2006, 01:03 PM
Thanks Celeon for sharing these pictures and the information about the disaster.

A friend of mine went to stay in a place near the Chernobyl area a few years ago, to help the sick and terminally-ill children. I think it was an orphanage she visited. It was very upsetting for her, and I admire her strength and determination to do something so difficult for the good of others.

Ghostly_Magicia
04-26-2006, 01:39 PM
Thanks Celeon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Gives a 5 min moment of silence since after
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viewing that site I became amazed and sad. Nature will take it over and use it as its own and in turn send seeds into the land and basically continue to damage it. I looked at some of the defects and almost puked. I couldn't look at the negative impacts on organic life such as a baby with no arms or a horse with a big head. Thats what you get for messing around with nuclear technology and people never learn since they are always trying to get the better. Well I guess some people will say you never learn until you explore the area. Wonder if theres something we can do to speed up the process (healthily) of recovering the lands to its original state. Theres got to be something since we are the so called number one species on the earth.

Not going to continue with my comments or its going to get heated in here and contaminate this area.

Realjambo
04-26-2006, 01:41 PM
I was just reading on the BBC some Q&A's regarding the disaster and was amazed at just how long some of these natural elements will stay around for. I refer particularly to the final paragraph = 720,000 years!? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Q: What exactly are the plans and timelines for deconstructing the remaining plant? How many years before the remains are safe?

Stephen Mulvey: A huge cover, known as the New Safe Confinement, will be erected over the sarcophagus some time after 2008.

Staff at Chernobyl regard 2010 as a possible, but quite optimistic date. Once the arch is in place, part of the sarcophagus will be dismantled, but the remains of the nuclear fuel - which melted down and poured into the lower reaches of reactor number four - will probably not be touched for decades at least.

As regards the other reactors (numbers one to three) the fuel is being removed from them now, but as of today Ukraine does not have a long-term spent fuel storage facility. The reactors themselves will be left for decades before they are dismantled, to give time for radioactive isotopes to decay.

The spent nuclear fuel is the most hazardous material to deal with. It includes one isotope of Plutonium, Plutonium-239, which has a half-life of 24,000 years. After 240,000 years (10 half lives) only 0.1% will remain. After 720,000 years (30 half-lives) it should be fairly safe.

WilhelmSchulz.
04-26-2006, 01:42 PM
Hats off to them. They are the true heros of the disaster. They knew they where going to die but they went anyway. One can only imagine what they felt emotialy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

And it never would of happend if the aragant *** in charge of the test had done the test right! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
04-26-2006, 01:47 PM
I renembere this one T.V movie that was on here the states. It was a fictional movie about a Nuclear Plant in California that was taken over by terorists(former Delta solders). A traditional hollywood movie with a happy ending but it makes you think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I have it on tape somewhere. "Meltdown"

Antonin1957
04-26-2006, 05:52 PM
I remember quite well when Chernobyl happened.

At the time I worked in the business information field. My job was to read about different industries and write about them. One of the industries we read about was the nuclear industry.

When Chernobyl happened I remember hearing about some of the operations going on that were supposed to contain the disaster. I remember thinking "Those people are not working in safe conditions and most of them are going to die."

It made me very sad.

Ghostly_Magicia
04-26-2006, 10:36 PM
Just watched the presentation of History Channel "Zero Hour". Apperently 1 person survived the blast and his skin is very very sensetive. Cant touch oil, gas, or rub anything such as fixing something or it would flake off. Part of life now and the Radio active cloud spread over all of Europe one moment or another and into the soil. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I just hope Ontario doesn't get greedy with its Nuclear power since one mistake means millions dead or effected http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Heard on the news that Ontario is planning on 8 more, and since I looked at Chernobyl i'm freaken paranoid.

One more thing isn't there a device besides a Gegeir (sp) like a goggle that can view it? Guess we didn't get that far in detection research?

Celeon999
04-27-2006, 01:41 AM
Apperently 1 person survived the blast and his skin is very very sensetive. Cant touch oil, gas, or rub anything such as fixing something or it would flake off.

Zero Hour is a very good docu.

You surely mean Alexander Yuvchenko.

He wasnt the only survivor. Anatoly Djatlov the shift leader also survived (after recieving an four times deadly dosis).

Boris Stoljartschuk the control engineer who was also in the control room did survived too.



One more thing isn't there a device besides a Gegeir (sp) like a goggle that can view it? Guess we didn't get that far in detection research?



There are some devices that can detect radioactivity. But they are mostly functioning on the same principle of the Geiger counter.

I also thought about some goggles like night vision stuff that could be used in connection with a computer to recalculate the detected radioactive spectrum into the spectrum of visible light to create a simulation that gets displayed on the glass of your googles.

Like those displays jet fighters have.

Theoreticly you could see the radiation as simulated light or just colors.

But im pretty sure that something like this doesnt exist.

I dont know if it could work so easily or if it would be worth the money it would take to develop it.


@ Wilhelm


It wasnt directly Djatlov´s failure that caused the disaster. Surely he was an idiot but the cause were the construction failures within the reactor that were covered up.

The night-shift team in the control room had no idea of them (aswell as all other shifts)
The necessary handbooks that contained additional instructions for the test werent avaible.

Normally this test is nothing very special. Its an easy normal test that all nuclear power plants around the world do frequently.

The construction of the Block 4 reactor was also done in a hurry. The test the night-shift was doing should had been done long before the reactor was activated. Another thing that was covered up.


The KGB knew about the construction errors in the blueprints for the RBMK series and warned in an document that this could lead to instability when the reactor is operated at low power output.

But the document was ignored by goverment officials who didnt want to hear something about that.

Maybe also ignored because the KGB couldnt define exactly enough the circumstances that could lead to problems.

The computer technology was not advanced enough to create the necessary simulations in 1986.


So these construction failures in combination with Djatlovs ignorance and egoism were a deadly combination.


Everything was based on human failure.



If the reactor had been constructed without its critical erros the test would had been succesful without big problems.

Even with an by Djatlov ordered power output of only 200 megawatts instead of the minimum of 700 megawatts like ordered in the handbooks.

But they couldnt know that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Djatlov´s decision would still had been false and had caused problems but the catastrophy could had been avoided easily.

Celeon999
04-27-2006, 02:30 AM
Ahhh yes.


Now avaible in high-res on google earth. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


The coordinates are 51?23'35" N 30?4'43" E


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2435/tschernobyl015ej.jpg



The blue parts are the beton sarkhophageus.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4364/tschernobyl026gc.jpg


The ghost town Pripjat


http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4981/tschernobyl035ds.jpg

mariuszj1939
04-27-2006, 02:30 AM
I remember permanent lack of info and rumours.
Nobody trusted official media. First "proper" news we got from Sweden. All kids had to drink awful Lugola - something against thyroid's problems. Last thing I remember was cycling Tour of Peace (very famous tour till 1990) - that year sportsmen additionally had one or two stages in Soviet Union (it started 9th of May)and Polish best cyclists suddenly fallen ill !

Celeon999
04-27-2006, 03:50 AM
They still warn here not to buy and eat mushrooms from bavaria area or southern germany at all.

The caesium and strontium rates in them often equal up to 4 times the natural dosis.

Im a mushroom eater myself here and will buy me an dosimeter to check what i find.

They cost only about 19 " at ebay.