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ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-11-2008, 04:04 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Anyone else bought it yet...

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DIRTY-MAC
06-11-2008, 05:23 PM
Is it good! anything new in it?

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-14-2008, 03:43 PM
The booklet "Allied Wings No.4 Westland Whirlwind", basically its an abridged version of Victor Bingham's "Whirlwind"Ł but without Mr Binghams śRose Tinted' narrative with some nice new photo's chucked in to fill up the spaces... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Very much a "Research"Ł booklet for the Whirlwind, so don't expect reading chapters in retrospect of, or post mortem's about, śwhy this was never', or śif only's'... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif With a rehash of the squadron's histories, with a list of individual Aircraft; a list of Aircraft lost by accidents, a list of Enemy Aircraft claims, etc... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif All interspersed with relevant comments about its failure to come to its designer expectations, it's flawed Rolls-Royce śPeregrines' it's vulnerability in nearly all combat situations, especially against bombers return fire... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The authors don't hold back and give the poor old Whirly a rough ride although they do submit to agreeing that it did have some then ground breaking features ahead of its time... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Nothing really new then! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

To me it's akin to hearing someone bad mouthing about your Mother, something that gets your hackles up, definitely not nice. But then I'm bias and who would'nt be in that situation... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

leitmotiv
06-14-2008, 07:16 PM
Thanks for the tip on Bingham's WHIRLWIND, AC; I just ordered a copy from Abe Books. Please give me a list of the top Whirlwind books!

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-15-2008, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Thanks for the tip on Bingham's WHIRLWIND, AC; I just ordered a copy from Abe Books. Please give me a list of the top Whirlwind books!

Hi leitmotiv...

Top books:

Westland Whirlwind 4+ (ISBN 80-902559-6-5)


Westland Whirlwind F.MkI Warpaint Series No.54

That's about it, there are others of course, but are all very much the same really... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I myself have most of the publications dealing solely with the Whirly, and then we start to buy books that only have a chapter or a few brief paragraphs the best of which are:


Interceptor Fighters For the Royal Air Force 1935-45 By Michael J.F.Bowyer (ISBN 0-85059-726-9)

There's another whose title escapes me at the moment, but was written by Harold Penrose, Westlands Chief Test Pilot... I'll post the title for that when I find it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Of course there is Mr Eric Thomason's śWhirlwind Squadron"Ł but everything in it must be taken with a large pinch of salt... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Because a lot of what is written was found to be a bit wanting in the truth department... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif So much so that the publishers (William Kimber) disowned it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
For all that though, it is a good read, fact or fiction with standing. So for that and only that here's the ISBN number ISBN 0-7183-0683-X

Most of these, if not all are out of print now, so you will have to search for them I'm afraid... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I've been in contact with an Author whose writing something that will truly be the definitive Westland Whirlwind book! Can't say much obviously, but it will lay to rest a lot of the ghosts that have haunted this aircraft for good and begin a few more as well... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Best Regards

Archie

Kurfurst__
06-15-2008, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
The booklet "Allied Wings No.4 Westland Whirlwind", basically its an abridged version of Victor Bingham's "Whirlwind"Ł but without Mr Binghams śRose Tinted' narrative with some nice new photo's chucked in to fill up the spaces... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Very much a "Research"Ł booklet for the Whirlwind, so don't expect reading chapters in retrospect of, or post mortem's about, śwhy this was never', or śif only's'... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif With a rehash of the squadron's histories, with a list of individual Aircraft; a list of Aircraft lost by accidents, a list of Enemy Aircraft claims, etc... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif All interspersed with relevant comments about its failure to come to its designer expectations, it's flawed Rolls-Royce śPeregrines' it's vulnerability in nearly all combat situations, especially against bombers return fire... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The authors don't hold back and give the poor old Whirly a rough ride although they do submit to agreeing that it did have some then ground breaking features ahead of its time... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

A refreshingly sober approach it would seem to me...

leitmotiv
06-15-2008, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Thanks for the tip on Bingham's WHIRLWIND, AC; I just ordered a copy from Abe Books. Please give me a list of the top Whirlwind books!

Hi leitmotiv...

Top books:

Westland Whirlwind 4+ (ISBN 80-902559-6-5)


Westland Whirlwind F.MkI Warpaint Series No.54

That's about it, there are others of course, but are all very much the same really... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I myself have most of the publications dealing solely with the Whirly, and then we start to buy books that only have a chapter or a few brief paragraphs the best of which are:


Interceptor Fighters For the Royal Air Force 1935-45 By Michael J.F.Bowyer (ISBN 0-85059-726-9)

There's another whose title escapes me at the moment, but was written by Harold Penrose, Westlands Chief Test Pilot... I'll post the title for that when I find it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Of course there is Mr Eric Thomason's śWhirlwind Squadron"Ł but everything in it must be taken with a large pinch of salt... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Because a lot of what is written was found to be a bit wanting in the truth department... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif So much so that the publishers (William Kimber) disowned it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
For all that though, it is a good read, fact or fiction with standing. So for that and only that here's the ISBN number ISBN 0-7183-0683-X

Most of these, if not all are out of print now, so you will have to search for them I'm afraid... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I've been in contact with an Author whose writing something that will truly be the definitive Westland Whirlwind book! Can't say much obviously, but it will lay to rest a lot of the ghosts that have haunted this aircraft for good and begin a few more as well... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Best Regards

Archie </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many thanks, AC. Until the new tome hits the shelves, Bingham and 4+ will suit my horrible purposes nicely. Please fire a flare when the new one is published.