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Dagnabit
11-05-2007, 04:35 AM
The other day I was thinking about the recent discussions we have had here about the sound hack, and associated problems. I was wishing there was a way to use the Windows Media Player equalizer/mixer sound software for in game use. But I figured even if it could be done somehow I am not tech oriented enough to even attempt it. What I did find while fussing around in my control panel was that I have a Realtek High Definition Audio manager, complete with an equalizer/sound mixer. And as of now, my Il2 1946, and all of my other games have never sounded so good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I dont like headphones, and I only use them when Im up late and my family is asleep. All I have for speakers is a set of Logitech IHX speakers with an 8in. subwoofer. Yet when I crank it up the .50cals. sound like cannons and the AC engines now have a nice throaty bass response that to me is irresistable. It also sounds great through the headphones. There are hundreds of possible settings (maybe thousands) and I havent settled on any particular settings yet as Im still experementing with it. There are special effects settings for environment, like "stone room", "hallway", "parking lot", "mountains", and many more, as well as the more usual mixer settings for "rock","live","treble", etc.
I ran a Google for "free sound managers and mixers" and got over 2 million hits. And Realtek has a bunch of free downloads as well, and there were some for sound managers.
Im not claiming that this is a perfect solution for the in game sounds, but it does have many positive aspects. It is cost effective (its hard to beat FREE),its easy, servers cant block it, the 4.09 patch wont knock it out, its legal, and guilt free.
Im sure there is other equivelant sound software under other brand names out there, and many of you will already have other media options that came with your PCs.
Im hoping some of the tech oriented people will post here with some info that is more informed than I can offer. It might be good if we can share info on settings and whatever related matters that pop up. So far I have found on my system that lots of bass is good, but I am not settled yet on special effects environments, and some other settings.
Ideas please?

Dag

Wepps
11-05-2007, 05:05 AM
That's the major issue of IL-2. Too many workarounds to unsolved problems.

Pigeon_
11-05-2007, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Dagnabit:
The other day I was thinking about the recent discussions we have had here about the sound hack, and associated problems. I was wishing there was a way to use the Windows Media Player equalizer/mixer sound software for in game use. But I figured even if it could be done somehow I am not tech oriented enough to even attempt it. What I did find while fussing around in my control panel was that I have a Realtek High Definition Audio manager, complete with an equalizer/sound mixer. And as of now, my Il2 1946, and all of my other games have never sounded so good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I dont like headphones, and I only use them when Im up late and my family is asleep. All I have for speakers is a set of Logitech IHX speakers with an 8in. subwoofer. Yet when I crank it up the .50cals. sound like cannons and the AC engines now have a nice throaty bass response that to me is irresistable. It also sounds great through the headphones. There are hundreds of possible settings (maybe thousands) and I havent settled on any particular settings yet as Im still experementing with it. There are special effects settings for environment, like "stone room", "hallway", "parking lot", "mountains", and many more, as well as the more usual mixer settings for "rock","live","treble", etc.
I ran a Google for "free sound managers and mixers" and got over 2 million hits. And Realtek has a bunch of free downloads as well, and there were some for sound managers.
Im not claiming that this is a perfect solution for the in game sounds, but it does have many positive aspects. It is cost effective (its hard to beat FREE),its easy, servers cant block it, the 4.09 patch wont knock it out, its legal, and guilt free.
Im sure there is other equivelant sound software under other brand names out there, and many of you will already have other media options that came with your PCs.
Im hoping some of the tech oriented people will post here with some info that is more informed than I can offer. It might be good if we can share info on settings and whatever related matters that pop up. So far I have found on my system that lots of bass is good, but I am not settled yet on special effects environments, and some other settings.
Ideas please?

Dag

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I've used this kind of software since I first installed my system. Good sound is very important to me. That's why I use not one, but two equalizers and sometimes even three. The SoundMAX control software came with my onboard soundcard. It has a 10 band equalizer. I always have it at the same setting which was setup especialy for my speakers and I spent a lot of time on that. My 'line out' is connected to a 110 W Pioneer amplifier, which also has a simple equalizer and some other options. My sound comes out of two 30 W Warfedale speakers. Yeah, I like old stuff. It's built to last and sounds as good as any new system if set up properly.

I can't help you with your settings. Every setup is different and, more importantly, everyone has a different taste. There is no 'universal setting' that works for everybody. All I can advise you to do, is to...

1. Spend a lot of time on setting up your sound. I think it's worth it. Don't give up to easily and think you got it perfect. Usually you have to go back and change things again...

2. I have one setting I use all the time (in my main equalizer). That doesn't mean that you should too. You can make different audio profiles and save them. For example, you could have a profile for IL2, music, movies, etc...

3. Use your ears! Set up YOUR sound to YOUR likings. Don't overdo things though! I think a lot off people turn up the highs and the lows too much. After making a change in the equalizer settings pay attention to what you hear. Focus on sounds/tones being suppressed by other sounds/tones and try to fix them. It's not an exact science, but after a while you'll get a nice reward in the form of great sound.

4. Get a good pair of speakers. Speakers are the most important part of your sound setup. Rubbish speakers will never produce good sound. Even if you use a thousand equalizers and perfect settings. I don't know the type of speakers you're using, but if you're not very satisfied with them, go get a pair of good ones. They don't have to be expensive either. If it's possible, listen to them before buying. Don't be satisfied too easily.

That's about all I can think off now. If you have any specific questions, please go ahead and ask and, who knows... I might even be able to answer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

trumper
11-05-2007, 06:04 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Some excellent posts.
Could i ask how you run the game and see the set ups in the graphics equaliser at the same time.
I wondered if there are any wav files or sounds you can trigger outside the game to help set up.
Do the engines sounds have any difference between aircraft and have any effect on your set ups,i e if you set up for a merlin engine does it then throw out the sound of a Daimler Benz,what sounds right for one may not for others.
Thanks,hope the questions don't sound too daft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T_O_A_D
11-05-2007, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by Wepps:
That's the major issue of IL-2. Too many workarounds to unsolved problems.
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I don't believe you know of what you speak.

IL2 if left alone will play on any server, with all your friends. It requires very little tweaking if any, as long as you have machine enough to push it. To have a great time, with it and your friends, virtually cheat free for years.

Unlike any other flight sim out there. Third party addons are cool, but in most of the sims with third party addons/hacks/cheats/mods,etc. whatever you want to call them. more than often require you and all your buddies to have all the same stuff, installed to have a stable game.

I gave up long ago, waking up each morning chasing my buddies and all their addons, just so I could play with them. Ending up rubbing my machine and game, more than I actually got to fly, missing out on the true enjoyment I was after, Team work in the air.

The recent hack of IL2 will only bring those things into the mix and make things more complicated.

I too would like a many a thing changed or fixed or added in IL2, but not this way.

-HH-Quazi
11-05-2007, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by Wepps:
That's the major issue of IL-2. Too many workarounds to unsolved problems. I was unaware of any unsolved problems. Could you elaborate and share what those unsolved problems are?

Bearcat99
11-05-2007, 07:13 AM
Many of the "problems" are perceived problems.. Like the 50s.... like some of the issues with the Mustang.. even if i does have some minor issues... but this sound workaround Dag is talking about is exactly what I mean when I say the sounds in here are not bad. I have found that this sim is a work of art as it is.... there is not much that tweaking, a hardware upgrade and/or practice will not yield.. When I am home aline and I turn the AI voices down low and crank up my sound.. with TIR & the Buttkicker.. I am in immersion city....

Capt.LoneRanger
11-05-2007, 07:34 AM
I have a decent headset with a frequency range from 5 to 25000Hz. Honestly, with that baby IL2 sounds damn realistic and the 50s on my pony just knock me off my seat each time I press the button.

IMHO the main problem is that most people pay a fortune for a graphics-card, but when it comes to sounds, they still use the onboard-soundchip with a 60$ players-headset and think they have some great setup.
I can only recommend the Audigy or X-FI soundcards. They are a big step forward in immersion and no need to hack or tune anything.

BrotherVoodoo
11-05-2007, 08:49 AM
I know my immersion went way up when I purchased my XFI Fatal1ty sound card and Z5500 sound system. And yes, EQ can make a huge difference. If you really want to take it a step further grab yourself a butt kicker, you won't regret it.

Pigeon_
11-10-2007, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by trumper:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Some excellent posts.
Could i ask how you run the game and see the set ups in the graphics equaliser at the same time.
I wondered if there are any wav files or sounds you can trigger outside the game to help set up.
Do the engines sounds have any difference between aircraft and have any effect on your set ups,i e if you set up for a merlin engine does it then throw out the sound of a Daimler Benz,what sounds right for one may not for others.
Thanks,hope the questions don't sound too daft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hey Trumper!

Sorry for letting you wait so long. I kind of forgot about this topic... Found it back on the 3rd page..

Anyway, here's a screenshot of my equalizer:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/VX_StonedPigeon/equalizerSMAX.jpg

This is the one I don't ever change. I prefer to have one good setup for nearly everything. Keep in mind though, that a a good setup for me doesn't have to be a good setup for you. Every system is different... Also, you could make as much profiles as you like, if that's your thing...

I didn't set up my game sound so the engines sound like Griffons or Merlins... I don't think that's possible with this game. I just like the in-game sounds as they are, but I have to add a lot off bass with my 2nd equalizer.

I think the best way to setup your sound is making little changes while listening to a familiar song, but it has to be high quality (not some 196 bit .mp3...) and have a high tonal range (lots of highs, mids and lows). Ofcourse, it also helps if you like the song... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Just keep adjusting your setup until you're completely happy with how things sound. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

grndragon57
11-10-2007, 10:17 AM
The Realtek sound manager helped tweak the sound. I like the generic effect for IL-2.

leitmotiv
11-10-2007, 10:38 AM
Hoo hoo. There is no substitute for the real thing. The sound of Daimlers on The Mod is The Goods.

LEBillfish
11-10-2007, 11:19 AM
Oleg (the one all claim never helped out on this issue)...Since day one has stated "poor sounds are the result of poor hardware and its software. With quality equipment they perform as intended."

So get a "good" (even low grade now equivalent to great when such statements were made) sound card to help ease off system resources, and you'll find with most they come with software, those that don't it's out there......

Pigeon_
11-10-2007, 11:21 AM
Why pay for a soundcart while you can get hundreds of free equalizers?

LEBillfish
11-10-2007, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Pigeon_:
Why pay for a soundcart while you can get hundreds of free equalizers?

Why buy a graphics card when most motherboards and software do the same thing?

Because it reduces system resources and load often enhancing quality...Same same....

Stiletto-
11-10-2007, 11:39 AM
I am not saying I have bad sounds, infact the sounds themselves sound pretty decent on my X-Fi with 5.1 Klipsch speakers, but the "sound" of my Bf-109 sounding exactly like an La-5 and a FW-190 makes me slightly sick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pigeon_
11-10-2007, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pigeon_:
Why pay for a soundcart while you can get hundreds of free equalizers?

Why buy a graphics card when most motherboards and software do the same thing?

Because it reduces system resources and load often enhancing quality...Same same.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Comparing apples to pears here... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
11-10-2007, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:
I am not saying I have bad sounds, infact the sounds themselves sound pretty decent on my X-Fi with 5.1 Klipsch speakers, but the "sound" of my Bf-109 sounding exactly like an La-5 and a FW-190 makes me slightly sick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If those aircraft sound the same with you, you HAVE a bad sound. There are differences between the planes, especially in outside views.

Capt.LoneRanger
11-10-2007, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Pigeon_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pigeon_:
Why pay for a soundcart while you can get hundreds of free equalizers?

Why buy a graphics card when most motherboards and software do the same thing?

Because it reduces system resources and load often enhancing quality...Same same.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Comparing apples to pears here... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really. But most people think that way, I'm afraid...

Dagnabit
11-10-2007, 11:53 PM
I agree Capt.LoneRanger, there are definately different engine sounds for different planes. And on most AC the sound outside is especially defining, and I like the flyby sounds. And they sound different from varied angles as it should be.
My intentions with this thread is to remind everyone that many of us already have solutions to some of the percieved sound problems, wheher we use headphones or speakers. I dont imagine there are too many people here that are using something like Monitor speakers, at least lets hope not. But for those that might want an inexpensive upgrade, Circuit City has some offerings starting at $50.00 after rebate This gets 2 desk speakers and a subwoofer. This is what I have, cost was $100.00 after rebates at that time.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Z-2300-2-1-Spea...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Z-2300-2-1-Speaker-System-970118-0403/sem/rpsm/oid/124077/catOid/-13041/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)

There are no doubt cheaper alternatives around, but the main point being that a cheap upgrade can mean alot
This is obvoiusly an entry level set of speakers but for the size room I am in they are more than adequate, and I can get more decent undistorted sound than I can stand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Thumper I was not able to get any sound control windows up in game, what I did was CTRL+ALT+DEL with the game running,and on Vista I get an options page and I select cancel. That leaves the game minimized to the task bar. Then make an adjustment and bring the game back up to check it. Its faster than waiting for the game to reload after each setting. Sure would be nice to just pop it up on the screen while runnung the game though.

Pigeon, THAT is a cool looking EQ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif Im wishing mine was that elaborate I have a feeling this thread is going to cost me some cash output. I had already intended to get a Fair ta middlin, surround system, but I will be checking out sound cards as well. I have read something about what LEBillfish is saying that soundcards enhance system performance, (only she said it better) and with some of the newer games coming along will make the investment worthwhile.

grndragon57 I tried that one, generic with all the bass the sub. will put out..its pretty good thnks. A number of the special effects options just arent appropriate for aircraft sounds but they are easy to weed out. I am also getting much better results with other game sounds especially explosions, rocket sounds, and even the clickclick when I hit the bomb release is better defined.

leit...you are such a perfectionist!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Time to go fly...
Dag

Stiletto-
11-10-2007, 11:56 PM
Ranger, if you think the 109 190 and La-5 sound different from each other, I think there is something seriously wrong with your head. We are talking about the original sounds not the sound mod, to further my point I have recorded the sounds directly out of IL-2 into an mp3.

First is a 109-G6, then a 190-A8, then the La-5fn, they all sound VERY similar, if there are differences, they are nearly indistinguishable. If anything, the La-5 sounds slightly different in externals, but thats not really important when 99 percent of your time is inside the aircraft.

http://webpages.charter.net/scottomatic/il2_engine_comparison.mp3

I challenge you to do a straight recording out of your install and come up with anything that is substanialy different, I would be amazed.

Fighterduck
11-11-2007, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Hoo hoo. There is no substitute for the real thing. The sound of Daimlers on The Mod is The Goods.

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trumper
11-11-2007, 02:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifThanks for the answers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Regarding recording and listening to other peoples recordings,would you only hear it the way your computer is set up not necessarily the same as the persons who recorded it?.
I would set up mine primarily for music and film sounds as that would be the prime reason and hope it helps with il2[although there does seem to be a way of saving profiles for different things].
I have an MSI equaliser and 2 logitech speakers + subwoofer to play with.The sound is realtek AC97.
Dagnabit,does ALT-TAB not work with Vista to drop out of the game and reduce it to the drip tray?
Thanks all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jaws2002
11-11-2007, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If those aircraft sound the same with you, you HAVE a bad sound. There are differences between the planes, especially in outside views.

Sorry but you are wrong here. In the game there are only <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">six engine sounds</span> for all prop planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

So no matter what hardware you have, engines that share the same sound files will sound the same.

Art-J
11-11-2007, 08:30 AM
Agree on this one. The same synthesized sample used on few airplanes might sound more or less deep, depending on hardware (I went through 3 types of soundcards with this game myself, stayed with Audigy 2 so far), but still it's the same f%&#in' sample over and over again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. It's just slightly tweaked to make it pretend to be different on radials and inlines. Sure, it sounds like an airplane engine and not lawnmower, but it's no match for sounds based on recorded real warbird samples and in my opinion no hardware/software tweaks can really change that.

Cheers - Art