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Ace-Kuhn
12-21-2005, 07:14 AM
Hey guys, I picked up IL-2 because it was dirt cheap and got great reviews. Realizing the complexity of this game I thought id join the forums and ask for some pointers for an absolute new user, e.i. planes to use, missions to practice one... whatever info you can offer. I'd like to really get into this and am looking into getting a quality flight stick setup. (right now im using Cybord Saitek 3d gold, not too crazy about its responsiveness). My ultimate goal is to go on-line and be able to compete. Thanks for any help you guys offer. Shawn Kuhn

HART_dreyer
12-21-2005, 07:18 AM
If you want to see how to fly Solo Online you might want to check out my tracks at:

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/

You can download these and view them on your computer by placing them in the "Records" folder under Il2.

Ace-Kuhn
12-21-2005, 08:02 AM
If you are running the expansion and I am not will I be able to view your videos? Also, im curious to know what flight stick setup you have. Thanks for the help.

hamselv2
12-21-2005, 08:57 AM
http://www.joint-ops.com/joil2fb/default.asp

http://www.airwarfare.com/

http://airwarfare.com/mediawiki-1.4.5/index.php?title=Main_Page

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm

http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm#008

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4721047273

http://www.il2flying.com/content/category/7/77/36/

http://www.combatsim.com/htm/jan99/ACM-pt3.htm

http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten%5FBattles%5Fa...FPacific%5FFighters/ (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten%5FBattles%5Fand%5FPacific%5FFighters/)

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/downloads.php?cat_id=19

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=009403;p=

http://www.checksix-fr.com/

http://france-simulation.com/download.php?dcategory=MISSIONS+PF

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?s=134ff2ce0eb3704a...8cd07a&dlcategory=53 (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?s=134ff2ce0eb3704ab1f36eab128cd07a&dlcategory=53)

http://www.1java.org/index.php

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/50910533/m/3471086183

http://www.vpmedia.hu/il2/

http://www.canons-skins.com/

http://members.cox.net/hammerd/Main.html

http://jesters.1java.org/

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2151026183


TrackIR (hardware)
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=2...041041683#6041041683 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=1361040683&r=6041041683#6041041683)

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/

Chuck_Older
12-21-2005, 10:12 AM
Shawn, what's your background like concerning WWII aviation?

neural_dream
12-21-2005, 10:16 AM
As always here I am to recommend the Aircraft and Cockpit reference guide specifically written for newbies.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/8311086963

http://storage.msn.com/x1pmAkndzHuOfe1jCPkWUYJgDKiwtdbsN4ScvYecni4IN6mV1X EqZVqvsn3E_ku57JoAgPSuO8o48pmxZms9zjhpGE8tmPA1YqiD F0FCZCxFKlRnpX9V5ibOiGcFMAqIEqo

Bearcat99
12-21-2005, 10:20 AM
Welcome aboard Kuhn... always good to see new blood in here!! So I gather you found IL2 in the bargain bin... a good place for it considerimng there are leigions of simmers out there who have yet to taste it... and all it takes is a taste to get hooked.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

IL2 is a great sim..... Forgotten Battles 4.xx is even better...... a LOT better. You can consider IL2 as a demo for FB...LOL. I highly recomend you merge. If you are in the US your local Comp USA should have what you need. Hit the Sturmovik Essentials link in my sig and look at the top of it at the Why run as merged link..... it is pretty self explanatory. As far as sticks go.... that all depends on what you want. I highly recommend tat whatever you do you choose some kind of HOTAS (<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">H</span>ands <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">O</span> <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">T</span>hrottle <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">A</span>nd <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">S</span>tick) setup.

The Saiteks are good bang for the buck if money is an issue... but from all accounts I have heard the CH products are the best if you have the money. I use a MSFFB2/Saitek X-45/CH USB pedals setup that I am quite happy with. There is a link to reconditioned Saiteks..... if you can get one by all means do so. The site is often out of stock because the sticks are good and for the price you cant beat it. I am sure someonewill pst a link. I am not on my home PC so I dont have it here.

Check out some of the other links in that Essentials thread.... and by allmeans.... keep Airwarfare.com at the TOP of your list. it is by far THE most essential website for flight simmers on the net IMHO of course.

!S! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Oh.... one more thing..... if you are just running IL2 you can only fly with folks who have IL2 and even then you havetpo be patched to the same version. The IL2 patches go up to 1.2.... However I once agina recommend that you buy the Forgotten Battles GOLD pack -which is Forgotten Battles plus The Aces Expansion Pack in one box.... ($30 at Comp USA) and then get Pacific Fighters ($20 at Comp USA) and then merge them so that you will be running FB 4.0... then patch it to 4.02m. (FB=FB1.0, FB+AEP=FB2.0,FB+AEP+PF=FB3.0,FB3.0 + patches 3.03m,4.01m & 4.02m= FB4.02)

dbillo
12-21-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Ace-Kuhn:
If you (Dreyer)are running the expansion and I am not will I be able to view your videos?
No, you won't be able to view his tracks unless you install FB+AEP+PF and patch to at least 4.01m, but as Bearcat has pointed out, it's well worth it to buy and install all that, and essential if you're going to fly online with most people.

Ace-Kuhn
12-21-2005, 11:37 AM
To answer chuck first, I have zero experience concerning WWII aircraft. I like things that have alot of depth and i've been interested in taking flying lessons for awhile so I thought id give this a shot.

To Bearcat99, I should have been more specific, I do have IL2:FB. I really wanted to pick up the $30.00 pack with the expansion but since I got FB for only $7.00 I thought I would give it a shot and then go back and grab the bundle pack if it really interested me. Well, thanks for all the guides, i'll be sure and check em out. I tried playing online once and was just a big pin cushion. lol Granted I didnt know what I was doing. I definately want to get a HOTAS setup, I read, like bearcat99 said, that CH makes very responsive durable sticks, but I also got the impression that saitek had the better throttle. I was wondering if its possible to combine the components from two different manufacturers such as the the stick, throttle, and peddals. Anyways. Thanks alot for all the helpful info. I will keep you guys posted on my progress.

MLudner
12-21-2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Ace-Kuhn:
Hey guys, I picked up IL-2 because it was dirt cheap and got great reviews. Realizing the complexity of this game I thought id join the forums and ask for some pointers for an absolute new user, e.i. planes to use, missions to practice one... whatever info you can offer. I'd like to really get into this and am looking into getting a quality flight stick setup. (right now im using Cybord Saitek 3d gold, not too crazy about its responsiveness). My ultimate goal is to go on-line and be able to compete. Thanks for any help you guys offer. Shawn Kuhn

Welcome abroad.

First, heed everything Bearcat said. You'll never go wrong doing that when it comes to Il-2 / FB / PF.

I used to use the Cyborg 3D Gold, but I have moved on to a Saitek X-52 and CH Pro Pedals and that is a better combination. Pedals are better than twist for Yaw control. The Cyborg will work fine, though.

Watch the training tracks that come with the game; you can learn some things from them even though they could have been done better.

I recommend training for flight in either the P-40 series or Yak series as they are easy to fly and very forgiving.

If you ever go so far as the Pacific Theater train for Carrier Ops with the F4F-3 Wildcat, it is also an easy ship to fly.

Skycat_2
12-21-2005, 11:56 AM
I don't have much to offer except something I've discovered about online competition vs. offline gaming:

Human opponents are more difficult to evade than the AI enemies. In offline mode you may not be able to outrun enemy planes but you can usually avoid their fire by maintaining a steady turn. This isn't the case with humans, however; they can 'lead' you and anticipate where your plane will be when the bullets begin to fly. Online is filled with Aces who can hit your engine with their first burst ... it's agonizing!

Anyhow, the Quick Mission Builder (and offline missions for that matter) isn't a great tool for learning evasion because you quickly learn one or two simple ways to beat the AI's poor gunnery. However, you can still use QMB to practice your aerial maneuvers and to learn the limitations of your preferred plane -- try setting yourself up with only a flight of one or two friendly wingmen and no enemies to bother you. Your AI wingmate(s) are programmed to stick to you like glue; find ways to shake him and get on his tail instead. It's not easy to accomplish because he desperately wants to be behind you! If you succeed, you can practice keeping your wingman in your sights -- again, he'll be doing all he can to shake you so he can get behind you again. If he does, no harm ... he won't shoot you down.

That's just a training idea you might want to try before or in addition to actual combat practice.

MLudner
12-21-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Ace-Kuhn:
To answer chuck first, I have zero experience concerning WWII aircraft. I like things that have alot of depth and i've been interested in taking flying lessons for awhile so I thought id give this a shot.

To Bearcat99, I should have been more specific, I do have IL2:FB. I really wanted to pick up the $30.00 pack with the expansion but since I got FB for only $7.00 I thought I would give it a shot and then go back and grab the bundle pack if it really interested me. Well, thanks for all the guides, i'll be sure and check em out. I tried playing online once and was just a big pin cushion. lol Granted I didnt know what I was doing. I definately want to get a HOTAS setup, I read, like bearcat99 said, that CH makes very responsive durable sticks, but I also got the impression that saitek had the better throttle. I was wondering if its possible to combine the components from two different manufacturers such as the the stick, throttle, and peddals. Anyways. Thanks alot for all the helpful info. I will keep you guys posted on my progress.

It is. But the Ch Pro Manager will cause your pedals to take over all control surfaces, so remove it after you have loaded the drivers for the game, then use the HOTAS settings in the Controls Menu to establish the pedals for your rudder controls.

neural_dream
12-21-2005, 12:01 PM
I will agree about using the P-40, which I find ideal for several reasons. However, it isn't a particularly forgiving bird, which is good. Otherwise you'll get bad habits.

Understandably you will soon want to get some kills in 334th dedicated and the other frag-like servers. For that I recommend the La-7, a very fast and agile bird which will give you your first online kills very quickly.

Later you'll probably want to try the more "realistic" servers, where you'll have to learn navigation, team tactics and of course master one of the less forgiving but better rides.

Skycat_2
12-21-2005, 12:09 PM
Forgotten Battles isn't a bad title by itself. Be sure to get the FB upgrade patches that bring it up to v1.22 -- that will give you an additional flyable P-51D and two Japanese fighters, some US ground vehicles, new Normandy, Ardennes and Pacific Online maps, and AI B-17G and C-41. Use the 'patching the entire series' link at the top of the forum to find the patches you need; be careful not to download the patches for the original IL-2 game which have similar version numbers (1.1a, 1.2, 1.2ov -- you don't want these!).

Troll2k
12-21-2005, 12:50 PM
For me online is the place to be.Go get the HyperLobby client and you are all set.

Not only flying but help and good chat.However there are no FB 1.22 games there.You will have to go to Ubi.com to find a server.

Despite what people say this is a game.You have a virtual life and can respawn as many times as you wish.Jump in and who cares how many times you get shot down.Most people online are willing to help out beginners.

Bearcat99
12-21-2005, 03:58 PM
Go to the links with the pictures in this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4591089933/r/4591089933#4591089933) thread. Search for Aces Expansion. Comp USA sells it for $10.... get it ASAP. The nice thing about the Comp USA site is that you can search your local Comp USA to see if they have it in stock. Just add it to the cart, go to checkout,it will say select store.... put in your zip code, hit contimue, it will bring up a list of stores within 50 miles of your zipcode.. then select the store.... continue... and it will tell you if the local CUSA has the item in stock.

Multiple controllers.... the sim will handle up to four controllers... as I stated I use 3, the MSFFB2, X-45 and CH pedals... which is mopre than enough. If you really want a HOTAS and FFB and you cant find a MS stick at a decent price try the EVO FFB.... and an X-45... try here (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) first.

Chuck_Older
12-21-2005, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Ace-Kuhn:
To answer chuck first, I have zero experience concerning WWII aircraft. I like things that have alot of depth

OK, well, you can get a little overwhelmed then. Do you have any friends or family that are, and might have books on it? Borrow them if possible (the books not the people http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

If not, you might consider getting some, but some are pricey, unfortunately. Two that spring to mind immediately are The Concise Guide to Axis Aircraft by David Mondey (but beware that Mr Mondey's editor wasn't as picky as he may have been, there are several errors), and a book byt the same author with the same type of name ("Concise guide to") US aircraft of WWII. But again, ther are some errors. However, these books are an excellent primer for wartime aviation

A man by the name of Walter Boyne wrote a book called "Clash of Wings" that is a nice overview of the whole war in the air during WWII as well

You might also want to check out this link:
http://www.historicaviation.com

and take a look at their books, videos, art, memoribilia, etc. I recommend checking Amazon.com for better book prices though

As far as the sim goes, I recommed picking an aircraft you like, and sticking with it while learning the basics

I like the P-40s myself, the early ones. It might be confusing, but the P-40B is essentially the same aircraft ast the Hawk 81A-2 in the sim. Long story short, the USAAC (United States Army Air Corps, the predecessor to the USAAF, the "United States Army Air Force" and the USAF, which was formed in 1947) called the Curtiss Hawk 81 family the P-40 in military service. The Curtiss name was Hawk 81, and the H81A-2 was the export version (read: not for US military use) of the P-40B. the P-40C is generally similar with a few minor details like provision for external fuel

if you like P-40s...this could be you:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/avg68.jpg

Flying from here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/kunnew2.jpg

Looks good even if I do say so myself! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

If not, the sim supports a broad range of possibilities. Perhaps this would be more your style:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/mosca.jpg

(I had nothing to do with that scenario although I wish I had!)

I know that those shots may be a little confusing...but you'll probably learn all about the hows and whys of those (at least semi-) historical events in a short time. The amount of info out there is incredible and you can always ask here