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p-39driver
06-03-2005, 02:22 AM
Time to replace the old interact raiderpro six buttom digital.

What I DON'T need is "twist" throttle or twist rudder control.

What I do need is one with a throttle lever and at least six buttons.

I've looked at some Saitek sticks.They seem well built but have no suction cups to secure the stick to the desk.I get the impression that they would slide while in use.

I'm looking at a price range of about 40-60 U.S. Dollars or EURO.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

stansdds
06-03-2005, 04:22 AM
I'm sure the CH Fighterstick is beyond your budgeted amount, but it has 15 buttons and with the function switch you can have up to 45 buttons, plus the hat switch and throttle wheel. I know they are expensive, but I think they are worth every bit of the premium price.

strewth
06-03-2005, 04:56 AM
I bought a Saitek X52 because:

(1)I wanted a decent throttle.

(2) It was good value for money IMHO and appears to be built alot better than the X45.

I got it home and tried the throttle, Hey this is good. I tried the stick out of interest sake and never plugged my MSFFB2 back in since. It is not the best in the world beat all hands down, but it is good.

The settings are great and I really haven't had the time to learn them all.

One of the greatest things is I now have manual landing gear such as the F2F and the F4F raise and lower completely from toggling a lever for about 1 second duration instead of the old pumpety pump.

Great feel in the stick as well with no definite snap back to centre. It seems to just break away from that centre point with minimal pressure allowing for finer adjustments.

Best of luck with your choice.

402Cdn.Valkyrie
06-03-2005, 05:35 AM
HOTAS Cougar... http://europe.thrustmaster.com/eng/dsp_fam.php?fam=39

DROOL!!!

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-03-2005, 07:01 AM
CH! CH! CH!

The Fighterstick is certainly NOT necessary. I use the Flightstick Pro in conjunction with rudder pedals, Pro Throttle and TIR3 pro. As has been said many times, this still isn't the cheapest setup, but it isn't necessary to purchase it all at once either. For those on a tighter budget, I recommend getting the stick and pedals first if possible then adding either the TIR or throttle afterwards.

Whatever you do, make every effort not to skimp. I use the "buying a house" analogy. Buy a little more than you can currently afford. You'll be glad you did and you'll grow into it.

TB

TPN_Cephas
06-03-2005, 08:30 AM
CH CH CH CH CH CH

If you can afford it there is no better and the quality is superb, they just don't wear out. (like umm another brand I won't mention.... cough cough "Cougar" cough)

I think provantage.com has the best prices for CH gear that I know. Here is a lnik to the Combat Stick 568 that I use, its about $70 US.

http://www.provantage.com/buy-22037245-ch-combatstick-568-usb-shopping.htm

buz13
06-03-2005, 08:40 AM
Sorry I must disagree with TPN....I have had to replace my CH Flightstick Pro and am on my second one........of course I've been using them since birth....so I'd say a life span of about 12.5 years per stick....but I need to wait till this one dies,it's about 12 now, before I know for sure....maybe the one that died at age 12 just couldn't handle having hot coffee spilled down the control stick opening...

VELCRO_FLY
06-03-2005, 11:14 PM
Well, maybe not the most popular, but the X45 works great for me. Granted I have only had it about 5 months, but so far so good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Plus, for the price range you are looking at you can't beat it. I got mine for $45 U.S. It is for sale in their website for $39.99 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif IMHO for that price you can't beat it.

ytareh
06-04-2005, 02:25 AM
I'll probably be burned at the stake for saying this but I use a Logitech Extreme 3d pro.Now they are NOTORIOUS for the 'potentiometers' going in them with the result that you loose control in a certain direction and the plane crashes mysteriously....The first stick I had was one of these and sure enough after a month or two it died.Then I got a Saitek Evo and hated the floppy limp uncomfortable thing.The whole ambidextrous thing might be great for lefties but compromises right handed comfort.Anyway IT broke(spring got even limper-maybe because I had 'tied together' some coils in it!!!)and it was time for stick number 3.I reckoned at this point that sticks were 'disposable' and seeing as "PC World "were paying for them.....!!!!I got another Logitech Extreme 3d pro.Ive been using this one for 4 or 5 months now and love it.I even got the wireless equivalent at half price in a sale in case this one went.Now at 16 US dollars in the site that an above poster linked I would say buy 3 of these!!!!!!Although it might be sensible to pay a bit more for a CH(as I probably will myself when (if!!!!) these Logitechs go.)Any others who cant give up their LogitechsDo the pots go in the wireless onesAre the CH springs nice and strong?

Padser
06-04-2005, 02:49 AM
If you want strong springs, go for the Thrustmaster Cougar (assuming you've got the pennies for it) - I'm selling mine and have gone back to my trusted CH Fighterstick & throttle. Too heavy and strong for me.

Don't be too put off by the obscene price tag - you often see them cheaper on ebay or via the Frugal's Cougar web site and forum

What I really want is one of these: http://www.simw.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=dsp_product_details&pid=19 Better win the lottery first though... ;-)

~S~

Pads

p-39driver
06-04-2005, 08:14 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks for the help,all of you.
The saitek st-290(14.99euro),Or the saitek cyborg 3d(19.99 euro) seem to be the stick of choice.Both appear to be pretty well built,and at a nice price.

I could go for the "high speed stuff",but I only play 2-3 time a week,maybe 30 minutes at a time,maximum.

I figure either stick would do the trick,and last a while at the rate I play.

Once again,thanks for the tips.When in doubt,ask those "in the know",and "know before you go(shop)".

Bearcat99
06-04-2005, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by VELCRO_FLY:
Well, maybe not the most popular, but the X45 works great for me. Granted I have only had it about 5 months, but so far so good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Plus, for the price range you are looking at you can't beat it. I got mine for $45 U.S. It is for sale in their website for $39.99 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif IMHO for that price you can't beat it.

What he said....

XyZspineZyX
06-05-2005, 01:43 AM
Hello,

The X-52 from Saitek is a good choice . The price and quality are in a good equilibrium. And if you want to play "modern" filght simulation you should have "buttons" in reserve (it is perfect to play Lock On).

Sensei.

veauger
06-05-2005, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by p-39driver:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks for the help,all of you.
The saitek st-290(14.99euro),Or the saitek cyborg 3d(19.99 euro) seem to be the stick of choice.Both appear to be pretty well built,and at a nice price.


I used a ST290 before I got my Evo Force, and it worked great. Can't be beat for the price if you're just going to play casually. Its programmable too (even though mine didnt actually come with the software for that; I had to download it from saitek's site).

You might also want to look for the Evo (not the force feedback version), which is just like the ST290 but with 6 more buttons on the base. Only drawback to the Evo in your case is the twist rudder, I guess, even though you could disable input from that axis.

p-39driver
06-05-2005, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by veauger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-39driver:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks for the help,all of you.
The saitek st-290(14.99euro),Or the saitek cyborg 3d(19.99 euro) seem to be the stick of choice.Both appear to be pretty well built,and at a nice price.


I used a ST290 before I got my Evo Force, and it worked great. Can't be beat for the price if you're just going to play casually. Its programmable too (even though mine didnt actually come with the software for that; I had to download it from saitek's site).

You might also want to look for the Evo (not the force feedback version), which is just like the ST290 but with 6 more buttons on the base. Only drawback to the Evo in your case is the twist rudder, I guess, even though you could disable input from that axis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I take it the st290 comes woth the basic drivers.Or do you have to download those?

Clan_Graham
06-05-2005, 08:03 AM
Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold USB...the best stick I have ever owned.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/Shrike401/00027434.jpg

Fliegeroffizier
06-05-2005, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by ytareh:
I'll probably be burned at the stake for saying this but I use a Logitech Extreme 3d pro.......Any others who cant give up their Logitechs...?

Logitech Wingman Strike Force 3D (with forcefeedback and twist stick rudder control))...I personally would Never have a stick without forcefeedback.

Great stick in my opinion, although most folks who visit this forum seem Not to like Logitech.
http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/LogJoystick.jpg

I program the four positions of Each of the Two POV tophats to unique functions(total of Eight)....as a result, I can control Eleven separate functions with Just my Thumb! Among other vital 'thumb'-functions is trim control, making it very simple to almostconstantly adjust trim without even thinking about it.

The five buttons on the base (three distinct positions of the scroll wheel plus two standalone buttons) plus the finger trigger results in a total of Seventeen functions!

Keyboard keys are needed only for the rarely used functions, such as lowering gear and tailhook, opening closing radiator, opening canopy,etc...

Logitech sticks DO have a reputation for breaking, so I purchased two additional ones as backups, just in case. $20 each on Ebay when i bought them a year or so ago, but just a few days ago I saw auctions closing at a price of less than $5.00!!! Unfortunately, the shipping cost of $12 is a bit high...nevertheless, I might even buy myself another backup stick at this cheap price.
Ebay Logitech Wingman Strike Force 3D auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74944&item=5204682312&rd=1)

Maple_Tiger
06-05-2005, 08:06 PM
Well, I'm one of them who suggest to stay away from Logitech. My Extreme 3D pro only lasted about 3 months, and I didn't even use it much lol.

I bought this CH fighter stick two weeks ago at a high price;however , I may never have to buy a nother.

That all typed out, pointed out, and not to mention pointles, I say CH all the way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

gbollin
06-08-2005, 09:59 AM
I have an X-45 but I do not like the stick
portion. I have combined the X-45 throttle and
stick with an old Thrustmaster Top Gun USB
stick. I like the look and feel of the old
style F-4 stick. I have programmed alot of
controls onto the X-45 and use the Thrustmaster for Flying and weapons.

TylerD75
06-08-2005, 11:22 AM
I'm a proud owner of a Cougar! I used to own a Logitech 3D Extreeme. I've had quite a few joysticks in my time, so I figured why not spend a lot on a joystick now, and have it working for the next 20 years? In comes Cougar! And what a beast! No problem keeping 8kg on the desk without sliding.
And yes, I thought it was way too rigid and actually quite uncomfortable...in the beginning. This eased off after some time. Now I don't know if its springs have slacked off from use, or if I've just been Cougarized. I can't live without it now, but to say you never have to spend money on joysticks again is a lie. The pots are spiking after some time, and you will eventually need to replace them. But you can get original pots (for about 10euros a piece if I remember correctly [there are 3 of them]) or you can get some pots (forgot what they're called) that are more expensive, but lasts for the next 10 years (or more). You also get a lot of different upgrades for it, and the next stick (yes, you can change the actual stick on it) is a F15 replica!

Also you have limitless programability on it. There are about 20-25 buttons on the stick and throttle, but 3 of these are switches (where each position CAN function as a shift, ctrl or alt key. Which means you can slide the dogfight switch into up, middle or down position, and Trigger1 can fuction as Fire Gun, Fire Rocket or Drop Bomb). You also have logical keys (not visible) that can be programmed to be triggered by a combination of keys. All in all there are more keys on the Cougar than on your keyboard.

BUT if you're thinking of buying a Cougar: Start programming it your self. You find a lot of ready-to-use downloads, but you spend about as much time figuring out what the keys are set up to do, as when you program it yourself.

Ankanor
06-08-2005, 12:44 PM
Seeing and answering in a few of these threads, it seems the only logitech joystick that goes on without problems is the ForceFeedback (see Fliegeroffizier's post above) I own the Freedom 2.4 Cordless, it's a replacement, the original lost calibrattion after about 200 hours of gaming. This one holds fine for now *crosses fingers* If you could cough 100 Euros, you can find the X-52 in ebay for that sum. This is the "Mercedes S-class" of the joysticks in my opinion. Heck, I could even leave that thing for a decoration!