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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:00 PM
I've looked into VOW & VEF stats to find the best and I saw that most of the best pilots are Russians.

How come this happening?

Is it because the're playing more?
Because they are more (but still all other players are more than Russians)?
Because of what?

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:00 PM
I've looked into VOW & VEF stats to find the best and I saw that most of the best pilots are Russians.

How come this happening?

Is it because the're playing more?
Because they are more (but still all other players are more than Russians)?
Because of what?

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:09 PM
Ancient Chinese secret.....

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:22 PM
Could it be that the russians had better airplanes? SHOCK HORROR!!!!

(PS cold war propaganda has a lot to answer for)

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:23 PM
Targ wrote:
- Ancient Chinese secret.....

Wouldn't it be an ancient Russian secret?


Perhaps the Russians do well because they don't fly German and American planes online.

michapma
08-07-2003, 02:24 PM
Do you mean VVS pilots or actual Russian pilots?

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:27 PM
michapma wrote:
- Do you mean VVS pilots or actual Russian pilots?
-


Correct question!

I mean actual Russian pilots.

If you see in VEF (for example) the best OKL pilots are still Russians!

I'm not talking about Russian planes vs German planes, I'm talking about Russian pilots vs All other.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Russian.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:31 PM
The top American pilots are better.

They just don't care about playing VOW & VEF.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:33 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- The top American pilots are better.
-
- They just don't care about playing VOW & VEF.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:39 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- The top American pilots are better.
-
- They just don't care about playing VOW & VEF.
-


Name them please. And if they listen to you tell them to register and try their abilities ONLINE.

My observation was made from real stats not big mouth talking.

Zayets
08-07-2003, 02:41 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- The top American pilots are better.
-
- They just don't care about playing VOW & VEF.

- "The Farce is strong with this one." -What a fart
- said of RayBanJockey during a fight when he was
- still a newbie.Nothing changed since then...


Nobody wants to fly with you RBJ! Face it , you're to weak even in basic handling of an aircraft.Go to school,or get a life,or a girlfriend , whatever...


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:47 PM
I have to agree with RBJ.
Not everyone cares to play VEF or VOW but still play exclusivley online. There will never, ever be a way to determine who is best

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Message Edited on 08/07/0302:56PM by Phist25

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 02:58 PM
Please do not simplify in such way. Some weeks ago I read the same stupidity from a OKL pilot, saying "OKL Pilots were the best internet pilots !".

There are EXCELLENT german pilots and EXCELLENT russian pilots. No country has the best pilots. One of the best german pilots I know is spanish, by the way. And I know another spanish pilot which is one of the best VVS pilots. Who's best? Who knows? It doesn't matter. And you can find this in any country

Please stop kidding !!, let's be serious

BTW Have you fly any VEF-1, VEF-2 or VOW mission?.

Kind regards

FAE Cazador

EDITED: Thx, Tully, pls erase other thread I started



Message Edited on 08/07/0302:00PM by FAE_Cazador_

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:01 PM
Not true at all... I shoot Russians down all the time....To say there better is an under statement

ZG77_Nagual
08-07-2003, 03:03 PM
I've flown some very good Russians, also germans, brits, poles, japanese and a few others. many quite good, most all polite - which matters more.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:08 PM
Zayets wrote:
-- Nobody wants to fly with you RBJ! Face it , you're
- to weak even in basic handling of an aircraft.Go
- to school,or get a life,or a girlfriend ,
- whatever...


LOL.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I want to fly with RBJ!

RBJ is one of the most entertaining people in these forums. My recent disappointment at finding out that that's not actually him in his sig pic has been replaced by the joy of realising exactly what it is that makes RBJ so entertaining. It's because he has a strong opinion on, err... everything. The result is that he's never boring. And believe me, one thing these forums don't need is more boring people. I speak from experience.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:09 PM
FAE_Cazador_ wrote:
- Please do not simplify in such way.

I don't like doing this, but it's something I observe for so long that I wanted to express to the community.

- There are EXCELLENT german pilots and EXCELLENT
- russian pilots. No country has the best pilots. One
- of the best german pilots I know is spanish, by the
- way. And I know another spanish pilot which is one
- of the best VVS pilots. Who's best? Who knows? It
- doesn't matter. And you can find this in any country

Yes there are excellent pilots all over but I repeat that MOST of the best pilots are from Russia. And it is a fact as far as I know.

- Please stop kidding !!, let's be serious

I would not make fun with such matters cause>>>read my next reply

-
- BTW Have you fly any VEF-1, VEF-2 or VOW mission?.
-

More than 400 missions since VEF1 by the OKL side. Is it enough?

Zayets
08-07-2003, 03:16 PM
RocketDog wrote:

-
- RBJ is one of the most entertaining people in these
- forums. My recent disappointment at finding out that
- that's not actually him in his sig pic has been
- replaced by the joy of realising exactly what it is
- that makes RBJ so entertaining. It's because he has
- a strong opinion on, err... everything. The result
- is that he's never boring. And believe me, one thing
- these forums don't need is more boring people. I
- speak from experience.
-
- Regards,
-
- RocketDog.


RBJ is by not boring at all. Actually , most of my post adressing him are just to make him loose his temper and to challenge me on a head-on. This tactic didn't succeded so far , so I must try something else. Until I will see his skills , I will keep doing this. you said he has a strong opinion in everything. nope , nobody here claimed he's the ace , but RBJ. so , is not strong oppinion , but big mouth , is that simple. He's just weak , probably he doesn't even own the game but has a big mouth. That's entertaining , true. And I always have fun with this.




Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:19 PM
Untre Zen fighter

VOW topscorer is a German flying LW, 2nd Chinese flying LW, 3rd flying LW, 4th a German flying LW, 5th a Chzech flying LW.

Units

Topscorer is ROSS but kills per mission are the non-russian unit better, same on points per mission, kills per own KIA are the LW-unit also better by far./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:21 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:


The top American pilots are better.

They just don't care about playing VOW & VEF.



They will only care until the war is nearly over and then they will join in and claim they won it! Hey Ray?

LOL





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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:36 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Untre Zen fighter
-
- VOW topscorer is a German flying LW, 2nd Chinese
- flying LW, 3rd flying LW, 4th a German flying LW,
- 5th a Chzech flying LW.

I don't think that same applies to more challenging VEF.
Do you? (and don't forget that best Russian fighters just don't fly on VOW - which is kinda strange to me I can say).


- Units
-
- Topscorer is ROSS but kills per mission are the
- non-russian unit better, same on points per mission,
- kills per own KIA are the LW-unit also better by
- far.

I'm not talking about ROSS. They are very-very average, except from very few of them.

But I can name some of the best Russian fighters that I can't find a match to other countries' fighters if you want.
Though I would not like to do so.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:43 PM
Yeah, there are lots of good pilots from all over. Russia has no more or no less than the usual share.

IMHO, top scoring VOW and VEF pilots have to be very good, but not necessarily the best. You just have to fly lots and lots of missions (over 200 mission and over 100 hours online), and be pretty competent, to accumulate the points to put you at the top.

I've flown with many of the top VOW pilots and they're all very good to excellent. But I've also shot several of them down.

Also, stats can be misleading. There are ways to pump up your score. You could take off, turn around and land and get 125 points in VOW if you side wins. Do that 100 times and you're in the top 20 VOW pilots.

You could host missions and, if you get killed, don't report the mission. That way you'll never lose points and you Kills/KIA ratio stays high. It's against the rules, but I'm sure it's happened.

Bottom line - the best pilots are definitely not all Russian and determining who are the best pilots isn't as easy as looking at an online statboard.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:46 PM
Not true. VEF and other online wars are not an indicator of skills, at least to me. I`v met some pretty darn good british, american, french guys that can fly like you wont believe. You can tell that i am not a big fan of online wars /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW i am russian...and i am horrible pilot... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:47 PM
@FAE_Cazador:

Para gustos los colores. Pero tengo bastante claro quien reparte el bacalao en Espaņa. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Yo dije que los pilotos alemanes espaņoles eran superiores a los pilotos espaņoles que vuelan ruso. Lo sigo manteniendo y te puedo poner incontables ejemplos basados o no en estadÃÂ*sticas. Se ha dado esa casualidad en Espaņa /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:48 PM
I think Zen_Fighter is just bored today...



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 03:51 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Not true. VEF and other online wars are not an
- indicator of skills, at least to me. I`v met some
- pretty darn good british, american, french guys that
- can fly like you wont believe. You can tell that i
- am not a big fan of online wars

If you don't live in russia you don't count /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:02 PM
JV44Rall wrote:



- You could host missions and, if you get killed,
- don't report the mission. That way you'll never
- lose points and you Kills/KIA ratio stays high.
- It's against the rules, but I'm sure it's happened.



I flew in a couple of missions with a hot shot Russian pilot and they were never reported. Gaming the game does not make you the best pilot, just the highest scoring.

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 04:04 PM
I am one of the best online pilots, and I'm from California, not Russia.



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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 07:18 PM
Yes just because someone is a stat stuffer in VOW or OKL or whatever the hell else all that stuff is doesn't mean that is an indicator of the overall skill of online pilots.

To find the most skilled pilots you have to get your hands dirty and go meet them in the online dogfights, not that daisy chain simulation crap.

There are good pilots from many different countries that's for sure but I would say 5 out of the top 10 will be American. The extreme top aces (like me) are usually American but there are some dam good foreign sticks out there too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:42 PM
To Gunkan: me parece muy bien que tengas las cosas tan claras, yo las tengo tan claras como tu. Pienso que decir como dijiste la otra vez "los mejores pilotos de internet vuelan aleman" no es mas que una presuncion y punto hecha en un momento de euforia. Por eso no conteste entonces, pero no sigas, por que no tengo ganas de polemicas, alla tu con tus ideas.

Yo solo afirmo que que los buenos pilotos estan en todas parte, como los pilotos medianos y los pilotos malos, y los maleducados y tramposos tambien. No creo que nadie tenga la excusividad de nada. Y en Espaņa hay excellentes pilotos que vuelan aviones rusos, no te pienses que teneis la exclusiva.

Estoy muy de acuerdo con lo que ha escrito JV44Rall, me ha parecido muy razonable.

To ZenFighter: I misunderstood your first post. When you said "Russians" I understood VVS, but following your posts I have noticed that you meant Russian people were the best IL2 pilots, as in VVS planes as in LW planes. Yes there are excellent pilots who fly VVS and excellent pilots flying OKL planes, in fact some squads have changed sides in VEF1/VEF2/VOW, so you can find them flying both. Another data: in VOW stats, there are as much german as russian pilots. Russian has advantage in airkills, german in ground kills. Dos this mean german should go to Jabo units and Russian to fighter units? I dont think so LOL.

Basically I agree with JVRall's post. IMHO skill is spreaded all over the world in the same quantity, and to become a good pilot depends not only in nacionality but in personal skills and specially in other 3 things:

1) Training
2) Training
3) Training

To do this you need specially time, dedication and effort. Time and this is difficult to find now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

I wish I had more time to practice so I would be more than the average-down pilot I consider I am. :-)

Kind regards

XyZspineZyX
08-07-2003, 08:48 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Yes just because someone is a stat stuffer in VOW or
- OKL or whatever the hell else all that stuff is
- doesn't mean that is an indicator of the overall
- skill of online pilots.
-
- To find the most skilled pilots you have to get your
- hands dirty and go meet them in the online
- dogfights, not that daisy chain simulation crap.
-
- There are good pilots from many different countries
- that's for sure but I would say 5 out of the top 10
- will be American. The extreme top aces (like me)
- are usually American but there are some dam good
- foreign sticks out there too.
-


rofl. Yes yes RBJ all those weird ppl playing OKL. (shakes head) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I still wonder if you've been flying online at least once. hehehe. let me guess on UBI with all settings off right?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:03 AM
I have to ask sorry from everyone for this post.
Maybe I was in a bad mood yesterday or just bored as a friend said.
Anyway, that post was so inappropriate and useless.
There can't be this situation that people from one country only being better than the others.
It's just those who practice the most that are the best (besides some "tricky" players who would not let be killed by any other pilot using their warping/lagging abilities!).

Sorry mates /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif (though we got some really interesting replies!)