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Hurricane_320
01-06-2006, 02:08 AM
I would just want to know it from your personal view. Which is the best for a rookie, for an ace, and the positive and negative sides of different planes. As fr example easy stalling, durability, ammuniton, speed and so on. It would just be interesting to hear different views of the subject!

Hurricane_320
01-06-2006, 02:08 AM
I would just want to know it from your personal view. Which is the best for a rookie, for an ace, and the positive and negative sides of different planes. As fr example easy stalling, durability, ammuniton, speed and so on. It would just be interesting to hear different views of the subject!

neural_dream
01-06-2006, 02:11 AM
What you are looking for is too much for a forum thread. Click on my sig's link to get the Complete Aircraft and Cockpit Reference Guide. That will tell you all you need to know.

Hurricane_320
01-06-2006, 02:17 AM
Geez, that was fast! Thanks!

robban75
01-06-2006, 03:46 AM
My personal opinion is that the best plane for a rookie, is a plane that can turn well, especially a low speeds. A plane that turns well will give the rookie a better chance to keep the target in front of him, and also increase the chances of destroying the target.

Planes in this category consists of..

Spitfire
Yak
La
Bf 109
Hurricane
Any bi-plane
Ki-84
Zero
Corsair
Hellcat
Wildcat


The more experienced player can chose whatever he likes. But I think that a fast plane with lots of firepower would be the best choice. Especially if he decides to fly in a team.

Planes in this category would be the..

Fw 190
P-51
P-47
P-63

And again, this is just my opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
01-06-2006, 04:12 AM
I'd disagree about the Hellcat and Corsair being rookie freindly. While there easy to fly, the both need constant trimming, against there natural enemy, the IJN and IJA planes they need fairly complex air combat manouvers to beat them (they just can't turn and turn etc) or at least sound BnZ/energy fighting tactics. The Hellcat needs a great deal of attention to energy managment due to its poor acceleration and very low top speed for a late war fighter.

Rookie planes:
Spitfire VB
Hurricanes
Early Zero's
Ki43
Laggs
Yak1

Why? There all easy to control, take off and land.

Ace planes:
FW190's
P51's
P47's
Spitfires
BF109's
Corsair

Why?
Badly flown there all very easy to kill (or more likely watch at the pilot stalls out and kills himself) but well flown they can all be totally untouchable.

Any plane can be an 'ace' plane though in the right context with the right pilot.

Kuna15
01-06-2006, 04:52 AM
Depends on who is on the other side. If there are server full of inexperienced players the most manouverable fighter with decent climb ability will win.

Now if you have room with experienced players speed will win.

In reality you will hardly found some room full of rookie players so you got to be prepared on a lot "learning on harder way".

My list of best 5 planes (it used to be; I didn't tested it in 402 properly) -- 1 vs 1 both experienced players:

1.Bf-109K
2.Spitfire MK8/MK9
3.FW-190D/TA-152
4.Yak-9U/UT (IMO used to be better in 401 but like I said below I didn't tested it properly yet)
5.LA-7

List is made of most common planes, it of course does not include jet planes or some very rare/prototypes like I-185 or Bf-109Z.
For me best plane is the one with better speed and better climb. Everything else is cannon fodder for experienced players.

For you @ Hurricane_320 it is best to use LA-7 for a start if you want to be competitive to most players. With your progress you will find out better way to exploit specific aircraft advantages and mask disadvantages.

Badsight.
01-06-2006, 05:40 AM
it would be the Spitfire Mk14

if we ever get it . . . . .

BaldieJr
01-06-2006, 06:25 AM
Mustang. Pony. The P-51D.

Its the plane heros flew.

ploughman
01-06-2006, 02:12 PM
Me-2SEX2

Bremspropeller
01-06-2006, 02:18 PM
F-4 Phantom II

kix azz

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Flakwalker
01-06-2006, 02:29 PM
I noticed you didnt put jet and rocket fighters on Experienced pilot choice.

SeaNorris
01-06-2006, 02:33 PM
IL-2 of course.

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Siwarrior
01-06-2006, 02:38 PM
P-40 takes the cake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Unless you come up against a La7...........................different matter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

zoomar
01-06-2006, 03:04 PM
I generally favor low-speed manuverable planes over boom and zoom planes. They are much more forgiving if one instinctively yanks the stick back for a tigher turn and, if you are flying with the cockpit on, it is easier to line up behind and get a sustained burst at an enemy in a turning fight than trying to hit him with a deflection shot - which is more for diving attacks. On most servers there will always be people who try to engage in turn fights. The best players probably do use high performance and less forgiving boom and zoom planes and I'dd probably get shot down by them anyway, so I generally like to hang at really low altitude and wait for people to come dowm there. I'd also choose a plane with some cannon armament. Two or three stray hits from a 20 or 30 mm cannon can make up for for a lot of inaccuracy. I avoid almost all US places because the 50cals seem weak and demand a lot of hits on most enemies unless you get lucky. Online, my favorite plane are usually Spitfires, most Japanese fighters, the I-153, some Bf109s, and larger nose-cannon armed Yaks. Personally, I'd much rather get shot down than spin out in a **** murderous Fw190A.

LStarosta
01-06-2006, 03:06 PM
Any plane I am in.

FoolTrottel
01-06-2006, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaNorris:
IL-2 of course.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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DIRTY-MAC
01-06-2006, 06:04 PM
La-5FN its extreemly forgiving and still very competitive to late war planes

Xiolablu3
01-06-2006, 06:29 PM
If you are learning try the Spitfire 8 or 9. It was well known as being great for novice pilots in real life too.

Me109 is also a good novice plane in the game, La5's maybe too.

Come and fly on UKdedicated, its a friendly server and I will help you get started and give you some tips. My name on there is Xiola, if you do come on just say hi and tell me who you are, Ill help ya no worries.

gotha_g.IV
01-06-2006, 06:40 PM
The fokker G1

LStarosta
01-06-2006, 07:13 PM
Bf109Z

danjama
01-06-2006, 07:46 PM
Boeing 747, bu only if FW190 is unavailable

reverendkrv1972
01-06-2006, 08:26 PM
you can't categorise them that way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

you cant put a ki43 in a 'n00b' plane bracket,it's more challenging to fly than something fast,which you can run away from trouble in...yet if someones flying a fast plane in a turn-fight with ki43...it's dead.

horses for courses isn't it?

as was said in another thread 'every fighter aircraft has been 'the best' at some point in conflict' (or words to that effect)

it's all down to personal taste & how the individual wishes to fly?

and what the said aircraft is going to be used for.

Tigermoth is a great novices plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Harvard too.

surely a great fighter would be 'easy' to fly,take a good amount of punishment & be competent against a varied amount of opponents?

'Hurricane'

once you know how to fly certain planes the way they should be flown,you then know what you're doing.

personally I like 'dancing'...BnZ for me is too safe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

thats not to say I don't/Can't do it if/when I wish too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm stopping now,I'm too drunk & rambling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

regards,

Rev

gotha_g.IV
01-06-2006, 08:30 PM
The gotha g.IV. ****, if there would be a game with the gotha g.IV i would buy it without hesitation. Even the game were ****! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

gotha_g.IV
01-06-2006, 08:31 PM
Fecking sensor!

Lucius_Esox
01-07-2006, 01:19 AM
Loads say the Spit is a noob plane.. Try it online on a server like Warclouds, it aint!

Urban myth.

BigganD
01-07-2006, 08:55 AM
Noob plane list

1. Spit (all of them)
2. Bf109 G2 (wanna be ace)
3. La7
4. Yak3
5. P63
6. Ta-152
7. D9 (wanna be ace)

ploughman
01-07-2006, 01:11 PM
Spit n00b.

http://www.airsupply.co.uk/img/pics/JEJ.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-07-2006, 01:15 PM
Don't make me come in there and educate you all.

ploughman
01-07-2006, 01:22 PM
I had a dream about your 'bus' the other night LFII. Me and the missus got on it and were held up by lesbian banditos near San Diego, CA. Right peculiar that was, I blame it on the camembert.

I'm glad all I have to worry about now is Blakey.

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-07-2006, 01:25 PM
It'll be back one fine day....when everyone's least suspecting it. Oh, yes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Hurricane_320
01-07-2006, 02:10 PM
Thanks for all your replies! So far the best fighter for me has been the La-5 or La-7. However i mostly choose a Me-163, blow the flak of the enemy airfield, and start vulching.

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But fighter, definately the La-5/7

danjama
01-07-2006, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigganD:
Noob plane list

1. Spit (all of them)
2. Bf109 G2 (wanna be ace)
3. La7
4. Yak3
5. P63
6. Ta-152
7. D9 (wanna be ace) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How the hell can u put the spit on top of the La7, Yak3 and G2???? Your a Pr1ck!

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-07-2006, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigganD:
Noob plane list

1. Spit (all of them)
2. Bf109 G2 (wanna be ace)
3. La7
4. Yak3
5. P63
6. Ta-152
7. D9 (wanna be ace) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How the hell can u put the spit on top of the La7, Yak3 and G2???? Your a Pr1ck! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would refer the honourable gentleman to his own sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Lucius_Esox
01-07-2006, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Noob plane list

1. Spit (all of them)
2. Bf109 G2 (wanna be ace)
3. La7
4. Yak3
5. P63
6. Ta-152
7. D9 (wanna be ace)

"Thunderbolt, FW190 the WW2 butchers"

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh your so right,,, I bow down to your obvious in depth knowledge about this sim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

JG5_UnKle
01-08-2006, 05:23 AM
La7 B20 - be sure.

Super fast, turns well great firepower with flat trajectory cannons. Also very easy to fly and handle.

IMHO of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
01-08-2006, 11:28 AM
'Noob Plane' is a saying reserved for self titled 'Aces' when they get shot down by a person who is not as experienced as them. (ususally when tey underestimate them)

It is used to try and make everyone think it was the plane and not the pilot which shot them down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I would suggest anyone who needs to use the term 'noob plane' is not as good as they actually think.

BigganD
01-08-2006, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
'Noob Plane' is a saying reserved for self titled 'Aces' when they get shot down by a person who is not as experienced as them. (ususally when tey underestimate them)

It is used to try and make everyone think it was the plane and not the pilot which shot them down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I would suggest anyone who needs to use the term 'noob plane' is not as good as they actually think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahh.. a spit flyier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BigganD
01-08-2006, 12:03 PM
By the way I use lame as the right word for does who play with spits, why I did use the word noob.. its because it is so common.
And there are no ACES in this game, this game cant make some one to an ace (olegs words)

ploughman
01-08-2006, 12:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigganD:
By the way I use lame as the right word for does who play with spits, why I did use the word noob.. its because it is so common.
And there are no ACES in this game, this game cant make some one to an ace (olegs words) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good for you.

Lucius_Esox
01-08-2006, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">ahh.. a spit flyier </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhaaa,, a 190 driver http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Badsight.
01-08-2006, 07:11 PM
its true - the Mk14 Spitfire would own them all from the deck to the ceiling

if it was in FB that is . . . . . .

Hurricane_320
01-09-2006, 05:42 AM
I tried a new aircraft today, and it totally kicks the *** of the other aircraft in IL2! Can you guess what it is, and which variant?

Hints:
It's very fast, extremely manouvreable, quite durable and has a heavy armament. It is not a jet, and it is a Russian aircraft.

robban75
01-09-2006, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hurricane_320:
I tried a new aircraft today, and it totally kicks the *** of the other aircraft in IL2! Can you guess what it is, and which variant?

Hints:
It's very fast, extremely manouvreable, quite durable and has a heavy armament. It is not a jet, and it is a Russian aircraft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I-185?

WOLFMondo
01-09-2006, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hurricane_320:
I tried a new aircraft today, and it totally kicks the *** of the other aircraft in IL2! Can you guess what it is, and which variant?

Hints:
It's very fast, extremely manouvreable, quite durable and has a heavy armament. It is not a jet, and it is a Russian aircraft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try a 700kph dive, that will wipe the smile from your face :P

p1ngu666
01-09-2006, 07:49 AM
tbh, i find spits a fairly challenging ride, lots of torque, its unstable, the mgs can shake the plane all over the place too. gunnery is the biggest challange tho, i spend longer on the 6 of the enemy tryin to line up a shot than any other aircraft.

its true alot of n00bs fly them, and with good reason, spitfire was and is famously easy to fly, and its iconic.

dunno why they just dont fly 190s tbh, on no cockpit view stuff it does really well. just put nose in front of enemy (easy now) and fire, plane flys thru and 70% chance he dies.

OldMan____
01-09-2006, 07:55 AM
FW190 will never be considered a noob plane because maneuvering with it is not instinctive. You cannot just pull joystick and do a complte loop.. you would stall or flip. You need a much more refined set of moves to make it go where you want.

Spit, specially before 4.0 was increadbly easy to make it point anywhere in any situation, so it was very hard to make something stupid in a spitfire.

Now it is a little bit harder, but not enough to be called one of the hardest one sto fly with.

p1ngu666
01-09-2006, 08:07 AM
yeah i agree with that, before i hardly flew teh spit, but now im making coops with it in because its more of a challange to fly. its harder to fly acuratly tho, which makes gunnery hard.

bnz isnt as instinctive as the tnb style fighting tho

Doug_Thompson
01-09-2006, 08:09 AM
Well, considering that marksmanship takes practice, and a noob by definition lacks practice ---- pick a high-performance plane with cannons, or an American plane with absurd amounts of MG ammo.

A Spit with cannons would do nicely.

p1ngu666
01-09-2006, 08:19 AM
i find it much harder to get on target with spit

a la7 is perhaps a better choice, much as i dislike its uberness...

Kuna15
01-09-2006, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i find it much harder to get on target with spit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

100% agree. In fact I find Spitfire to be one of the toughest in late war gunnery dept (.50cals too).
ShVAK and MG151 are user friendly cannons IMO.

Doug_Thompson
01-09-2006, 08:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i find it much harder to get on target with spit

a la7 is perhaps a better choice, much as i dislike its uberness... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand corrected.

I never have trouble getting on target with a La.

bolillo_loco
01-09-2006, 09:06 AM
While this game has changed dramatically since I came here, I find it funny how people do not consider the Fw-190 series and Bf-109 series "noob planes." I came here under 1.2 something patch of the original "Forgotten Battles" game. Since 4.02m has taken away the prop-pitch, I'm not sure how effective the Bf-109 is.

Back to my main point, I came here brand new. I used all the "popular noob" planes for my first month of online game play. I had no problem shooting down others that were in "popular noob" planes, but I found great difficulty in catching Bf-109 and Fw-190 series aircraft. I could never manage more than two or three kills per "noob plane." Since I was watching all my online friends score five to nine kills per Fw-190, I decided to give it a try. No experience in this aircraft and I only had a month of game play under my belt, but I had no difficulty in scoring just like my online friends did.

I don't see a lot of "WWI era turny burny dog fights," online so wouldn't you consider fast aircraft with big cannons capable of killing with one hit a noob plane?

When given a choice, I use German aircraft, why? Because they are easier to use. After all I am a noob and proud of it. It matters little if it's "full real" or "arcade" I do play both and play exactly the same in both style servers.

To the topic starter, if you want to get a lot of kills, use German aircraft and only attack when you have an advantage. If you lose your advantage, dive away and use your German aircrafts superior rate of dive and level speed to escape a bad situation. Try doing that with the typical "noob planes" labled Ki-84, La-7, Yak 3P, and any model Spitfire (except the Mk VIII at high altitude).

robban75
01-09-2006, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
use German aircraft and only attack when you have an advantage. If you lose your advantage, dive away and use your German aircrafts superior rate of dive and level speed to escape a bad situation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only do this when fighting VVS birds. If you're flying a Fw 190A against P-51's, P-38's or P-63's and perhaps even P-47 and P-39, don't even think about diving or climbing. It's a losing game, for they will catch you. Diving away in the 109 is ok though, as it has advantages, especially the G-10 and K-4.