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Master-Marksman
11-13-2004, 07:53 PM
I'm sorry about this. I know another plane request. But I was just thinking that this would be a great plane to fly. Just barely missed the PTO. As I remember they were on a carrier towards Japan when the armistice was signed.

BlitzPig_DDT
11-13-2004, 08:09 PM
We can only hope. But so many people here are afraid of it (some try to hide their fear in counters for other planes, but still.....), that I wouldn't hold my breath.

In fairness, there are a few that would be nice to have to flesh things out a bit in the early and mid war set. But......it would be nice to have a counter for the Ki-84C and the upcoming Ki-100. But.....since it's an American "super plane", there will be a lot of fighting against it's inclusion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

fordfan25
11-13-2004, 09:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
We can only hope. But so many people here are afraid of it (some try to hide their fear in counters for other planes, but still.....), that I wouldn't hold my breath.

In fairness, there are a few that would be nice to have to flesh things out a bit in the early and mid war set. But......it would be nice to have a counter for the Ki-84C and the upcoming Ki-100. But.....since it's an American "super plane", there will be a lot of fighting against it's inclusion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

agreed. just like the f4u-4. alot of people have said that it would unbalnce the game. that may be true of a stand alone pf but fb+aep+pf then its up aginst some 1945 ussr and ger planes. the bearcat would be alot of fun to fly for sure.also a p47n would be a killer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif lol. I have my douts as to us seeing a bearcat i think luthier said a ways back that there would be no way a bearcat will be in the game but im still hopeing for the f4u-4 wich i believe i have read was faster than the BC as well as the la-7.

AlmightyTallest
11-13-2004, 09:38 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a bearcat, but personally I'd rather see an F2G Corsair, the anti-kamikazi plane that only got into the Pacific theatre just before the final days.

Come to think of it, I wonder if there were any sorties with F2G's before the war ended. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But from what I hear, the only difference between the F2G and an F4U-4 was that the F2G had a higher rate of climb for intercept missions.

I would love to see the F4U-4 series Corsairs though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html

From above:

Chance Vought's F4U-4 came about as a development of the F4U-4XA, which was first flown in early April 1944. It was fitted with an up-rated Pratt & Whitney R2800-18W or -42W engine. This powerplant developed 2,450 bhp with water injection. It was also fitted with a four blade hydromatic propeller which provided the necessary efficiency to utilize the greater power. The carburetor inlet was moved from the wing root leading edge to a duct located under the engine. The exhaust stacks had to be re-routed as a result. Armament remained the same as the F4U-1, with six .50 caliber Browning MGs. The limited production F4U-4B was armed with four M3 20mm cannon. Under-wing load capability was substantial. Up to three 1,000 lb. bombs along with eight 5 inch rockets could be carried. Reportedly, it was not unusual to rig the F4U-4 with as much as 6,000 lbs of ordnance. Apparently the robust structure of the Corsair could bear these loads without undue wear and tear on the airframe. Almost certainly, such overloaded Corsairs did not operate from carrier decks, but exclusively from shore bases.

The 4 20mm cannon F4U-4B would be my personal likely choice to include in PF as well as the other models. I imagine It would be easier to tweak the flight models and make minor cosmetic changes to the F4U-1's in PF to make them into F4U-4's in performance and looks. The above site has other interesting info as well.

fordfan25
11-13-2004, 09:53 PM
thats what i was thinking most of the moddle is already there. should not be as bad as makeing a whole new plane from scratch. would be nice for a not to far off patch or pay add-on. thayu could release it like say yesterday http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
11-13-2004, 10:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
We can only hope. But so many people here are afraid of it (some try to hide their fear in counters for other planes, but still.....), that I wouldn't hold my breath.

In fairness, there are a few that would be nice to have to flesh things out a bit in the early and mid war set. But......it would be nice to have a counter for the Ki-84C and the upcoming Ki-100. But.....since it's an American "super plane", there will be a lot of fighting against it's inclusion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me first say that I'd love to see the Bearcat. Fantastic little fighter!

My main point: The Ki-100 is just going to be able to compete with the F6F...and while the Ki-84 is definately better than the F6F in most respects it doesn't matter what the IJA or IJN have if you introduce the Bearcat...its better than all of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The rough equals:
Hellcat = Ki-100 in my book
Corsair/Mustang = Ki-84 in my book
Bearcat = Total ownage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Except firepower...its kinda wussy there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
11-13-2004, 11:58 PM
The Corasir and Mustang can't climb anything like the Ki-84. That thing is a monster. It's all but unbeatable without circumstances being "just right" (or using a Jet or a Yak3. lol).

People that claim the Corsair is it's equal, or even better than it, must be playing a different game than me. And I am certainly familiar with E tactics. In fact, I prefer flying that way. Just can't touch that Ki. Part of the problem is that you can't go fast enough to get away from it in a zoom. You break up before that.

And people here have said that the Ki-100 was possibly the best Japanese fighter ever. Not that I would know. But if it's better than the 84...... erk.

Therefore, at *least* the -4 Corsair should be added (even though I'm sick of that stupidly over popular, over hyped, hose nosed ensign eliminator), but really, give us the Bearcat. We just wanna have fun. And the best way to do that is in the ultimate prop. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

And yes, it would be total ownage. Even over the Yak3 and La7. I'm hoping that is not the reason to exclude it, but, I'm concerned....

On the flip side, there are axis jets, and they could mop it up, for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (hey, maybe it would be enough of an excuse to give us the Yak15. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

pcpilot_MGG
11-13-2004, 11:58 PM
4 X 20MM's are wussy???!!?? You go stand in front of them then... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif jk


Would personally LOVE to see the Bearcat. If its such an butt kicker, then dont allow it on the servers. But it would still be fun to fly SP or coop.

Mozzie_21
11-14-2004, 03:16 AM
A Sea Fury would also be very cool, as would a CAC-15 Kangaroo.

VVS-Manuc
11-14-2004, 04:32 AM
there are a lot of important planes missing, which served during WW2 in reality and you are crying for more after war superduper planes?

FF_Trozaka
11-14-2004, 05:26 AM
I agree with Manuc, if it didn't see combat, there are a whole bunch of planes that should be included first.
S!

jensenpark
11-14-2004, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mozzie_21:
A Sea Fury would also be very cool, as would a CAC-15 Kangaroo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Finally, someone makes a intelligent choice for late '45 planes! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
SeaFury is without doubt the most beautiful prop-driven killer out there.

p1ngu666
11-14-2004, 07:09 AM
erm u dont really NEED a -4, its already better than all the japanese stuff, 84 i dunno

id rather have a hornet of a f7f http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
11-14-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pcpilot_MGG:
4 X 20MM's are wussy???!!?? You go stand in front of them then... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif jk


Would personally LOVE to see the Bearcat. If its such an butt kicker, then dont allow it on the servers. But it would still be fun to fly SP or coop. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bearcats were never equipped with 4x20mm until 1947. Roughly two years after the war was over.

The initial Bearcats that were shipped to the Pacific and the ones that served in the immediate post war world were equipped with 4 .50 cal machine guns. It was felt that they were saving weight by using only 4 and that the Japanese planes they were going against weren't strong enough to warrant a cannon armament.

The Ki-84 isn't nearly as scarry as it used to be. Its snap roll only exists at 300 kph IAS, everywhere else its slower. The fuel tanks light on fire fairly easy now so if you get a good wing root hit she's aflame. The elevators seem to get blown off fairly quickly. Ammo load is low. Turn rate isn't what it used to be except in high speed manuvers.

So its not quite the same as AEP 2.0.

The Corsair seems to be able to turn or nearly turn with the Frank. The Corsair has better firepower (either the cannons or machine guns) with more duration of firing. The Corsair does dive a little better (not much, the Frank likes high speed too). The Frank maybe has a better climb rate and a better power to weight ratio but thats debatable (the Corsair is rocking in these areas too it seems).

And then if you compair the Ki-100, you have something else.

The Ki-100 is slower than the Frank, turns better (or should), has roughly equal firepower (to the Ki-84a), probably rolls slower, climbs slower, and can sustain roughly the same ammount of damage. So if you want to talk about ultimate fighters...the Ki-84 is better than the Ki-100 in most respects. We'll see if thats the case in game...and I may have left something out somewhere but the research I have done suggests that the Ki-100 is not going to tip any scales.

I believe the useage of the term of "best fighter of the war" comes from the concept that the Ki-100 was perhaps the most reliable fighter that the Japanese had during the 1945 bombing campaigns (the Frank had lots of teething problems) and it still had fairly decent performance considering. So thats why I bet its the way it is...

SlickStick
11-14-2004, 10:32 AM
"Is there a Bearcat in our future?"

Get out of line on the forums and you'll see a Bearcat alright. A Bearcat99. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm for all planes that ever flew in WWII to be included. The more the merrier. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
11-14-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
"Is there a Bearcat in our future?"

Get out of line on the forums and you'll see a Bearcat alright. A Bearcat99. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm for all planes that ever flew in WWII to be included. The more the merrier. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

uh...Bearcat was never operational, Stick. Just like the Skyraider and the GM Eagle. It's not a WWII fighter. In fact, it never saw cambat with US forces, ever

Am I the only one who wants the planes that didn't see a speck of combat removed from FB/PF?

I don't want the Beacat in FB/PF. great plane. I also like the Tigercat. But they didn't see combat. i want neither in PF/FB

A lot of planes flew during WWII, and some that flew saw service with the military. Of that group, not all were a facter in the war at all. The F8F was not a factor in WWII. How could it be?

fordfan25
11-14-2004, 11:27 AM
bearcat maby maby not. just depends on how you look at it. i how ever see no resone not to include the -4 sair and even the p-47n. like i said in a stand alon PF the -1 and hellcat are pleanty but when a US flyer goes online and every one and his mother is flying the yak-3 line and LA-7s then the argument for the late war US planes to match the late war ussr and ger planes becomes quit strong. and the fact that as far as moddleing goes it should not take to much to get them in seeing as thay are almost the same as there younger versions. just the flight moddle whould need to be tweaked. just my thoughts.

SlickStick
11-14-2004, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
"Is there a Bearcat in our future?"

Get out of line on the forums and you'll see a Bearcat alright. A Bearcat99. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm for all planes that ever flew in WWII to be included. The more the merrier. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

uh...Bearcat was never operational, Stick. Just like the Skyraider and the GM Eagle. It's not a WWII fighter. In fact, it never saw cambat with US forces, ever

Am I the only one who wants the planes that didn't see a speck of combat _removed_ from FB/PF?

I don't want the Beacat in FB/PF. great plane. I also like the Tigercat. But they didn't see combat. i want neither in PF/FB

A lot of planes flew during WWII, and some that flew saw service with the military. Of that group, not all were a facter in the war at all. The F8F was not a factor in WWII. How could it be? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"I'm for all planes that ever flew in WWII to be included." I stand by my statement. If it didn't fly in WWII, then it's not part of my statement now, is it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
11-14-2004, 11:34 AM
That's up to you, Stick.

The P-80 and Bf109Z rankle me. That's why I choose not to use them.

Like I said, I might be alone with wanting planes that didn't see combat out

BlitzPig_DDT
11-14-2004, 12:04 PM
I wish you were alone Chuck.

See Marksman? I told you they'd come out. lol Plane hating sim commies that want everyone to be stuck to the same boring plane set with no choices (that they just "happen" to like, go figure, eh?).

Chuck, I'm sure you are interested in "historical accuracy", right? That's great. I hold nothing against you for that. But you can do that with the planes you have. Letting people who want to have fun and don't hold any illusions about "historical accuracy", get a new toy won't hurt you. It won't hurt anybody except those who are afraid to fly against it or simply hate the idea of US plane fans (and in some cases, LW plane fans) from getting what they want.

Look, I'm a *huge* 109 fan. It's my 3rd favorite conventional prop fighter of the war. But I'd give up the G-14 and 10, and K4, and some, or even all, of the Emils (which is my favorite of the 109s) for a Do-335, or a Tigercat, or a Bearcat. Why? Because those planes (the Grummans in particular) are almost always forgotten about and are never in any good sims. The Pfeil was in the original SWOTL, and in it's day it was good, but that was the early 90s, so really, in absolute terms, it wasn't good. All the other planes have been frickin' done to DEATH a zillion times over, or, are so slow and weak that they are boring as hell unless the map is 10meters x 10meters (so you don't have to waste half your **** life flying to the target area since there's no time compression online).

Also, I'd like to address the misnomer of "historical accuracy". If you want historical accuracy, read a book or watch a documentary. The INSTANT you take the controls of something, no matter *how* accurate the battle is configured, YOU are a wild card that is NOT historically accurate. And you *will* ensure that it will *not* play out in an historically accurate way. Maybe more, maybe less, but it will never truly match. (not to mention that AI is no real approximation of the real people that were involved)

I think you guys in that mind set really need to give it up. Or....at least just back off and let the rest of us have fun.

Gimme a Yak15 over a Mossie any day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

fordfan25
11-14-2004, 12:40 PM
im still waiting for my beloved airwolf. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stiglr
11-14-2004, 12:41 PM
Another great example of a plane that should NOT be in the planeset.

It simply saw no service in WWII.

Great plane, though. Saw one fly at Chino and was amazed at the surplus power it seemed to have, even over the F6F that was flying beside it. It looked scary-powerful.

But, that's no excuse to be tooling around in it in a sim. If you can't score with a Hellcat, you need to work on your flying instead of looking for some new ueberplane to "give" you l33T sKLlZ.

Snootles
11-14-2004, 12:42 PM
There are a lot of operational WWII planes to be done before extended-war planes are considered. Once the important historical vehicles are added, I would love to see a campaign extending thru 1946. A7M Reppu, Bearcat, Tigercat, Twin Mustang, Lincoln, etc.

CaptJodan
11-14-2004, 12:47 PM
I'd really love to see the Bearcat in game. There's a host of reasons, but mostly because it's a Grumman. (And I hate Grumman, but for some reason since PF has come out I'm beginning to love them) It's for sure a high wish for me, though I don't hold much hope.

Having said that, I'd prefer to see the torpedo bombers from both sides in first. It just pains me not to see those. Also, I wouldn't mind if the Helldiver was in, though somehow I get the feeling that's even more unlikely than the Bearcat. Clearly there are a host of aircraft, specifically for the Japanese side, that's missing. (and I mean early war stuff, not Ki-100 super planes.)

Bearcat, Tigercat, Black Widow (for awesome night missions) are definately some late war US aircraft I'd like to see. (obviously the tigercat is a cold day in you know where, but we can dream)

I respect those who don't like these late war AC that never saw action, but the way I see it precident has already been set with the P-80, 109Z, et al. I don't see what's wrong with going on with this once the MAJOR AC of the main war is covered. (and a decent pethora of battleships for both sides for godsake, they make good, hard, targets.)

Mjollnir111675
11-14-2004, 12:59 PM
@fordfan:

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LMAO!!Are you aka String Fellow or Jean Michel Vincent

Mjollnir

fordfan25
11-14-2004, 01:57 PM
string Fellow Hawk all the way YO. right down to the squinty eyes lol.

ya gotta admit that was one awsome ride. i can still remember the sound it made. you wanna talk about downing some 109s lol.wasnt the body based off a real milatary choper that the brits used. a linx i think?

Mjollnir111675
11-14-2004, 02:11 PM
I thought it was a civilian chopper. Wasnt it?I see them well,used to,all the time in the city when we used to live on the island.And I've seen them on tv and in movies as more of an executives helo.Sorta Leer-helo.Not sure if it was ever employed with any military.Maybe like Crapslapistan or someplace!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif But other than that I wouldn't know.But there you have your airwolf modeled.But not sure if you can run compatibility for that one!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Korolov
11-14-2004, 02:13 PM
I don't know what's worse, the fact that DDT died flying a Ki-84, or the fact that I had a Ki-84 pound me at high altitude in my Hellcat and was still able to shoot him down.

F6F = uber Ki-84 killer

ElAurens
11-14-2004, 02:19 PM
The P40 can out turn the Frank.

I would like to see the F8F and Reppu etc...but only after we get flyable torpedo bombers for both sides. Not to mention a host of other needed aircraft that actually flew in WW2, and not after.
There are some glaring ommissions that need to be addressed before the 1946 aircraft get in. Then fine, lets fly the late props, but not before.

And I'm not a "sim commie", thank you very much.

Chuck_Older
11-14-2004, 02:29 PM
DDT-

I'm unsure how to reply...Historical accuracy needs to apply somewhere in a WWII sim, doesn't it?

Or am I wrong on that point?

I also can't understand this in reponse to me:

"I think you guys in that mind set really need to give it up. Or....at least just back off and let the rest of us have fun."

I'm stopping you from having fun now? Excuse me, but how? By replying to a post on whether or not the F8F should be in a sim? That's insane. And now you can play the sim the way you want, but I should "give it up" and play...the way you want? That's also a nutty idea. I'm not stopping anyone from playing the way they want. I gave my opinion, and it's not your job to like it. I'm not looking for converts the the Extremist Historical Accuracy Enclave.

But by the same token, don't you tell me how *I* should want the sim, just because *YOU* want it another way. If it's wrong for me to say how it should be, it should be wrong for you to say that, too.

Your notion of my playing is destroying historical accuracy anyway is...irrefutable. It's logic that cannot be assailed, mostly because it's also logic that cannot be defended. You can't back that up with "I feel that.." anymore than I can counter with "I feel that.."

You seem to have an issue with something or somebody else, and you're targetting me to respond to..which is not something I appreciate.

You'll be happy to note I don't get to decide what planes get in the sim...but are you sure you're showing your teeth to the right guy, here? All I did was say "It didn't fight in the war", which is 100% true, and give my opinion: no planes that didn't see combat. If that is a problem for you...I can't help you, and you also can't ask me to take away my opinion and "back off". You're having a bad day or something, but I'm not your problem, here

VFA-195 Snacky
11-14-2004, 03:38 PM
It actually did see service before the end of WWII, but did not see combat.

Explain why the 109Z is in this sim then. I'm curious to hear why the 109Z deserves to be in this sim and not aircraft like the Tigercat and Bearcat.

Personally i would much rather see aircraft like the P38 get more work before adding anything new, but there is no reason why the Bearcat should not be in this sim when you have fantasy planes like the ME109Z flying around.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Another great example of a plane that should NOT be in the planeset.

It simply saw no service in WWII.

Great plane, though. Saw one fly at Chino and was amazed at the surplus power it seemed to have, even over the F6F that was flying beside it. It looked scary-powerful.

But, that's no excuse to be tooling around in it in a sim. If you can't score with a Hellcat, you need to work on your flying instead of looking for some new ueberplane to "give" you l33T sKLlZ. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

fordfan25
11-14-2004, 04:04 PM
i was thinking the same thing but who knows.maby if some 3rd party could work something out with 1c like gibb did for the p38 we might get lucky.even if we dont see the BC it is still a great game and im thankfull to luthier and company for bringing us PF. all though a f4u-4 and the avgenger would be nice "hint" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Korolov
11-14-2004, 04:06 PM
I believe if someone did the model for a Bearcat, they'd probably put it into the game. Despite whether or not they've said no to it, it's unlikely they'd waste the work that went into the model.

huggy87
11-14-2004, 04:15 PM
There is some middle ground here. You can have historical accuracy in a server, or have a free-for-all.

I am a historical accuracy nut. Even to the point where I ruin movies for friends and family. I also enjoy the what-if historical scenarios. Does anyone remember aces of the pacific? The 46' add on with the bearcat, tigercat, ki-102, the jets, and others were a lot of fun.

rugame
11-14-2004, 04:32 PM
I am all for choice

If a plane is there I will fly, combat service or not.

If online then the server can make the choice, but I dont think a plane should be canned just becasue it did not see combat.

I would like to see a continuation of the 46 theme that the luftwaffe has going for the Japs and Yanks and brits and...

Snootles
11-14-2004, 04:42 PM
I would too, but not at the expense of historically important types. There are a LOT of planes (especially Japanese) still missing from PF, even as AI.

A.K.Davis
11-14-2004, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
Explain why the 109Z is in this sim then. I'm curious to hear why the 109Z deserves to be in this sim and not aircraft like the Tigercat and Bearcat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because Harti decided to take the in-game G6 and cobble two of them together, and was willing to make the cockpit changes that were necessary as well. All on his own time. It amused him, so he made it. I think it's silly, but that's just me, and I can't make 3-D models.

So how is your Bearcat model coming along?

p1ngu666
11-14-2004, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Another great example of a plane that should NOT be in the planeset.

It simply saw no service in WWII.

Great plane, though. Saw one fly at Chino and was amazed at the surplus power it seemed to have, even over the F6F that was flying beside it. It looked scary-powerful.

But, that's no excuse to be tooling around in it in a sim. If you can't score with a Hellcat, you need to work on your flying instead of looking for some new ueberplane to "give" you l33T sKLlZ. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

profile thingy i read said it had 50mph over f6f, and 2x the rate of climb..

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-14-2004, 06:24 PM
I would love to see a F4U4, Bearcat and ofcoarse the P-47N. But you all must know that if these planes were to make in someday and properly modeled then they would be banned for sure from most servers. Heck some even ban the F4U-1C already. Kinda of lame seeing how US flyers have been flying with mgs for a couple of years and it was ok to have uber 190A9s loaded with wing mounted MK108s (which didnt effect its performance). Even the Russian planes with the uber mgs and 20mm that can land and do damage beyond 800meters. US pilots finaly get a good plane with the ability to drop an enemy with one pass and its being removed. So as much as I would like to see the planes mentioned I would say plan on hosting your own server if you would wish to fly them online.

=S=

CaptJodan
11-14-2004, 07:30 PM
As a poor 56ker here, I don't do much flying online, so I really don't have a concern for Bearcats taking over the world. (and as has been said, just ban them) I would enjoy them simply for the variety of craft included.

It's interesting the different opinions on the boards for different AC. Some believe the US late war is getting nerfed by the late war japanese aircraft, while others think the Hellcat and current F4U do the job just fine. (I'm thinking the F4U will be made a bit less effective in the next patch...as if I had any luck with her before as it was, though we'll see)

To me, it really is about the choice. One can choose to ban the Bearcat and all non-war AC from a server, but also allow the choice of others to fly her, for those who accept the AC, or, more important for my little closed off life, to fly her offline.

I would like a few more targets....I mean japanese planes to go after though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I completely understand those who want more historical AC in first...but save for late war AC on the US side, most of what is missing is japanese AC. (and those dam%ed torpedo bombers as flyables) I can't see why the Bearcat and Black Widow can't get in of most of those are taken care of.

RAAF_Typhoon77
11-14-2004, 10:56 PM
Thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard! Bearcats out peformed early jets! Can you imagine what would happen? It would be Bearcat vs Bearcat the whole freakin time cuz no other plane can stand up to it! It would be goin vertical like the freakin 163 and whos gonna stop it? It'll be AEP/PFs lunar lander what a joke! God! think b4 you post something like that.

WUAF_Badsight
11-14-2004, 11:55 PM
DDT needs a tissue

WUAF_Badsight
11-14-2004, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
it was ok to have uber 190A9s loaded with wing mounted MK108s (which didnt effect its performance <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thats total BS

& Havok knows it

WUAF_Badsight
11-15-2004, 12:01 AM
this plane will never make it into PF

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clippa-ShindenJ7W1backgood.jpg

its as combat tested as the Bearcat was at the end of WW2

for the abusive Yankwhiner DDT : there is a reason these planes wont make it into PF . . . they are fantasy planes

your up against the Games maker , hes the one you have the beef with , hes the one who has said no way to either of these planes. abusing community members just makes you look like a tard

Mozzie_21
11-15-2004, 06:10 AM
There should be a final countdown addon where the USS Nimitz takes on the japanese fleet at Pearl Harbor. Now that would rock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
11-15-2004, 06:25 AM
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BlitzPig_DDT
11-15-2004, 07:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I see at least 2 people in here who haven't changed a bit. Sorry guys, I don't swing that way, but I appreciate the proposition though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd also suggest some Midol as well. You both clearly need it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
11-15-2004, 07:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I see at least 2 people in here who haven't changed a bit. Sorry guys, I don't swing that way, but I appreciate the proposition though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd also suggest some Midol as well. You both clearly need it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you're saying is, it's your way, or the highway. Is that it? You have some problems, I think

BlitzPig_DDT
11-15-2004, 07:37 AM
Relax Chuck, wasn't talking to you. They know who they are.

Guilty conscience? lol You know, you guys (meaning the inherently militant "historic plane set only" guys) are the ones that come out screaming and insulting when someone asks for a plane that doesn't fit your criteria. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
11-15-2004, 08:07 AM
@Badsight: A Shinden! Wow... Got anything more about it? Spec, data, history etc... I would love to know more about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Il2pongo
11-15-2004, 10:42 AM
I cant believe that what ends up in the game is based on such petty nationalism. Or that the US modelers cant step up and make us some of these late war US planes that are needed in the game.

This plane was in service in multi squadron numbers at the end of the war. It is a ww2 plane.

That Madox games doenst have the time to model it is one thing. But to say it doenst belong in the game is just silly.

WUAF_Badsight
11-15-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
So what you're saying is, it's your way, or the highway. Is that it? You have some problems, I think <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thats exactly it Chuck

there was this thread a ways back now & man-o-man is DDT a supremely ******ed Bearcat fan

anything at all that resembles a argument based on historical planes makes your a whiner & anti-american & anally-retentive in DDT's book

not only is he wrong about the Bearcats exclusion but cannot see any point about why it was either except for there being a biased conspiracy against it

hes up against the games maker , who has said "no way" to a Shinden or Kikka or Bearcat making it to PF

& he comes here to the forum & abuses evryone else over it

he needs a tissue is all

WUAF_Badsight
11-15-2004, 03:17 PM
i mean id love to have this plane in PF

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/clippa-Bearcat_goodv2.JPG

it was one of the Top Five prop fighters ever

late war performance are fun as to fly , but its been shut off from making it into PF by the head guys of PF's development , its not our fault that this plane or any other late 45 plane wont be in PF , they dont want to see any more fantasy planes added

its a pity this plane has fans like DDT , he really casts a bad shadow over US plane fans in generall

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-15-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
it was ok to have uber 190A9s loaded with wing mounted MK108s (which didnt effect its performance <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thats total BS

& Havok knows it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh n00bsight you cant help to attempt to flame me whenever you get the chance...Funny thing is that you cant even fly the FW190. Stick with your LA7 and KI-84 before you hurt yourself.

And its not BS the FW190A9 with MK108 wing cannons of 2.04 flys the same as if it didnt have them installed...be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
11-15-2004, 04:24 PM
Havok, he's totally beyond talking to. I've seen 3 year olds with more intelligence and capability for debate and discourse. You're not the only one he has a crush on. I guess he just has no other way of showing it. lol

There's little to no hope of him ever improving either. I can only hope that in the mean time, he looks into some Maxi Pads so he can sop up the bleeding. lol

fordfan25
11-15-2004, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Havok, he's totally beyond talking to. I've seen 3 year olds with more intelligence and capability for debate and discourse. You're not the only one he has a crush on. I guess he just has no other way of showing it. lol

There's little to no hope of him ever improving either. I can only hope that in the mean time, he looks into some Maxi Pads so he can sop up the bleeding. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

im not geting into this personal depate but that was funny stuff man. sop up the bleeding hahahahahahahahahah sick on a base Lv but hahaha

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-15-2004, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Havok, he's totally beyond talking to. I've seen 3 year olds with more intelligence and capability for debate and discourse. You're not the only one he has a crush on. I guess he just has no other way of showing it. lol

There's little to no hope of him ever improving either. I can only hope that in the mean time, he looks into some Maxi Pads so he can sop up the bleeding. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean Im not the only one he stalks!?! Just when I started to feel special you have to go and burst my balloon. LOL!

I challenge anyone who would disagree with DDT or myself on the way Badsight responds and acks in the forum to pull up all of his postings. You will find that he contradicts himself often. Never has anything usefull to say. Just his typical 10 word sentence (usually an insult or an opinion based on only the facts he manifest in his immature brain) I believe he has a mission to get to 5000 postings faster then anyone. Maybe he feels the more postings he has the less he looks like a windolicker. IMO ofcoarse.

=S=

JG53Frankyboy
11-15-2004, 05:37 PM
wow, what a bad moodein this post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

well , the most people here i think would call me a "luftwhiner" as a member of a "axis" flying online squad, actually a squad out of germany http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hell, im interested in all sides of WW2 airwarfare and i would much like seeing the F4U-4 (banning F4U-1C from servers is b*u*l*l*s*hit) and the P-47N (unfortunalty there would be no map were they could start AND fight ) in PF ! they belong to set war !

but not the F8F , they saw no combat action.
hopefully Maddox will not do the same mistake as earlier with Bf109Z , Go229 und that other useless stuff ! dont open pandorras box again.
he should say not "YES" to every modell. btw im counting the Do335 in the same category , he should say "NO, thx" !
so much planes are needed , as AI (no japanese Army bombers so far ! )ore flyable (P-36, MS406, J2M3 , N1K1-J still not flyable). but im no 3Dmodeller, cant handle 3Dmax , but Oleg should have a better "control2 of the 3Party stuff.

and about Ki-100 , i realy wouldnt call it a SuperPlane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif its two best points doesnt count in this game:
1.very good reliability in comparison to the other japanese fighters of that time
2. very easy to fly

it has no superweapons, it slower than Ki84. nobody has to fear it. its NO japanese La-7 - much to slow. sure, you shouldnt not go into a closein dogfight against it , than its your mistake http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WUAF_Badsight
11-15-2004, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Havok, he's totally beyond talking to. I've seen 3 year olds with more intelligence and capability for debate and discourse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
this from a person who cannot understand why the Bearcat is excluded from PF

or why it wasnt as important for PF's release as planes that seen combat

i mean that is your position isnt it mr "i find coops boring" DDT

you are the one who wanted the Bearcat at all costs no ?

that it didnt matter wether it flew in WW2 correct ?

just so you got it to DF with youd be happy right ?

i mean id love to see it included into PF now too . . . . . theres no reason to hold it back now , & it totally would kick butt

but DDT . . . you got all hissy just because i didnt agree with you . . . . do i have to go dig up that thread now ? , the one where anyone who wanted to see historical A/C in PF's release instead of never-fought got labelled as anti-american by yourself ? hmmm ?

WUAF_Badsight
11-15-2004, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:


Ahh n00bsight you cant help to attempt to flame me whenever you get the chance <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
prehaps if you didnt lie & posted something that was common sence you wouldnt see me correcting you

i mean if all you got is to try & attack me personally , then what is it that you actually have ? nothing dude

your Yak 3 got shot down repeatedly in FB v1.0 . . . . its good to see you fly stuff that took skill to make kills in , even if it took a patch that made planes stall to do it

Stiglr
11-15-2004, 09:44 PM
Snacky wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Explain why the 109Z is in this sim then. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't belong in here either. Ditto the I-185. Ditto the Bi-1 which started this huge MESS in the first place, by providing a precedent for this "hardly-flew" epidemic.

All these stupid, non-representative pipedream planes should be extracted from the sim and burned. As for the Bearcat, it was pretty much a plane without a war... so, what's it doing in ANY planeset?

Snootles
11-15-2004, 09:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> There's little to no hope of him ever improving either. I can only hope that in the mean time, he looks into some Maxi Pads so he can sop up the bleeding. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't believe how immature some of you fools are! Yes, "extended war" planes would be really neat and unique. No, it won't happen (and shouldn't because nobody will think of balancing them accurately with "late" planes on both sides). Get over it and get a life.

IBTL

BlitzPig_Frat
11-15-2004, 10:12 PM
if it was beyond prototype before wars end, Allow it. But, as said a million times, there are more important planes that saw combat that 1C should get in the game as flyable, using their resources. Now if sombody in community makes it themselves, to 1C's standard, then what would be the problem of having it?

Just like the 109Z & YP80, hosts can, and more than likely will, ban them anyways. No harm no foul to anybody, so why all the flaming guys?

RAAF_Typhoon77
11-15-2004, 10:49 PM
Aye, there Frat you got a point. Still i think it would be best to stick with planes which "combated" in ww2 still we already have some with none but i dont like the idea of having non ww2 planes.....but thats my opinion BTW Badsight quit being a *** http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lmfao

WUAF_Badsight
11-15-2004, 10:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
It doesn't belong in here either. Ditto the I-185. Ditto the Bi-1 which started this huge MESS in the first place, by providing a precedent for this "hardly-flew" epidemic.

All these stupid, non-representative pipedream planes should be extracted from the sim and burned. As for the Bearcat, it was pretty much a plane without a war... so, what's it doing in ANY planeset? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Stigler you cant seriously say these planes ake less of a game

they add to it !

everyone loves the performance of late 45 planes . this isnt a online war vechicle only dude , its a game

adding the FG1 & F8F & J7W1 & Kikka would be great (especially a combat ready Pancake F5U)

they wont affect the game at all because DF maps & Coops are user created which you volunatarily join

moaning about what other people freely provide (& im talking about DF rooms at HL here) is pretty lame wouldnt you agree ? or is it that you want people to only be able to play your way ?!?!?!?!

A.K.Davis
11-16-2004, 12:03 AM
Bearcat had a war. French used them in Indochina in the '50s.