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ash1976
05-27-2009, 06:16 PM
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Yup, thats right - I've got Jerk seasoning on my trigger finger!

I'm currently playing with an old Trust (http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=14274) joystick whilst I pull together the funds (we're in a recession here guys!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) for (99% decided) an X52 Pro.

My main snag is when squeezing the trigger to deliver the killer burst I've got a real 'Jamaican Jerk seasoned' twitch when I shoot as its a real positive 'click' to actually fire my guns http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Can anyone:

1 - give me some feed back on the X52 Pro trigger response/pull

and

2 - any guru's out there with a sweet trigger technique they wanna share?

Thanks!

Ash

ps: I know this sounds like a stupid problem but . . . I can fly OK for a relative noob, get into nice 6 & deflection shot positions but have problems delivering an accurate or sustained burst, given that the stick is 100% of my control input this is kinda key for me to improve on!!

gizmo60
05-27-2009, 06:48 PM
Hi
My X52 Pro trigger is very smooth. the first click is after about 2 or 3mm movement and then about another 10mm until the next click.

Although the click is quite loud I can't really discern it through my finger so no extra pressure is needed to overcome it.

I don't really know how to describe how much pressure is needed, it's light but firm :/

For me it's a very nice action.

Cheers

Waldo.Pepper
05-27-2009, 08:23 PM
I know exactly what you are describing and have had the same problem every now and then.

I even posted something about it 3 years ago. (God time flies eh?)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...291072433#9291072433 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9291072433?r=9291072433#9291072433)

I know golfers can get this too and call it the yips. An involuntary twitch at the moment that the club makes contact with the ball, which caused their shot to be inaccurate. [I am not the least bit of a golf fan by the way - I am a bit of an anti-fan of golf to tell the truth.]

My cure was similar to what golf players are taught. Change your routine. So what I did, and it worked too, was to change the firing button. In fact I changed it to my other hand and made it the spacebar for a short period of time.

About a month or two was all it took, then I reverted it back to the proper trigger button on my X-52.

Good luck.

VW-IceFire
05-27-2009, 08:34 PM
Question...is the issue the trigger itself or the reaction/excitement/etc that causes a bit of an overreaction when you have that near perfect shot lined up?

Stiletto-
05-27-2009, 08:51 PM
I hear a good cure for a twitchy finger and to keep steady with your stick at the same time is to put your trigger on one of the buttons on your HOTAS throttle.

But if the problem is just how easy it is to twitch on the trigger too quickly, by all means... Get an X52 which as a 2 stage trigger, one for firing your first set of guns and the 2nd for all guns to fire, and just use the 2nd trigger indent and leave the first blank. It will give you a very long but usable throw for a fire button.

BillSwagger
05-27-2009, 09:18 PM
Its not really a requirement in this game, but sims of the past have limited the time on your gun burst before they melt down, jam, or lose their power. So im already in the habit of tapping the trigger button several times over a couple seconds which tends to conserve ammo and keep you from shooting at air.

i cant comment on your trigger problem cause i use a logitech, but i would think the principle is the same. Grip tight and tap or squeeze depending on your shot.

I've suggested two rudder controls in the past. One for quick turns and funky maneuvering, the other with sensitivity turned way down for more subtle movements when zoomed in using gunsite view or a tight FOV. (use il2Joy, it ends up being a flat curve from 4 min to 80max, then i bump the last setting to 100 so i still get the full range)

i rudder larger movements with my mouse wheel, and the lever on my stick is for the subtle rudder movements. Its as subtle as the trim rudder function, but with the full range of use so sticking with planes in turns and loops is a breeze as much as keeping the site on them.

Tully__
05-28-2009, 06:37 AM
Squeeze gently on the trigger rather than jerk, that should cure your twitch. Ease it slowly in, planning to ease past the click point just as the sight lines up with the target. It's the same principle as overcoming a twitch while shooting small arms.

ash1976
05-28-2009, 10:41 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys, I'll try easing up a little & squeezing my shots off and practice some in QMB for a while (until I get my X52 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

cheers

Ash

danjama
05-28-2009, 11:06 AM
A few nights ago i SNAPPED my trigger clean off of my saitek cyborg evo, and i've only had it a few months. Of course i couldn't find the receipt to see if the warranty would replace it, so now my trigger is useless. You should be grateful it's only a twitch you have.

It's been quite difficult adjusting my firing to another button, now i use my thumb to fire one of the buttons under the hat. Even now, when first entering combat, i sometimes hit the trigger and just go WTF nothing happened!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif Takes me a second to realise and by then the kill has gone.

Good luck with your twitch. I will say my gunnery has actually become more accurate than before, backing up Waldos theory of changing to another finger (sort of). I also hit the button gently compared to how i did when i snapped the trigger.

Falcke
05-28-2009, 11:18 AM
I use the thumb button on my X52 throttle to fire the guns. Putting pressure on the trigger of the throttle throws off my aim.

Waldo.Pepper
05-28-2009, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Falcke:
I use the thumb button on my X52 throttle to fire the guns. Putting pressure on the trigger of the throttle throws off my aim.

Well for what its worth, when flying the Zero you are historically accurate.

http://rwebs.net/avhistory/history/Zeke32.htm

RPMcMurphy
05-28-2009, 08:04 PM
I use the buttons at the base of my joystick near the throttle. I never did like that indexfinger firng button on the stick because it throws off my aim sometimes. I jst thought of this however; I would like to find a P-38 control yoke with that thumb-button, that would work okay for me. But I would only use it for the appropriate AC of course.

WhiteKnight77
05-28-2009, 09:59 PM
I was getting used to flying around in iL2 again with my new flight stick (X-52 Pro) and noticed that the Corsair used the thumb button under the cover compared the the Hellcats trigger with the index finger. I kind of like the double pull trigger though do not know what to set it for. I know that in a Phrog, the first pull is the ICS and the second detent is the radio (pilots do not control any weapons in a Phrog, the gunners in the back do).

P.FunkAdelic
05-29-2009, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:I kind of like the double pull trigger though do not know what to set it for.
I have stage one set for Machine Guns and stage two is for Machine Guns and Cannons. I also have the pinkie+stage one as Cannons and pinkie+stage two as Cannons and Machine Guns. Lets me decide how to use my ammo better, especially good for conserving those German cannon rounds that always run out just before you get your perfect deflection.