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AFJ_Locust
03-26-2005, 12:48 PM
Ok this is getting redicules

In greatergreen lastnight, Flying for blue team, Planeset is

K4
A9
D9

VS

Yak3P
La5 or 7 not sure wich
P63
Bombers


Ok Object of the map is to defend Anapa from Russian attack, INSTEAD K4, A9, D9, ALL FLYING AROUND ON THE DECK 500M OR LESS TRYING LIKE HELL TO DF THESE YAKS & LA7 WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLES BRAINS ? you cant outrun yak3p ? or la5?
so you cant drag & bag ? on that map!!!

Only 1 other German was flying at alttude that was Redwolf_67, Him & Myself flew around for a while looking to bounce some yaks but because everyone on blue team was right down in the mud you cant see any bandit to bounce

And because you freekin blue noobs wont fly at altitude & force the yaks & La7 to fly at least 2000m or so None can get any kills without going down to dance on the deck & DIE ever freekin TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY YOU CANOT OUTTURN A YAK3P OR LA5/7 WITH K4 A9 ON THE DECK

FORCE THEM TO COME UP INTO OUR AIRSPACE WHERE WE CAN SEE THEM!!!

If you fly at altitude just ignore this rant !!!!

I SEE THIS DAY IN & DAY OUT WHEN WILL YOU LEARN? YOU LIKE GETTING SHOT DOWN ?

T_O_A_D
03-26-2005, 12:52 PM
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AFJ_Locust
03-26-2005, 12:52 PM
Its insanity

Gog..
03-26-2005, 01:02 PM
I don't know why online mission makers even bother with ground targets, no-one bothers to try and take them out.

All you ever get is one big furball with a whole lot of kill hungry fighter jocks clawing over eachother to get some points.

I have often been flying along happily in my 111 only to get totally ignored by enemy fighters. WTF is with that? It's like they are shocked to see a bomber or are just too scared of the gunners and prefer to take on something that can't shoot backwards maybe?

It would be good if you could restrict the number of fighters in a server and therefore force more people to choose the mediums and actually try and achieve the objective.

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gog..:
I don't know why online mission makers even bother with ground targets, no-one bothers to try and take them out.

All you ever get is one big furball with a whole lot of kill hungry fighter jocks clawing over eachother to get some points.

I have often been flying along happily in my 111 only to get totally ignored by enemy fighters. WTF is with that? It's like they are shocked to see a bomber or are just too scared of the gunners and prefer to take on something that can't shoot backwards maybe?

It would be good if you could restrict the number of fighters in a server and therefore force more people to choose the mediums and actually try and achieve the objective. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually...thats all I do. Ground pounding. Fighter vs fighter has gotten quite boring while ground attack is a constant challenge.

fordfan25
03-26-2005, 01:09 PM
yea it would be great if there were restictions now and then.

RedDeth
03-26-2005, 01:45 PM
LOL this is why every day on AFJ comms is a riot. we have about 15 guys all like locust on comms.

its a new adventure daily~

geetarman
03-26-2005, 02:34 PM
I've said it once, I'll say it again - more servers should have airstarts at 20,000 - 25,000 feet.

Latico
03-26-2005, 03:24 PM
I fly in the Zekes vs Wildcat EW server all the time, piloting the DB's (SBD or Val). Taking out ground targets is about all I'm good at, so ground objectives are my sole goal.

The mission maps on the server are geared towards the necessity for good tactical flying and team work. But, there are those that don't seem to be able to bring themselves to fly this way. Some of us have proven that coordinated group attacks can be highly successful against intense AAA and CAP, at least for the allied side. A few of us are working on bringing some respect for the VAl as well.

Perhaps, if the server you are flying on would impliment a "Death kick" some of those that use stupid suicide combat tactics will wise up and be less prone to fly dumb.

rummyrum
03-26-2005, 03:36 PM
Umm its been this way well..................................always http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif fly coops or online war where the real aces are.

EnGaurde
03-26-2005, 04:04 PM
...and so are the Ways of Public Servers.

The Unruly Mob, showing no cohesion, no direction.

Indeed your next rage will be why the internet doesnt have an accurate, up to date site directory in alphabetical and topical order....

....its just not in the beasts nature to do so.

expect strangers and children especially to think of nothing but themselves.



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Stiglr
03-26-2005, 04:10 PM
What are you complaining about?

You, who I note is also flying in one of these predictable ueberplane servers, are just supporting the idiocy with your presence.

Try flying in a server with some honest, early or mid-war planes; planes that have a few foibles to go with their strengths.

Try flying on a server with some ground objects in them, and with a choice of airbases, so the action doesn't revolve around two airfields about 10km apart, one of which is always being vulched by the other side.

Dean_Clean
03-26-2005, 05:39 PM
P.11, 109E, a6m2, f4f.....
You are right, GG is a predictable ueberplane server.

Bikewer
03-26-2005, 06:19 PM
Interestingly, it was much the same situation in WWII online. We luft guys would warn the newbies time and again, "do not dogfight with the Spits and Hurris".
But there were always plenty of would-be 109 aces down on the deck, getting blasted to pieces.

Our two 109 variants were greatly superior if you kept strict B&Z tactics, but you dasn't hardly turn at all!

Atomic_Marten
03-26-2005, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Its insanity <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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AFJ_Locust
03-26-2005, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
LOL this is why every day on AFJ comms is a riot. we have about 15 guys all like locust on comms.

its a new adventure daily~ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL Chut up red http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

AFJ_Locust
03-26-2005, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geetarman:
I've said it once, I'll say it again - more servers should have airstarts at 20,000 - 25,000 feet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like this idea

AFJ_Locust
03-26-2005, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rummyrum:
Umm its been this way well..................................always http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif fly coops or online war where the real aces are. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VWF Died It was awsome

I still Coop

AFJ_Locust
03-26-2005, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
What are you complaining about?

You, who I note is _also_ flying in one of these predictable ueberplane servers, are just supporting the idiocy with your presence.

Try flying in a server with some honest, early or mid-war planes; planes that have a few foibles to go with their strengths.

Try flying on a server with some ground objects in them, and with a choice of airbases, so the action doesn't revolve around two airfields about 10km apart, one of which is always being vulched by the other side. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What are you talking about ?

I fly in WC, Greater Green, Warbirds servers.

I wont be in GG that often if the flights are the way they were other night

Zeeks V Wildcats is Looking dam good latley

lronSight
03-26-2005, 08:06 PM
I'd be all over those ground targets if I was running merged. :-P

Blackdog5555
03-26-2005, 09:28 PM
Well the DF servers are for those who only like to play aerial paintball. Co-ops are fun but without comms and strategy...leave you wanting too.

JunkoIfurita
03-26-2005, 11:32 PM
Seems the answer is simple...join a squadron.

If you're careful and pick the right one, you'll find a bunch of pilots who want to play the game properly - formations, mission-oriented gameplay over mindless dogfighting, a good mix of ground-pounding and high-alt sorties. If you pick a squadron with their own server on HL, then you're definitely laughing.

You stick to the dogfight servers and all you'll get is what they're all about: low-level dogfights among pilots who think they aren't having fun if they have to fly for more than 30 seconds without firing their guns.

There are a ridiculous number of fantastic squadrons about - check the Squadron Forums: 69GIAP if you're UK or surrounds, Fighting Irish...Wedge Tailed Eagles or the RAAF if you're from Oceana...more squadrons in the US than you can poke an I-16 at!

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IL2-chuter
03-27-2005, 06:59 PM
There I was, flyin in some game on some server for nine and a half hours, poeple elbowing, clawing and kicking past each other to get shots on somebody, hitting friendlies and baddies alike, flyin into the ground and each other, frustrating me and everybody else, absolutely not using any group tactical sense or helping any friendlies in need . . . I CAN'T STAND IT. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Be there again tonight, see ya around. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

RedDeth
03-27-2005, 07:03 PM
aerial paintball? ive been die hard paintball playing for 19 years. i dont see the similarity .

gates123
03-28-2005, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gog..:
I don't know why online mission makers even bother with ground targets, no-one bothers to try and take them out.



You couldn't be more wrong.

carguy_
03-28-2005, 11:03 AM
I fly @4000-7000m and I am often called a coward.I attack yaks and extend to climb back up but everyone says I don`t want for my team to win because I have not joined a furball @2000m.

Then one guy wins a lottery and actually survives this furball with two kills and proclaims himself an ace and laugh at me cuz all I was able to do is damage two planes.

Next thing he shows me number of his kills.Looks great-2.3 kills/sortie but a FECKING 1.2/1 KILL/KIA ratio WHAT AN IDIOT!

gates123
03-28-2005, 11:08 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:

I wont be in GG that often if the flights are the way they were other night.



Locust dont publicly complain about free well maintained servers. No one forces you to get caught low because the other team is doing their job and giving close cover to their ground pounders..

You've spent a whopping 2.7 hrs on GG and have a 0.3 K/D ratio. Probably not what your use to but GG pilots no matter what height they fly are on the average better pilots then what servers you are use to. GG hosted over 9000 pilots in the last 3 months, if it was so bad I doubt the numbers would be this high.

So in conclusion, don't bash a free well maintained service that supports your hobby and before you decide to talk trash on other peoples flying tactics you should first revalueate your own.

crazyivan1970
03-28-2005, 11:13 AM
@Locust... LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
@Stigler - GG is probably best server out there right now, as far as missions and map rotation goes, you should get out more often http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Krt_Bong
03-28-2005, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lronSight:
I'd be all over those ground targets if I was running merged. :-P <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WarbirdsofPrey does have a Stand-alone server and all of our missions are objective based so small groups (who may all be flying on one side) can complete and move on to the next map it can be found via Hyperlobby or All Seeing Eye or by ip: 69.9.37.146:21006
If you have a suggestion for maps that appear on our servers or one which you would like to see implemented please post at www.warbirdsofprey.org (http://www.warbirdsofprey.org) ChicagoChad and I create many of the maps that appear there and would welcome constuctive/creative criticism from those that play online. Warbirds is geared toward realistic historical missions and plane-sets, not arcade style play. But we do like to inject some fun into it so please give input both positive and negative to help us make it more enjoyable for all
-RAF238th_Bong
www.WarbirdsofPrey.Org (http://www.WarbirdsofPrey.Org)

RAF74_Poker
03-28-2005, 12:25 PM
Sat night/ Sun morning ... played an excellent mission on Z&W(IIRC) flying Beaufighters against ground targets ... running a gauntlet of Zero's and Ki61's ... Hell of a mission, and a hell of a lot of fun !

Kudo's to ChicagoChad, Tankish, and a couple others who flew the Beau's w/ me.... great fun.

I try and make sure that I fly a ground attack sortie in every mission/map ...even if it's a fighter bomber.

WOLFMondo
03-28-2005, 01:44 PM
All I can see here is the red VVS guys dictated the fight and the blues suffered!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Some airstart maps at 25,000 would be nice but on the eastern front the fighting was at low altitude and on the western front unless you were a bomber escort fighter you would also be doing allot of fighting at medium and low altitudes. Some of you guys seem to think the entire airwar was conducted at high altitude, it wasn't like that at all.

Hairball_1
03-28-2005, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't know why online mission makers even bother with ground targets, no-one bothers to try and take them out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All I do is attack ground targets. If there are no bombers available, I'll grab a fighter and strap a bomb to it.

gates123
03-28-2005, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
but on the eastern front the fighting was at low altitude and on the western front unless you were a bomber escort fighter you would also be doing allot of fighting at medium and low altitudes. Some of you guys seem to think the entire airwar was conducted at high altitude, it wasn't like that at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Thats an excellent point WolfMondo. Even in the MTO most fights were under 4000m.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-28-2005, 02:29 PM
I would like to add...Wildcats do NOT outturn Zekes people!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Phew! I feel better now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Von_Rat
03-28-2005, 07:46 PM
theres a big differance beteewn 3 or 4 k, and the 50m furballs that i see alot of on any server.

a 2 or 3k airstart sounds good.especially for bombers.

AFJ_Locust
03-28-2005, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:

You've spent a whopping 2.7 hrs on GG and have a 0.3 K/D ratio. Probably not what your use to but GG pilots no matter what height they fly are on the average better pilots then what servers you are use to. GG hosted over 9000 pilots in the last 3 months, if it was so bad I doubt the numbers would be this high. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO

Gates Ive been flying this sim since Il2 was released Ive flown in GG Hundreds of times if not thousands, I flew in GG when it was hosted in UBI games many many times.

Im not bashing GG, I like there server Im bashing the ignorance of People flying A9 & K4 on the deck vs Yak3p & La7

Its suposed to be stratigy server win the map by destroying the enemy targets

Very few were attacking target from allied
& ALL of the german cept Redwolf_67 were on the Fing deck NO WHERE NEAR THE TGT AREA TRYING TO KILL YAKS

RE_READ THE ORIGINAL POST GATES !!!

PS what servers am I used to ??? LMAO

You know not of what your speeking

AFJ_Locust
03-28-2005, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Rat:
theres a big differance beteewn 3 or 4 k, and the 50m furballs that i see alot of on any server.

a 2 or 3k airstart sounds good.especially for bombers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SO TRUE !!!

gates123
03-29-2005, 09:54 AM
No worries Locust.

I've read many accounts that when things got dicey pilots would shoot for the deck. People like to argue that these furballs that are 50m above the weeds isnt "historical" online but I've read many accounts about ferocious dogfights with over 20 enemy planes swirling above house chimneys and large forests. It might not have been the norm on the western front but I think it happened more times then people seem to give account to.

On the Eastern front I think it was definetly the norm. With the number of Il-2 sorties that took place the Germans had no other choice then to engage them on the deck. I'm sure there were hundereds if not thousands of furballs that were swirling under 500m over the steppes the Eastern front throughout the war.

On Greatergreen I can name a few pilots that lure people to the deck with their yaks and set them up. Trick is don't get caught if your flying blue.

I suggest you pick up the Black Cross and Red Stars series of books. It has many pilot accounts of furballs that took place under 500m thoughout the Eastern Front especially when large armies met and there were a large contigent of Il-2's and Stukas in the air. Kinda like Greatergreen. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jeroen_R90S
03-29-2005, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hairball_1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't know why online mission makers even bother with ground targets, no-one bothers to try and take them out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All I do is attack ground targets. If there are no bombers available, I'll grab a fighter and strap a bomb to it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here, I usually fly with a friend of mine who just got the game and help him around a little -can you image, one blind helping the other cross the street http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stuka, Val and IL-2 are my fav's!

Jeroen

Stiglr
03-29-2005, 02:29 PM
Gates, certainly nobody is suggesting that there was no action in the weeds, especially in Russia.

But, it isn't the smartest thing to make your living on, because alt is life in many cases. And even the Russians discovered this; Pokryshkin's "stairstep" tactics, devised for the P-39, were novel for the VVS because they introduced the advantage of cruising at altitude, and having higher flights protecting lower "shelves".

Also, some of us take issue with how some elements of the sim's design and execution tip the balance in favor of those low-flying planes, and strip higher-flying pilots of what should be their ability to select targets lower than they, and dictate the terms of the fight. You can't target or B&Z what you can't see.

geetarman
03-29-2005, 02:42 PM
As the person that initially brought up the notion of 20,000' airstarts in this thread, let me clarify.

My point was really geared to Western Front servers, not so much those dealing with the Eastern Front as not much high alt combat took place.

In the west though, a lot of combat was intitiated at high alt's due to the US bombing campaign. Yes, the Germans sometimes (often?) broke for the deck if jumped. However, I think the norm was for US pilots to chase the Jerries down there. Swirling df's I don't believe were very common, as US pilots tended to not make it a habit of doing that sort of thing. On top of that, it seems that most times the Germans were trying to make it home, low on fuel, and were not prone to want to waste gas mixing it up.

To the contrary, many German pilots went at it against the US planes during the initial attack on the bombers. These engagements were at higher alts.

I understand there was quite a bit of low alt work done by the US tactical af and the brits, but the bulk of the day fighting began at high alts.

WF servers were everyone mills around at 1,500', looping and turning do not represent what actually happened very well, for both sides.

gates123
03-29-2005, 02:56 PM
On the contrary this sim isnt supposed to represent the 8th airforce high alt strategic bombing. Online many servers have ground objectives based on tactical mid to low alt engagments. If you want to protect or destroy tanks you gotta get in the weeds to do it. Often if I see a furball on the deck I'll bnz it from about 1500m. Tactics work the same and there no reason to get caught in that mess if you can avoid it and still help your team.

I run 1024 res on excellent settings and I can see planes 2-3k below me w/o a problem. BnZ tactics work like a charm especially when no icons are present that give away your position and plane type like a billboard with x-mas lights on it. Very non-historical. As long as there is ground objective involved the majority of online fighting will be below 3000m, and more often then none, in the weeds.

geetarman
03-29-2005, 03:46 PM
S! Gates! I don't know that this sim was designed to only allow for low alt. battles either. Fact is, up to 30,000', the engine works pretty well.

My only point was that some of us would like the opportunity to fly in the environment where most US and German fighter pilots flew. Simple as that. If those that create these on-line servers disagree, so be it. I'll continue to fly what's available.

Stiglr
03-29-2005, 04:37 PM
*wince*

I don't quite buy this "cop out" that IL-2 was designed for low alt only (as an explanation for why it doesn't work at high level for Western Front activity).

Physics are physics, and adjustments can be made in calculations for engine power and aerodynamic modleing for various altitude bands. It's not like gravity is THAT much different at 20K feet as it is at ground level.

AFJ_Locust
03-29-2005, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:
No worries Locust.

I've read many accounts that when things got dicey pilots would shoot for the deck. People like to argue that these furballs that are 50m above the weeds isnt "historical" online but I've read many accounts about ferocious dogfights with over 20 enemy planes swirling above house chimneys and large forests. It might not have been the norm on the western front but I think it happened more times then people seem to give account to.

On the Eastern front I think it was definetly the norm. With the number of Il-2 sorties that took place the Germans had no other choice then to engage them on the deck. I'm sure there were hundereds if not thousands of furballs that were swirling under 500m over the steppes the Eastern front throughout the war.

On Greatergreen I can name a few pilots that lure people to the deck with their yaks and set them up. Trick is don't get caught if your flying blue.

I suggest you pick up the Black Cross and Red Stars series of books. It has many pilot accounts of furballs that took place under 500m thoughout the Eastern Front especially when large armies met and there were a large contigent of Il-2's and Stukas in the air. Kinda like Greatergreen. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gates they didn't dive to the deck when things got dicey in GG cuz they never had Any altitude to dive from !!! If they Dove theyd slam into the Deck

Common sense will tell you that your not gonna beat yaks in a K4 on the deck like 100feet or less off the deck

No German Aces flew around on the deck at 100 feet NONE!!

Many didn't even engage without "E" Advantage


There were no stukas that day or Il2's there were B25's & A20's and there might have been 2 in the air. Total I guess every single German which was near 20 on Blue team were all hunting those 2 Bombers in the center of the map ?

Wrong as anyone who flys bombers knows the best way to hit that Anapa tgt in GG server is from the Sea

No Germans except myself & Redwolf_65 were above 100Feet altitude, NONE!!! for at least 1 hour or longer thats not the point tho the point is People flying German AC should at least have 2000m before they try to Engage Bandits & probably better 5000m +

buglord
03-29-2005, 10:17 PM
yep your right locust im a gg bomber pilot & i do come in from the sea to anapa at about 2500 like you said & i usually hit the targets with my b25 then get out to sea again because i know over land there will be very low lawnmowing err sorry dogfighting as there usually is on that map. S~
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Hendley
03-29-2005, 10:52 PM
Frankly speaking, on most dogfight maps I encounter (GG, mostly), if you're buzzing around at 7000 metres feeling clever then you are not playing the map and you are not helping your team.

The targets are on the _ground_, and this is where most of the bombers have to do their work (and yes, there _are_ a couple of us in bombers trying to get those targets). The chances of you protecting a Stuka strafing cars at 50m from 7000m is nil. The chances of you preventing an enemy Il-2 from strafing cars is also nil.

Frankly, I'll take the guys who come down to the deck to duke it out and provide cover for the bombers over the experten dot 10000m above me any day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW, the Western Front does not mean "Mighty 8th bombing campaign". The RAF and Luftwaffe were duking it out for almost three years before the 8th even arrived in Europe, not to mention low alt fighter sweeps over France, anti-sub work, anit-coastal shipping campaigns, coastal convoy protection, train and tank-busting, the whole airwar at night, etc etc. that continued post-1942. There was LOTS going on below 1000m...

Jaws2002
03-29-2005, 11:08 PM
I flew that mission many times. I like to get in the weeds. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I like to strap a BK 3.7 on the 110 and go snipe those tanks on the road. Is a lot of fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Badsight.
03-30-2005, 12:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Gates they didn't dive to the deck when things got dicey in GG cuz they never had Any altitude to dive from !!! If they Dove theyd slam into the Deck

Common sense will tell you that your not gonna beat yaks in a K4 on the deck like 100feet or less off the deck

No German Aces flew around on the deck at 100 feet NONE!!

Many didn't even engage without "E" Advantage


There were no stukas that day or Il2's there were B25's & A20's and there might have been 2 in the air. Total I guess every single German which was near 20 on Blue team were all hunting those 2 Bombers in the center of the map ?

Wrong as anyone who flys bombers knows the best way to hit that Anapa tgt in GG server is from the Sea

No Germans except myself & Redwolf_65 were above 100Feet altitude, NONE!!! for at least 1 hour or longer thats not the point tho the point is People flying German AC should at least have 2000m before they try to Engage Bandits & probably better 5000m + <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL , what do you expect from a DF room except point whoring

Badsight.
03-30-2005, 12:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:
I run 1024 res on excellent settings and I can see planes 2-3k below me w/o a problem. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>liar liar , pants on fire !

optimum dot disapearence range if from 2k out to 3k out !

Badsight.
03-30-2005, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
@Locust... LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
@Stigler - GG is probably best server out there right now, as far as missions and map rotation goes, you should get out more often http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL NOT GUNNA HAPPEN

he dont want to confirm not being able to compete

Stiglr
03-30-2005, 01:55 PM
Actually, there's a rather simple reason I haven't been hanging out on HyperLobby...

I don't have PF yet, and thus can't fly if I wanted to. But that's soon to be remedied. Got a copy coming by mail, probably by next week.

crazyivan1970
03-30-2005, 04:04 PM
Oh nooo Stig... i thought it was "Targetware forever", what gives? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AFJ_Locust
03-30-2005, 05:49 PM
Hendly the Germans werent protecting the Target

Thats my whole point

Flying blue you could Loiter over Anapa with 8 to 10 K4's at 2500m to 3000 when you see the flack shooting you dive & eyeball a bandit/bomber waste him go vertical Allied Yak hangs on your six while your climbing out & your wing man dives from 3000m & waste's him

Its a pitty that most players think this is some kind of a 1v1 Ill win the whole map or die trying type of flying, If more players would be patient use Chess type stratigy & think about the plane sets & the stratigy of the other team much more could be accomplished theyd still get there damed points & we could almost all live to see the next dawn LOL guess it wont ever change

Jumoschwanz
03-30-2005, 05:55 PM
Yea, I saw you crying about this on the greatergreen server chat bar too. Booohooohoo.

Hey Locust, did you ever think that the poeple flying and fighting down low were there because they were having fun and wanted to?

Is that ok if they have fun however they want to?

Sometimes I have fun flying up where the vapor trails are, sometimes I have fun flying on the deck, is that ok with you?

Quit whining and crying about how others are having fun. If you don't like it why don't you start your own server where if anyone flies below 6000 meters they are booted? Then we won't have to watch you cry and whine and moan on greatergreen anymore, and we will have even more fun! S!

Jumoschwanz

AFJ_Locust
03-30-2005, 07:07 PM
ANOTHER NOOB BITES THE DUST

Stiglr
03-30-2005, 07:53 PM
Ivan, Ivan, Ivan,

Who says you can't fly both? Warts and all?

Up until recently, I had flown both. And once that little box lands in my mailbin, I probably will again.

Badsight.
03-30-2005, 09:29 PM
well you wern't before . lots of debating at HL , just no flying

Von_Rat
03-31-2005, 01:09 AM
if we could see dots, flying at more realistic alt wouldnt be a problem. you could fly hi and still protect targets.

And who says ground attack planes in real life were always low approaching target. i usually come in fairly hi and dive on target. the reason alot of bombers approach low is because theyre invisable because of dots.

somtimes i think this game should be called,BATTLING HOVERCRAFT OF WORLD WAR 2.

CAPT_COTTON
03-31-2005, 10:42 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
OMG http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif the boom and zoomers that had the same argument on CFS1 and 2 and 3 are in here now.
I guess if all fights were at 2000 M well you would be complaining that no one ever figths at 1M where you are now. And why are your buddies up there??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
When i was in ROTC in highschool we had a closet full of film reels that were guncamera films from WW2 and the sergent would let us stay after school and watch them . there were many shots of ground targets and boats ,trains and dogfigths and they were not up there in the wild blue yonder and you could see troops firing up at you and it was screey as hell watching those films. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
yes we had to load the film into the projector to see them and i was in visual aid and got to go to rooms to show films. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
How long did it take those planes and bombers to get to alt and how long were those fligths and and how many in flight sims want to take 9 hour flight for a 30 min fight he he ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
The filghts i was part of in navy were 14 to 16 hours long --VR21 1960 to 64 Pacific [Pine apple Airlines] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I wonder if anyone could find those films that belonged to the US ARMY and save them so we could see them?????? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Tvrdi
03-31-2005, 11:06 AM
pitty we dont have more open coops (those with proper planeset are rarity)....about dogs, I said before and i will repeat - its pitty we dont have some kind of restriction in number of planes for particular types (even better, restriction of types available for each player)....also somewhere opposite bases are too close....often u can find 24 players on one side and 14 on the other side.....and 3 kills ban should be used in all servers...

III-JG27_DV8
03-31-2005, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you cant outrun yak3p ? or la5?
so you cant drag & bag ? on that map!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY YOU CANOT OUTTURN A YAK3P OR LA5/7 WITH K4 A9 ON THE DECK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

All kidding aside...

This post is bull-feces. A GOOD pilot should know how to handle his ride. Even with the great handling of the Spit, La's, Yak's, Ki's and the like - it IS always up to the PILOT.

S! & Happy Hunting

DV8
JG27
<span class="ev_code_RED">He has risen!</span>

AFJ_Locust
03-31-2005, 06:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Rat:
if we could see dots, flying at more realistic alt wouldnt be a problem. you could fly hi and still protect targets.

And who says ground attack planes in real life were always low approaching target. i usually come in fairly hi and dive on target. the reason alot of bombers approach low is because theyre invisable because of dots.

somtimes i think this game should be called,BATTLING HOVERCRAFT OF WORLD WAR 2. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Word!!!

AFJ_Locust
03-31-2005, 06:46 PM
Cotton this is not the armey, It doesnt take 9 hours to get 2000m altitude

2000m altitude takes about 3min in a k4 maybe 4

and about 4 to 5 in an A9, Im not &/or never said some battles didnt take place down low.

I fly bombers & fighters & fighter/bombers in this sim I rarely if ever come to tgt with less than 1000m & normaly at 2000m so I can evade flack in the dive & have time to line up tgt while makeing right & left jinks to avoid 20mil fire.

Fact is it normaly takes about 10 to 15 min to take off find a target/bandit at altitude and start fighting but when all ac in a server are at 100 feet or less..........

O feck it you just dont get it !!!

AFJ_Locust
03-31-2005, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by III-JG27_DV8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you cant outrun yak3p ? or la5?
so you cant drag & bag ? on that map!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY YOU CANOT OUTTURN A YAK3P OR LA5/7 WITH K4 A9 ON THE DECK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

All kidding aside...

This post is bull-feces. A GOOD pilot should know how to handle his ride. Even with the great handling of the Spit, La's, Yak's, Ki's and the like - it IS always up to the PILOT.

S! & Happy Hunting

DV8
JG27
<span class="ev_code_RED">He has risen!</span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



PS Re-Read the post its not about pilot skill DV8 Its about the Blue team flying like noobs right on the deck in a limited planeset map with objectives & blue team not protecting objctives from Alt. or even anywhere near the obj.

ImpStarDuece
03-31-2005, 07:35 PM
One of the better air fighting guides I have seen split its pilots into two categories
1) Bloodthirsty pilots, and
2) Thinking pilots


Neither is related to skill but to attitude. I think its one of the better categorisations that I have run across. A newb can be a good thinking pilot and some old hands are nothing but bloodthirsty pilots.


Bloodthirsty pilots are those who fly simply to get into combat as quickly as possible. They get minimal altitude and take off towards the nearest fight hoping that they will be the first into the battle area. They are the 'I want kills NOW' kind of pilots who end up in low alt conga lines flyng D9s against Yaks. The same guys are also mytistified when you fry them in a La-7 or Spitfire VIII when your in a KI-43, I-16 or a Gladiator.


Thinking pilots are a much rarer breed. These are the guys who think about Energy management, use boom and zoom tactics and generally refuse engagement unless they have an advantage. They are not afraid to circle to 3000 or 4000 meters before heading off to find some trouble, generally using advantages of speed and climb instead of turn and dive. They check their 6, fly at decent angles for search (parallel to likely enemy ingress points) and are more likely to use effective team tactics. They can get donw and dirty too, but usually have set conditions to break off when things look bad.

Most players online are bloodthirsty pilots. They are in it for 'fun'. Somehow they equate fun with flying circles and loops while manicuring someones lawn or acting as a snow blower. They make things much easier for thinking pilots. They are 'prey' for thinking pilots, pure and simple. The best online pilot in the world cannot compete with a fighter traveling faster and at higer alt (maybe with a wingmate) if he is on the deck, its a no win situation.

gates123
04-01-2005, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:
I run 1024 res on excellent settings and I can see planes 2-_3k_ below me w/o a problem. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>liar liar , pants on fire !

optimum dot disapearence range if from 2k out to 3k out ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your right I lied, I'm actually running on Perfect settings. Maybe thats why I can see dots on the deck that are 3k below me...hmmm