View Full Version : Need suggestions for returning sim pilot

08-13-2010, 01:53 PM
After a long break from flight sims due to weak computer, I got a great rig now. However, my X-45 got smashed once at a party, rebuilt was ok, until it was smashed again by some drunk college students. That one really totalled it. So I have my Ch Pro-Pedals which are assumed in decent condition, but I'm looking for a new joystick/throttle rig. Plus any recomendations on TrackIR or similar?

Just one catch, I've never liked twisty stick rudder control. I got pedals, and before that the X-45's throttle rudder was pretty neato. Are there any decent rigs without twisty stick? Or perhaps some lock on the stick so it doesn't twist? Other than that, rotarys for trim etc necessary of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

08-13-2010, 01:59 PM
Get an X-52 - it's the follow on to the X-45 and you can lock out the twist function. TrackIR is a must have imho. There is A LOT you may have missed around here.

08-13-2010, 02:12 PM
I was lookin at the X-52. Looks pretty good, and will work with Windows7 64bit apparently. But what about the old Cougar HOTAS system? Anyone using these still?

I'm sure I have missed a lot, but nothing more than everyday bs'ing about plane performances and delayed BoB (I've been waiting since 2004 or so). I heard Olegs company had a rebellion round then which caused the delay (shelving) of the BoB project, manpower which has apparently been replaced and now are projecting a release within 2010. I doubt it, but it's better than projections back in 2006.

Also heard TrackIR works in the X-Y-Z now to look around struts and whatnot. Hope thats true. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

08-13-2010, 03:26 PM
I like my CH stick a lot. Kind of expensive but it's very solid and has improved my aiming because it has very good control. TIR is useful but it is very expensive, there are other things you can do like use a mouse or use xpadder on a gamepad's analog joystick to mimic the mouse for looking around. In any case keep this equipment safe when you have a bunch of drunk guys around, put them in a closet or something! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also to use TIR in 6DOF (where you can move forward and back and so on) you have to use mods. I don't really like using 6DOF because it's very confusing and I don't think it's done very well in Il-2 in terms of moving forward and back because it moves rather jerkily as it moves through the different panes of view, so I turn it off.

08-13-2010, 03:51 PM
Roger that. I had streaks with aircraft and X-45 using hat switches that were virtually undefeated. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That front thumb hat was the only thing really not so good on the ol' X-45, but then I had TrackIR 1.0 and later 2.0. Definately HAT flying will be done first, until I can get a TrackIR. Prolly won't use the 3-d mod though if its as bad as it sounds.

Oh ya, wanted to ask, what CH stick u using? And is it a 3d swivel?

08-14-2010, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Nekoyorinekoze:
Definately HAT flying will be done first, until I can get a TrackIR. Prolly won't use the 3-d mod though if its as bad as it sounds.

The 6DOF software that comes with the newer TrackIr's also gives improved tracking in the default ILR2 even without the 6DOF mod.

You do not get any 6DOF features of course, but the standard tracking is noticeably better.

08-15-2010, 02:08 PM
I went to the store looking to compare but they didn't have a cougar HOTAS, so I went with the double springed X52 PRO (i figure the cougars are older and would need some repairs sooner). Works great except I couldnt map my hat switches correctly in IL2. So now I'm looking for IL2 profiles, something with the D button on throttle as "look up" and the first hat switch on the stick as snap view for corresponding directions.

Anyone have and leads to IL2 profiles for the X-52Pro?

08-15-2010, 04:31 PM
if you can do simple dyi stuff, google "EDITED software - it basically a DYI TrackIR Project - it cost next to nothing and is reputed to work almost as good as TrackIR. I'll be trying to build one for myself just to see how it works...

08-15-2010, 05:39 PM
Cachya does not use a hat with lights, only a webcam and a paper target on a hat. (http://www.cachya.com/esight/overview.php)

I have a regular X-52 and the twisty rudder is the weakest part. You have pedals and the X-52 is able to lock the twist though hey you could tie that axis in to say rudder trim or something. But if you can afford CH then why d1ck around?

08-16-2010, 01:21 AM
EDITED has actually 2 options: hat with LEDs or a hat with reflective material (glued in three places) - but then you will need a webcam with IR leds.

Cachya seems simpler to build though.

08-16-2010, 01:36 AM
Hopefully I still got my TrackIR2.0 in the garage back at home. Gonna check it tomorrow. Snap views with HAT can do for now, but you just can't get that smooth efficient killing TrackIR affords.

Looking forward to builing a profile, but the one thing I loved most with my X-45, using the pinky switch for WEP, doesn't seem possible on first glance in the profile editor. I'll mess with it more tomorrow, was super hung over today and its good I got everything loaded up to Hyperlobbby, and now I gotta get 4.09m to play on HL.

Is it just me or weren't the graphics much better?? I remembered IL2 graphics kinda like those in Wings of Prey. Or maybe I was just thinking of BoB pic updates from long ago...

Next to try, Wings of Prey and that newer WWI sim. Also got FSX that might be fun with some add-ons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Fly some jets

08-16-2010, 11:30 AM
Got my TrackIR 2.0. Assuming clean install and still in working condition, I just need some reflective material and it's open murder season. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif DS/ed 4.09m also since no online servers with 4.08. And whats up with the UP2.01 mod? Is that like a Sweet 16 party for all the german whiners?

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-16-2010, 11:44 AM
Since you already have CH Pro Pedals, I STRONGLY suggest snagging a CH Fighterstick. It has a throttle wheel, 3 modes and will pair nicely with your Pedals not to mention is fully functional in the CH Control Manager software.

You really can't go wrong with that.

08-16-2010, 12:06 PM
Sounds good, but since going hotas in 2002 or so I just can't go back. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And this X-52 is quite handy, and unlimited options now that I understand what the profile editor does. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif A little more work and I'm gonna have my first morning flight in 6 years. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oh ya, for TrackIR2 Win 7 x64 probable fix:

http://forum.naturalpoint.com/...mber=35294#Post35294 (http://forum.naturalpoint.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=35294#Post35294)

08-16-2010, 12:16 PM
Theres the easy way. If that doesnt work, here's the hard way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Solving Win64bit unsigned driver tantrums"


08-16-2010, 01:14 PM
Screw it, I got my school loan plus federal grant. I'm getting a new TrackIR "soon"tm baby!

08-16-2010, 02:56 PM
The Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X is a good controller for the money and it has the same type of rudder rocker as the X-45. You can separate the throttle and joystick. You can lock the twist function on the joystick so it does not move. I have used one now for a while and it has a very nice feel to it.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/pr...t.aspx?ProductID=149 (http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=149)

08-16-2010, 07:41 PM
I glanced at that system, but thought it looked arcadey. I liked the Cougar HOTAS system because it was metal construnction, no twist iirc, plus even more buttons than the old X-45. But since it seems bearings need replacing and more butthurt in the future, I went with a company thats current and not a half pad product in the X-52PRO. Nice mix of metal and plastic, apparently sturdy where needed.

Next is determining TrackIR4 or 5? The 5 looks like a lot finer toothed comb, but only if you zoom in 300x. For all intensive purposes the 4 looks like it does everything the 5 does. But then again I only buy one TrackIR every 8 years it seems, so $50 spread over 8 years isn't much of a difference to me, especially with the benefits it will bring. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

08-16-2010, 10:51 PM
Is whatever you buy likely to be subject to drunks, idiots or thieves? You might want to rethink device longevity and entertainment investments. Just speaking as someone whose friends had friends who weren't my friends, IYKWIM.

Old saying that used to be given to new marrieds: don't get the good furniture till the kids have gone.

08-17-2010, 09:47 AM
For sure, but I got my sh1t on lock after living here for a year. This next year is gonna be the ticket! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You don't make it to super senior status without learning a thing or two, especially at the number one party school in the nation.

08-17-2010, 11:21 AM
You majoring in BusAd or Marketing?

08-17-2010, 02:15 PM
Changed major from Intl Business and Japanese to Japanese and Linguistics. However I really liked marketing, as well as management, and finance is more of a necessary evil. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You go to state?

08-17-2010, 07:02 PM
Just knew some types for whom a party school would be some kind of asset, back in the 70's.