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GSCaptMorgan
12-05-2005, 07:37 PM
I would just like to say Oleg that this is the best sim I have played. The game is pretty on target with the planes.

Also being a coder I relize the frustration of coding. You fix one thing and something else gets messed up.

The HE-111 seemed to have taken to this fall with the new patch. It no longer can operate at 22000 ft(operational altitude)

It is unable to maintain speed at operational altitude or above 4500m.

The climb rate; which should not be spectacular, seems to be also hindered.

The supercharger Two seems useless also, which should be engagable at 3000 to 3500m

I know you have alot on your plate, with an expansion and a new patch.

I know there is something else but it escapes me at this time. If a track will help, I have several to give you.

If this could be addressed or at least looked at, I and many other bomber pilots would appreciate it.

p1ngu666
12-05-2005, 08:28 PM
bombsights dont track right, and the he111 handles like the tailwheel is on ice when on the ground http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

LEXX_Luthor
12-05-2005, 10:30 PM
Yes!

I too have problems with He-111 performance, and it can't climb to altitude.

Oleg .. please fix http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Wellcome to Forgotten Board GSCaptMorgan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

airjunkie
12-05-2005, 10:39 PM
sticky brakes here

JG53Hunter
12-05-2005, 11:01 PM
Yes, performance has been reduced. I didnt do any tests but i fly the He111 alot and i could feel the difference. Would be nice, if Oleg and his team would have a look at it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@ p1ngu666

The bombsight of the He111 and the B25 works fine for me. You have to know what youre doing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I havent done any high alt bombing since 4.0 but i did a run at 3400 and it was ok.
Once i build myself a mission with the He111 and a target Factory on a place visible from high up (Churchplace). I was able to hit it from ~9500 (airstart @10k, old patch) using the bombsight.

GSCaptMorgan
12-06-2005, 12:39 AM
Thanks for the welcome, this is my second post on this board.

My first post got deleted when I commented on something else

Jetbuff
12-06-2005, 03:40 AM
While the He-111's performance has dropped, it can still reach 8000m on 25% fuel and a bombload other than the 2x2000kg one. Mind you, 25% fuel is approximately 1000 litres so you can stay airborne for roughly 2 hours on that loadout. You need to switch to 80% mix at 3500m, supercharger 2 at 4000m, mix to 60% at 5500m and stay above 210kph IAS throughout the climb. With the 2x2000kg bombs or 50% fuel you will likely top out just below 7000m.

msalama
12-06-2005, 04:19 AM
...and the he111 handles like the tailwheel is on ice when on the ground

P1ngu,

There're a couple of things to note here.

The level of realism in IL-2 is of course debatable, but the game is nevertheless realistic enough to mandate the use of some RL piloting procedures at all times if one wants to succeed. One of these is how one taxiies taildraggers with castoring nose- or tailwheels. Are you aware of this, and do you know how heavy(ish) multi-engine taildraggers are taxiied IRL?

Or are you one of those Air-Quake guys who just push the throttles to the firewall and then b1tch and moan about some planes being "impossible" to handle?

actionhank1786
12-06-2005, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...and the he111 handles like the tailwheel is on ice when on the ground

P1ngu,

There're a couple of things to note here.

The level of realism in IL-2 is of course debatable, but the game is nevertheless realistic enough to mandate the use of some RL piloting procedures at all times if one wants to succeed. One of these is how one taxiies taildraggers with castoring nose- or tailwheels. Are you aware of this, and do you know how heavy(ish) multi-engine taildraggers are taxiied IRL?

Or are you one of those Air-Quake guys who just push the throttles to the firewall and then b1tch and moan about some planes being "impossible" to handle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey now, let's not get offensive.

p1ngu666
12-06-2005, 06:25 AM
care to go taxi a he111?

its the easiest plane to ground loop, the plane rotates so easily, and yes im aware of how big aircraft taxi irl, seen wartime bomber command footage, the taxiways arent much bigger than the width of the wheels and lancs didnt appear to be doing rallycross.

with he111 it starts to roate and u simiply cant correct it, round you go.

hunter, i know so little about the bombsight i made a instructional video on howto use it a few days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
u cant input a speed at the start of run and have the bombs drop in right place, constant adustment is needed

maybe it tracks right at very high alt, but the 4000 to 2000metre range, it doesnt

msalama
12-06-2005, 07:36 AM
Hey now, let's not get offensive.

My apologies. Getting offensive wasn't my intention at all. I just sometimes get a little weary of punters complaining about X/Y/Z, when in reality the culprit is very often THEM, _not_ the plane!

And my apologies to P1ngu as well, because I most definitely did NOT mean to insult him in any way.

However...


care to go taxi a he111?

Been there, done that. I've flown the He-111 maybe 3 or 4 times, and my impression so far is that the plane's ground behaviour is pretty much OK in the context of this game. You just have to be VERY careful with your differential power when taxiing the bugger, that's all.

But then again, there's of course no way of determining its _exact_ level of correctness in this regard, and it _is_ probably somewhat off like pretty much everything else in this game. Still, its behaviour _does_ fall in line (at least broadly) with how RL heavy(ish) taildraggers behave, thus _mandating_ the use of CORRECT differential power and braking techniques at ALL times!

So once again, be careful with those throttles in there. Because y'see, a plane this heavy has a BIG store of kinetic E potential - and inertia too - which of course makes it very vulnerable to over-throttling. Yeah, you don't seem to turn at all, so you apply some liberal differential throttle... and all of a sudden you notice that you're turning pretty fast indeed, but because of all this mass you're now unable to stop... Sounds familiar?


...lancs didnt appear to be doing rallycross.

Maybe not. But those pilots _knew_ how to use these taxiing techniques CORRECTLY, no?

But in conclusion - yeah, well, of course it's very much possible that our Heinkel is a wee bit overdone in this regard. Which, OTOH, leaves us with a problem of _PROVING_ it indeed is...

Meanwhile, just try to handle the bugger with all the respect it demands, OK?

Jetbuff
12-06-2005, 10:12 AM
While I too think the He111's pirouhetting is a bit overdone, I believe I read somewhere here a quote regarding how the fact that the main gear was so far forward in the He-111 predisposing it to this odd behaviour. i.e. it seemed to be an exaggeration of a realistic trait of the Heinkel; rear Cg > huge angle of moment when turning abruptly.

Disclaimer: my memory on this is rather shaky and I do not wish to propagate a myth if I was mistaken. Hopefully, the original author, or someone else with more info on the topic can clarify.

GSCaptMorgan
12-07-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
While the He-111's performance has dropped, it can still reach 8000m on 25% fuel and a bombload other than the 2x2000kg one. Mind you, 25% fuel is approximately 1000 litres so you can stay airborne for roughly 2 hours on that loadout. You need to switch to 80% mix at 3500m, supercharger 2 at 4000m, mix to 60% at 5500m and stay above 210kph IAS throughout the climb. With the 2x2000kg bombs or 50% fuel you will likely top out just below 7000m.

Jetbut, when is the last time you flew this plane, bud.

I know what it is capable of and what is not it.

at 3500 meters super charge two doesn't work.

I have had it up to 6000m and it drops out of the sky like a rock.

You can't maintain airspead.

So don't read to me the manual. Fly the thing and send me a trak of it not droping.

I will send you one of mine.

BTW my tailwheel is locked and straight. I think a couple hundred hours in the plane I know what I talking about.

Jetbuff
12-07-2005, 11:15 PM
I fly it regularly. Flew it 3 times this week including tonight. And yes, supercharger won't give you a performance boost at 3500m - that's too low, only engage it above angels 4. I never trusted the manual and found out the hard way (trial and error) what the important switch altitudes were. (still not sure were best to go to 60% mix, I just know it's between 5000 and 6000m)

I'll send you the track, H-6, starts at 6000, 25% fuel + 2xSC1000, I climb to 6190 for my drop and level out. The H-2 is better because of lighter and less draggy internal bombload. With it, 6000m is beyond routine. Just PM me your email.

As a bonus, you'll see me nail a moving escort carrier from that altitude.

And I really hope you mis-spelt my nick unintentionally! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

p1ngu666
12-08-2005, 04:07 AM
i change mix when theres brown smoke coming from exhausts, and supercharger stage when theres a boost in ata pressure by .2-3 ata

Jetbuff
12-08-2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i change mix when theres brown smoke coming from exhausts, and supercharger stage when theres a boost in ata pressure by .2-3 ata
I generally find that changing mix at the smoke point is a bit too late and experiment (usually in close formation with a wingman) starting at ~500m below the smoke-inducing altitude. The problem is, the climb-rate is so slow above 5000m it is really hard to tell if you gained any power or not relative to your wingman.

As for supercharger, I found that out again, in formation, by switching to supercharger 2 while my wingman stayed at stage 1. I overran him quickly when I did so at angels 4 (and precisely angels 4) and could even hear the change in engine performance.