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alphalvr
07-27-2006, 02:29 AM
hi using this 1938 hurri` on complex managment and wondering what he best settings roughly are.

ie top speed, climb, cruise

i only ask as it seems to perform as good at 80% throttle as it does at 110% (if not better)

thanks guys

oh also the air mixture settings only seem to be 100 and 120% is that right?

Breeze147
07-27-2006, 06:15 AM
Yes, 80% throttle and 80% prop pitch are excellent settings in the Hurri. The Hurri is a very good bird for the pre-1940 era. It's major drawback is it's puny armament.

Grue_
07-27-2006, 06:32 AM
It's major drawback is it's puny armament.

If anyone fired eight .303's at me I'd poo myself. Puny in this game maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

RCAF_Irish_403
07-27-2006, 07:04 AM
Hurricanes in General: 120% Fuel mix on take-off

Supercharger stage 2 on take off and during combat

JG53Frankyboy
07-27-2006, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by RCAF_Irish_403:
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Supercharger stage 2 on take off and during combat

not in the Hurricane version the topicstarter asked for http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dtools4fools
07-27-2006, 08:45 AM
puny armament.

??? Go closer. Convergence at 150m.
Heinkels and Ju88 will go down. Smoke and bunr their engines!
*****

alphalvr
07-27-2006, 09:42 AM
thanks for the info on the supercharger, i was wondering why that didnt work as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

yes im using it on the `battle of britain hurricane season` missions, i quite like it, (i prefer the i-16 although landing the i-16 is tough cuz i cant see, in fact so is going down the runway on takeoff untill the tail rises) but it seems like a good bird.

the 303`s are a bit weak against the bombers im being pitted against but i guess ill get better when i can set myself up to aim at the weak spots.

any ideas/suggestions on best climb settings (80/80???) and the best angle of climb and speed to maintain the climb????

with that bit of info ill be set http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ta guys

Divine-Wind
07-27-2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Grue_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's major drawback is it's puny armament.

If anyone fired eight .303's at me I'd poo myself. Puny in this game maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think Oleg is biased against Allied aircraft in this game. All our weapons are porked up beyond all recognition (PUBAR!) while the Axis guns are inconcievably strong.

And of course every Blue pilot is saying the same thing about our guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

JG5_UnKle
07-27-2006, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
And of course every Blue pilot is saying the same thing about our guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Nah, "Learn to Shoot" that's what all those Blue pilots are saying...

JG5_UnKle
07-27-2006, 11:59 AM
damn, wrong login...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

leitmotiv
07-27-2006, 03:10 PM
I special ordered the PILOT'S NOTES for the Hurricane I from the RAF Museum in order to learn how to get the maximum out of the airplane:

(1) Take off: trim tabs neutral, mixture rich, pitch fine, flaps up

(2) "The best climbing speed at full throttle for all loadings is...170 m.p.h. A.S.I. with a constant speed airscrew [I am assuming the sim Hur I's DeHavilland airscrew is of the type modified to be constant speed, if not, the air speed should be 157mph], up to 10,000 ft. after which a reduction of 1 m.p.h. for each additional 1,000 ft. should be made."

(3) "All-out level flight.- For this condition of flight the throttle is fully forward, with the mixture control back at RICH. At these settings the r.p.m. must not exceed 3,000 and the boost +6 1/4 lb./sq.in.; the r.p.m. must not be maintained for periods of more than five minutes. All-out level flight should only be used in an emergency. With a constant speed controlled airscrew it will be necessary in order to attain the maximum r.p.m. to move the 'pitch' control slowly forward, almost fully, afterwards bringing it back slightly if the r.p.m. tend to rise above the limit.

Maximum cruising (Mixture control RICH).- The boost must not exceed +4 1/2 lb./sq.in. and the r.p.m. 2,600.

Note.- (The mixture control must be in the RICH position at any boost in excess of +2 1/4 lb./sq.in.)

Maximum cruising (Mixture control WEAK).- This condition of flight may be employed at any altitude down to sea level, but the r.p.m. must not exceed 2,600 and the boost +2 1/4 lb./sq. in. With a constant speed airscrew the pitch control lever should be set to give about 2,400 r.p.m. and the throttle set to give +2 1/4 lb./sq.in. boost, if operation at maximum condition is necessary.

Most economical cruising (Mixture control WEAK).- The lowest fuel consumption is obtained with the mixture control in the WEAK position and by throttling down the engine to the lowest speed at which the aeroplane will fly level with the engine running smoothly. This, however, will not give most miles per gallon on a long distance flight, which in normal conditions usually requires a slightly higher speed than that for lowest fuel consumption. With a constant speed airscrew, the r.p.m. should be maintained at approximately 1,900."

As for getting the most out of your eight .303s, do what the real pilots learned to do in the Battle of France, set convergence for 100 meters, and only shoot at point-blank range. 109s and 110s Will not be able to withstand this concentrated firepower. Attack bombers from ahead, as the most experienced Hurricane squadron, No.111, did, and aim for the cockpits. Avoid six o'clock attacks on bombers, and, if you can't hit them from ahead, hit them with high side attacks which set up an impossible aiming solution for the gunners due to the rate of range change.

One more thing, the Maddox Hurricane I has to constantly be trimmed for pitch (elevator trim) with every speed change. This is exactly right, as noted by the pilots who fly vintage Hurricane Is. In fact the Maddox Hur I is probably too stable after a speed change. The real airplane apparently bobbled up and down until re-trimmed---the Maddox Hur I just pitches up after a speed change.

Irish_Rogues
07-27-2006, 03:17 PM
Wow, that is really cool info leitmotiv. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

alphalvr
07-27-2006, 08:03 PM
i dont find its fast enough for slashing attacks on bombers (ubkess i spend hours at it) unless i had a hight advantage at the start, but when in a mission my ai sqaud leader doesnt go for hight and if i run off i get told off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

im up against bf 109`s atm and i just cant get near them....they outrun and outclimb me grrr

still love it though im sure ill get better

ta for the informative reading http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


i drpped my convergeance to 200m, i start firing at 300. ay 200 and less stukas burst into flames quite easily....im quite good against stukas atm....everything else is a hassle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


if any fancy makig me a `track` showing themselves taking out bf109s on ful real starting at a disadvantage or level so i can learn id appreciate it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
07-27-2006, 08:11 PM
If you are in a situation where you must attack from six o'clock, imitate the AI Hurricanes and shoot as you close on the bomber "tenderizing" it as you approach. Maybe you will slow it down with engine or fuel tank hits. Not a healthy way to go after bombers.

alphalvr
07-27-2006, 08:31 PM
the ai ones seem to whizz up nd down through the formation where as i can only just keep up in a straight line (ok i admit i am a bit faster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Lowenherz
07-28-2006, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by alphalvr:

im up against bf 109`s atm and i just cant get near them....they outrun and outclimb me grrr



Yes, they will - they have a great rate of climb, but the Hurricane has a much better turning circle. For essential reading, buy Paul Richey's "Fighter Pilot", his account of No.1 Squadron in France. They bagged plenty of 109s.

And thanks for those great quotes, Leitmotiv. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

alphalvr
07-28-2006, 07:38 AM
oh i see, its weird after flying the i-16 i must admit i didnt think the hurricane felt like a turner, not only that i felt turning was bleeding off tons of speed??

ive obviousy beendoing it wrong, great, thanks for advice.

Xiolablu3
07-28-2006, 08:32 AM
It does turn well, but like you say, not for long.

The energy bleeds quickly in the turn.

It also has a vicious stall, not gentle like the Spit or 109.

If you are turning hard closre to the deck, watch your speed like a HAwk and check it doesnt drop below 240kph otherwise it will viciously stall and drop a wing, leading to you crashing into the ground.

You will se the speed dropping in the turn, if it gets to 240-250kph, loosen off the turn or you will stall.

Of course this is not so vital if you have enough height to recover. BUt stalling close to the ground in a Hurricane is lethal.

Try and use energy tactics and teamwork. If you get someone on your six then call for help and run towards your base.

alphalvr
07-28-2006, 12:48 PM
thanks im going to give these tips a shot now

thanks guys

alphalvr
07-28-2006, 04:27 PM
wonderful, you guys are most helpful.....i was replying to a post....but its gone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

thanks anyway dude

Xiolablu3
07-28-2006, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by alphalvr:
i dont find its fast enough for slashing attacks on bombers (ubkess i spend hours at it) unless i had a hight advantage at the start, but when in a mission my ai sqaud leader doesnt go for hight and if i run off i get told off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

im up against bf 109`s atm and i just cant get near them....they outrun and outclimb me grrr

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif #


What you need to do is climb,climb climb as soon as the mission starts. Get as high as you possibly can, becasue height=speed.

Try and keep your alt advantage by making B&Z attacks so that you can make slashing attacks and climb back up.

If you can stay above, then you can be faster than the 109's when you dive and catch them easily.

Try not to go on prolonged chases after 109's. If you miss the shot then dont turn to stay with him, climb back up to your lofty perch and make them climb to get you. When they do, hit them as they climb.

Its pretty fruitless trying to TnB with the 109's as you will soon become slower and lower than them, which makes you a sitting duck.

If you are higher than them, their speed advantage means little, except for them to escape.

If you are patient, and can get a 1000m advantage in height before he start of the fight, you should be able to keep them on the back foot. Always attack the highest one, as that is the most dangerous.

As has been said before, if you shoot at very close range, the 303's are pretty good. Be content with a smoking or damaged 109, dont go on a prolonged chase trying to put him down. You will be chased by other 109's which are faster than you.

Hurri vs 109E is tough, but you will learn a lot from trying it. Try and stay in the vertical.

Come and try the Singapore Hurricane vs Oscar map on UKded2. That will teach you how to use the Hurricane well. Teamwork and Energy fighting works best.

alphalvr
07-29-2006, 05:51 AM
cheers man ill pop on that server http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ill try what you are saying, like i say though to climb i have to break away from my wing leader......and he doesnt like that `what the hell!!!`

regards

Xiolablu3
07-29-2006, 06:08 AM
Start the campaign as squadron leader http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You will have lots of planes following you everywhere http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif