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Ken_Det
09-09-2006, 07:25 PM
He got a late start in the war but had some interesting things to say.
He was dressed in his white uniform, and is part of the Luffwaffe reinactment group.
To bad they did not do there thing at the Flying Cloud Air port show.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgDxAmQYJQKo*Q5ALVOQJ7xpPrSy*2ZDWO2eQetCM9sGgqwQN SB0alPHraY5gOrPB0JNvxuly1mAO!OviamSrEeNNjNHzzRsHMH rBi*D18gS8DQi!E!QLeOZOb3Tv3Ly/Picture%20391.jpg?dc=4675588776437431510
Some nose art.
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2 Stang's.
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LStarosta
09-09-2006, 08:18 PM
It's been said the dude's a fake...

Ken_Det
09-09-2006, 11:11 PM
A fake, I dont know about that, but all the photo's of him through out his life including him in the Hitler yuth, flight school, and others shure looked like him.
Not to mention his well verst speeking of German.

Pirschjaeger
09-09-2006, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
It's been said the dude's a fake...

Explain please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Xiolablu3
09-09-2006, 11:31 PM
'Although I have followed this thread from time to time so far I did not feel inclined to enter the discussion as I simply don't have the time to dive any deeper in this matter for instance by contacting the BA at Aachen Kornelim√ľnster to check the personal file of said Leutnant Dulias. And quite frankly from what I can see on this thread it doesn't trigger any bit of of interest to spend my time looking for information on a Lt. Dulias.

From what I have gathered so far I can only offer my personal and private opinion and that is that I don't believe a word of the "career" of this Leutnant; may be he was with the Luftwaffe and even JG 53 as some part of the ground staff and may be he was a Russian POW but so far I have found no piece of information that would lend any credibility to his story.

Having spoken to many former fighter pilots in my time it strikes me that in his account "Lt." Dulias never mentions any names of his Kommandeur, his Staffelkapit√¬§n, his Kaczmarek or his close friends. Nor does he become specific about the unit he flew with - I can hardly remember any of the veterans I have spoken with in the past who didn't recall what Staffel he belonged to because the Staffel was their - if I may put it this way - home and family.

Then it strikes me that the locations where he - according to his story - saw combat do not really match with JG 53. No part of JG 53 was ever stationed at Aachen and it would be very odd to name Aachen instead of the Feldflugpl√¬§tze and Einsatzh√¬§fen from which III./JG 53 did actually operate during this time. There were other prominent places closer to the respective airfields. North of Budapest doesn't convince me either. If he were with that unit he must have been first with III./JG 53 and later with I./JG 53. I don't know of many pilots who were posted in this direction during this time.

Two Spitfires in the West without any further information - how to comment on that. Three I-16 Ratas in the East in January / February 1945 seems totally unbelieveable and as such was hardly a question of mis-identification; if it were a case of the latter, then other pilots of I./JG 53 would also have claimed Ratas around this time which in fact they didn't. Or were those Ratas reserved for Lt. Dulias ?

So at the end of the day to me it all appears to be a badly pieced together fabricated "combat career" the like of which we have seen before. The reaction of "Leutnant" Dulias not to enter into this dicussion and not to offer any tangible proof for his story doesn't really add to his credibility. But, again, this is just my personal point of view and I would not have any problem to make my excuses to Mr. Dulias if he were able to give appropriate substance to his extraordinary exploits.

All the best

Jochen Prien'


http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=1947

Pirschjaeger
09-09-2006, 11:47 PM
Interesting. I wonder if he might have something to hide.

Fritz

Xiolablu3
09-10-2006, 12:19 AM
Jochen Prien has written the definitive tome on Jg53 and has never heard of him. 3 books , in detail, showing the pilots/leaders/personel etc, one book is even dedicated to 1944-45, the time this guy says he served.

3 I16's in 1945 sounds fishy even to me - Were the Russians even using the i16 in 1944?

I think its safe to say, this guy is a fraud, I am afraid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://stevenbaffa.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/0764305565.gif

Sintubin
09-10-2006, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by Ken_Det:
He got a late start in the war but had some interesting things to say.
He was dressed in his white uniform, and is part of the Luffwaffe reinactment group.
To bad they did not do there thing at the Flying Cloud Air port show.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgDxAmQYJQKo*Q5ALVOQJ7xpPrSy*2ZDWO2eQetCM9sGgqwQN SB0alPHraY5gOrPB0JNvxuly1mAO!OviamSrEeNNjNHzzRsHMH rBi*D18gS8DQi!E!QLeOZOb3Tv3Ly/Picture%20391.jpg?dc=4675588776437431510
Some nose art.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgAAAGYYqgKo*Q5ALVOQJ3QCVTKmVmQ8XeLon7R7yvle9yTSD V0KDJTqYyrZdeVrTSHpQ5weGUaNhym9MMPbMq71ujoi!XCUUj! z62ZUDOpZdHoqhvEMXYrqf!8ooktf/Picture%20366.jpg?dc=4675588777862453937
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2 Stang's.
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Hi

I personaly never heard of him but wil chek it out .... wil let you now in some few time

Sintubin
09-10-2006, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Jochen Prien has written the definitive tome on Jg53 and has never heard of him. 3 books , in detail, showing the pilots/leaders/personel etc, one book is even dedicated to 1944-45, the time this guy says he served.

3 I16's in 1944 sounds fishy even to me - Were the Russians even using the i16 in 1944?

I think its safe to say, this guy is a fraud, I am afraid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://stevenbaffa.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/0764305565.gif

Yes

Jochen prien maded 3 books of the aces of spades akai PIKAS squadron

His books or not cheap but THE BEST on PIKAS info-members-planes-taktiek

here is a pikas pilot veteran

H√¬∂hnisch Heinrich Uffz 'I guppe' 6 confirmed air viktory's former POW, bailed out over england

clik to enlarge
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3130/hhnischheinrichtalkingtousinahotelatoppenheimgu1.t h.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hhnischheinrichtalkingtousinahotelato ppenheimgu1.jpg) Here is he talking to us in a hotel at oppenheim 2005


clik to enlarge
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here is he posing in front of a bf 109G4 bether now as red 7 2005

click to enlarge
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6070/inthemiddleisthesonofhhnischheinrichwithmaponthele ftabu2.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inthemiddleisthesonofhhnischheinrichw ithmapontheleftabu2.jpg)
In the middle is the son of H√¬∂hnisch Heinrich With map, on the left Abbuze, right Leo 2005

his son is in pikas squadron too

much regards

Rudo Sintubin

KIMURA
09-10-2006, 05:54 AM
That's at Oppenheim Airshow last year, isnt it?

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6070/inthemiddleisthesonofhhnischheinrichwithmaponthele ftabu2.th.jpg

KIMURA
09-10-2006, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
3 I16's in 1944 sounds fishy even to me - Were the Russians even using the i16 in 1944?


Yes they did. Even in Feb-March 45 the Russians used I-16 as liason a/c and for communication between their frontline units. My father himself saw a I-16 landing nearby his refugee treck bringing important docs to near Russian units.

JG52Uther
09-10-2006, 06:02 AM
Click on that last picture,see the red caps on the right? Thats me! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KIMURA
09-10-2006, 06:53 AM
there are 2 red caps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Abbuzze
09-10-2006, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by KIMURA:
That's at Oppenheim Airshow last year, isnt it?



Yes it is - and I‚¬īm looking so unbelievable fat at this picture http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I‚¬īm not looking like a gazelle, but this picture is realy disadvantageous for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Was a great meeting but so incredible hot. I wanted to stay there over night but go a light sunstroke.

The 109 pilot was celebrated like a popstar when he pushed his canopy to the side. Shouting and cheering by the audience. Hope the Red 7 will fly soon again.

JG52Uther
09-10-2006, 06:59 AM
It was a great show,I met up with 3 other squadmates,and we camped on the banks of the Rhine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JG52Uther/Butcherbirds.jpg

KIMURA
09-10-2006, 07:00 AM
as I walked back to the parking (together with my fam) Red 7 came in on final just as I passed the runway on the end. Red 7 passed over our heads at maybe 6-10 meter...........the sound of the engine was only matched by the Spit XIX on starting.

You're right Oppenheim was the most hot climate airshow I ever experienced - I guess some 38‚?C. I'm sure without our http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif largescale parasol we would been cooked.

Sintubin
09-10-2006, 12:36 PM
[QU OTE]Originally posted by KIMURA:
That's at Oppenheim Airshow last year, isnt it?

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6070/inthemiddleisthesonofhhnischheinrichwithmaponthele ftabu2.th.jpg [/QUOTE]

yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sintubin
09-10-2006, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Ken_Det:
A fake, I dont know about that, but all the photo's of him through out his life including him in the Hitler yuth, flight school, and others shure looked like him.
Not to mention his well verst speeking of German.

Comfirmed he is real http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Sintubin
09-10-2006, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
'Although I have followed this thread from time to time so far I did not feel inclined to enter the discussion as I simply don't have the time to dive any deeper in this matter for instance by contacting the BA at Aachen Kornelim√ľnster to check the personal file of said Leutnant Dulias. And quite frankly from what I can see on this thread it doesn't trigger any bit of of interest to spend my time looking for information on a Lt. Dulias.

From what I have gathered so far I can only offer my personal and private opinion and that is that I don't believe a word of the "career" of this Leutnant; may be he was with the Luftwaffe and even JG 53 as some part of the ground staff and may be he was a Russian POW but so far I have found no piece of information that would lend any credibility to his story.

Having spoken to many former fighter pilots in my time it strikes me that in his account "Lt." Dulias never mentions any names of his Kommandeur, his Staffelkapit√¬§n, his Kaczmarek or his close friends. Nor does he become specific about the unit he flew with - I can hardly remember any of the veterans I have spoken with in the past who didn't recall what Staffel he belonged to because the Staffel was their - if I may put it this way - home and family.

Then it strikes me that the locations where he - according to his story - saw combat do not really match with JG 53. No part of JG 53 was ever stationed at Aachen and it would be very odd to name Aachen instead of the Feldflugpl√¬§tze and Einsatzh√¬§fen from which III./JG 53 did actually operate during this time. There were other prominent places closer to the respective airfields. North of Budapest doesn't convince me either. If he were with that unit he must have been first with III./JG 53 and later with I./JG 53. I don't know of many pilots who were posted in this direction during this time.

Two Spitfires in the West without any further information - how to comment on that. Three I-16 Ratas in the East in January / February 1945 seems totally unbelieveable and as such was hardly a question of mis-identification; if it were a case of the latter, then other pilots of I./JG 53 would also have claimed Ratas around this time which in fact they didn't. Or were those Ratas reserved for Lt. Dulias ?

So at the end of the day to me it all appears to be a badly pieced together fabricated "combat career" the like of which we have seen before. The reaction of "Leutnant" Dulias not to enter into this dicussion and not to offer any tangible proof for his story doesn't really add to his credibility. But, again, this is just my personal point of view and I would not have any problem to make my excuses to Mr. Dulias if he were able to give appropriate substance to his extraordinary exploits.

All the best

Jochen Prien'


http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=1947



he is real

Xiolablu3
09-10-2006, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Sintubin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ken_Det:
A fake, I dont know about that, but all the photo's of him through out his life including him in the Hitler yuth, flight school, and others shure looked like him.
Not to mention his well verst speeking of German.

Comfirmed he is real http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is good to know mate, where did you find out about him?

luftluuver
09-10-2006, 01:18 PM
Not this fraud Dulias again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

His 'story' has so many large holes in it 2 supertankers could pass side by side with enough room for another to pass between them.

Didn't the pompeous Goering like to wear white uniforms?

Xiolablu3
09-10-2006, 01:21 PM
So you are sure he ins not real too LL?


PS are you going to get online soon?

luftluuver
09-10-2006, 01:24 PM
Xio, yes will get online sometime soon but still am not set up.

Ken_Det
09-10-2006, 01:34 PM
If there was no I16 flown late in the war why was my flight group escorted by 2 of them a few missions ago in Forgotten Battles Soviet pilot career in mid 1944 ?
Some more photos of the B17.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgAAAGAYEgGo*Q5ALVOQJxzh6Gf*hcEv29BBP8VhMOIXRNYdw kPhL6o0myk*MP6eopv!LrxLyiV75NKJzw3eOSXTMEr3g2yyNDh Kr8Vn1k8SZai2dImW1EY3muttiDUL/Picture%20360.jpg?dc=4675588880068374931
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LStarosta
09-10-2006, 02:53 PM
You're right, because Oleg is infallible and anything he puts in the game must be real.

Oleg, please settle this nonesense immediately and include Dulias's Ace Plane into the game so the naysayers can be proven wrong, just like you did that sweet bit about the MG151 sans Minengeschoss.

Xiolablu3
09-10-2006, 04:01 PM
It is actually stated that he shot down 2 I16 in Jan/Feb 1945.

It was ME that thought they were phsed out by 1944.

I am interested to hear any more knowledge on this chap, Dulias. It seems we have two different opinons.

Sintubin, can you tell us where you found out he was real? Seems odd that the manin Choreographer of JG53 has never head of him, and he is an 'Ace' of JG53 with 5 kills?

Xiolablu3
09-10-2006, 04:02 PM
It is actually stated that he shot down 2 I16 in Jan/Feb 1945.

It was ME that thought they were phsed out by 1944.

I am interested to hear any more knowledge on this chap, Dulias. It seems we have two different opinons.

Sintubin, can you tell us where you found out he was real? Seems odd that the main Choreographer of JG53, Jochen Prien, has never heard of him, and he is an 'Ace' of JG53 with 5 kills?

Sintubin
09-10-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
It is actually stated that he shot down 2 I16 in Jan/Feb 1945.

It was ME that thought they were phsed out by 1944.

I am interested to hear any more knowledge on this chap, Dulias. It seems we have two different opinons.

Sintubin, can you tell us where you found out he was real? Seems odd that the main Choreographer of JG53, Jochen Prien, has never heard of him, and he is an 'Ace' of JG53 with 5 kills?

wil do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

other members of pikas are searching too

wil have the 100% answer in some few time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

then there wil be no more discusing for future

gif us some time we wil find it out fur sure lets say :two weeks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The info i get was fast ...
then we wil dig deeper in to it

first asking VETERANS )))

Kuna_
09-10-2006, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
You're right, because Oleg is infallible and anything he puts in the game must be real.

Oleg, please settle this nonesense immediately and include Dulias's Ace Plane into the game so the naysayers can be proven wrong, just like you did that sweet bit about the MG151 sans Minengeschoss. He already put IL-2T in the game so what you're asking shouldn't be a problem. At all.

luftluuver
09-11-2006, 05:49 AM
Yes Xio, he is real for he is strutting around like Goering in a white uniform. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Was he a LW ace? Never!!

Here is a map of II. and III./JG53 bases in mid 1944. Notice the place names and this fraud can't remember any of them, especially Eindhoven.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-12/1114844/JG53bases-Aug44-3.jpg

For dates when at these bases see, http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg53.htm

PBNA-Boosher
09-11-2006, 07:05 AM
Gottfried's a friend of mine! He's got a very interesting backstory. I suggest buying his book. And actually, his claims are 2 Spits, and 3 Ratas.

AdmiralWarlord
09-11-2006, 07:30 AM
I have also visited the same airshow and talked to Dulias. He spoke fluent german and was able to comment on the 109 handling. He told me about the I-16 ratas and he told me about the difficulty of shooting down Il-2s. He also mentioned he began his career in mid-44 in Hungary (of that I am sure). I have some photos and a short clip of him i'll post for now, among others from that airshow.

http://tiiffi.ath.cx/~karjala/100_0453.jpg

http://tiiffi.ath.cx/~karjala/100_0454.jpg

http://tiiffi.ath.cx/~karjala/100_0456a.jpg

http://tiiffi.ath.cx/~karjala/100_0455.MOV (http://tiiffi.ath.cx/%7Ekarjala/100_0455.MOV)

Large photos sorry :P

luftluuver
09-11-2006, 08:14 AM
If you 2 lived at the North Pole you could be sold a freezer. But then there is a sucker born every minute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

From the thread linked to by Xio,

posted by Michael Chorney

Mr. Dulias e-mailed me earlier this week to convey his decision to neither visit this website nor to respond to the questions posed within this thread, which I put forward to him. Too bad that a dialogue could not be established and that it had to end at loggerheads, although it is his view that such an exchange would not be fruitful, and he is most probably correct.

I guess it would not be fruitful as it would expose as the fraud he is.

"In late October of 1944, JG53 was relocated to a base North of Budapest, Hungary."
from http://www.luftwaffereenactors.org/Dulias.htm

Stab/JG53 was based at Darmstadt-Grieheim and Bad Durrheim Germany in Oct 1944

I./JG53 was based at Mezopetri Romania(near Bucharest), Maklar and Mende Hungary in Oct 1944

Maklar and Mende are east of Budapest.

II./JG53 was based at Lorsch Germany in Oct 1944

III./JG53 was based at Paderborn, Gotzenhain and Neuhausen ob Eck Germany in Oct 1944

So Boosher where was this base north of Budapest?

luftluuver
09-11-2006, 10:26 AM
Maybe Boosher you should contact Tony Woods and have him include the Spitfire claim, for it it is not listed in his LW claims list.

No reason for it not to be as it was confirmed, as Lt Browning was a POW.

luftluuver
09-12-2006, 03:41 AM
When did this fraud get the promotion from Leutnant to Oberleutnant?

Fork-N-spoon
09-12-2006, 04:22 AM
It's quite impossible for people in this forum to say whether he's a fake or not. All I care about is if his stories were good, were they? Personality goes a lot farther than experience!

Ken_Det
09-12-2006, 12:52 PM
luftluuver being that you are so good at reading maps you should know that Minnesota is not even close to the north pole, and yes we do have to buy freezers to keep food in.
It gets in the high 90's and up in the summer here fool.
As far as him being a fake no one has proven that yet, and I would like to know.
B25 photo.
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AdmiralWarlord
09-12-2006, 04:13 PM
ken you lucky bastage. I could not make it on the 9th and you had such a clear sky! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The Migs would lift off on the 10th and after 200 meters be lost in the low clouds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

luftluuver
09-12-2006, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Ken_Det:
It gets in the high 90's and up in the summer here fool.
As far as him being a fake no one has proven that yet, and I would like to know. Yup that is why you need freezers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Be suckered for all I care. And you call me a fool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Dulias is a imposter. One can float the American 7th Fleet through the holes in his, err http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif, 'story'. Read the link Xio posted if you want proof.

He had a chance to prove he was not a fraud on the other board but declined. What should that tell you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Yup, his 'story' would have been ripped to teeny-weeny shreads and exposed him for what he truly is.


Fork-N-spoon, you could always read the Caiden books or read about a real LW ace in Lipfert's bio.

AdmiralWarlord
09-12-2006, 04:59 PM
I got his card and assurances he will answer any of my questions. Why not ask him about something he claims to have accomplished? Anyone has any questions I should ask him? :P I-16 ratas in 44-45 ? :P My grandfather flew SUs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

faustnik
09-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Uhhh, regardless of real or fake, he needs to lose the white Goering getup. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

The more I think about it, I can't imagine any LW fighter pilot trying to look like Goering, they hated that guy.

MEGILE
09-12-2006, 05:39 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but how many other Luftwaffe veterans wear white uniforms, and take part in WW2 reconstructions.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-12-2006, 05:40 PM
I was wondering the same thing...

MEGILE
09-12-2006, 05:42 PM
I hate to be vulgar, but do the words "attention" and "*****" spring to anyone elses mind?

luftluuver
09-12-2006, 06:13 PM
"he reports being located "just North of Budapest," and the following: "We had a new Group Commander Hauptmann Helmut Lipfert because our former one had transferred to the new Messerschmitt 262 outfit located in Bavaria.Trouble is Hartmann was his GC(acting) who had replaced Wolfgang Ernst(acting) who had replaced Jurgen Harder who had been killed. Hartmann never transferred to jets and as far as I can find, Ernst didn't either.

So what GC transferred to jets?

Also, I./JG53 was never in Germany late war when Dulias was with JG53 (notice he never gives the Gruppe of JG53 he was with), so how could he have been transferred with JG53 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif to Hungary. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

luftluuver
09-12-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
Uhhh, regardless of real or fake, he needs to lose the white Goering getup. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

The more I think about it, I can't imagine any LW fighter pilot trying to look like Goering, they hated that guy. He does resemble the Fat One Meyer in the posted pic.

AdmiralWarlord
09-12-2006, 07:13 PM
I can ask a relative to look up the availability of Ratas in Hungary in 44.

Ken_Det
09-13-2006, 02:07 AM
Yep, was not a bad day to go.
Cloudy, but high ceiling.
Originally posted by AdmiralWarlord:
ken you lucky bastage. I could not make it on the 9th and you had such a clear sky! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The Migs would lift off on the 10th and after 200 meters be lost in the low clouds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Ken_Det
09-13-2006, 02:22 AM
You really need to read my post that your quoting to better.
My very last line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifsucker http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Just because he declined to get on the boards,and answer question's dont make him a fraud.
I dont think I would want to answer question eather the way you post on this subject.
Uncivil http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ken_Det:
It gets in the high 90's and up in the summer here fool.
As far as him being a fake no one has proven that yet, and I would like to know. Yup that is why you need freezers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Be suckered for all I care. And you call me a fool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Dulias is a imposter. One can float the American 7th Fleet through the holes in his, err http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif, 'story'. Read the link Xio posted if you want proof.

He had a chance to prove he was not a fraud on the other board but declined. What should that tell you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Yup, his 'story' would have been ripped to teeny-weeny shreads and exposed him for what he truly is.


Fork-N-spoon, you could always read the Caiden books or read about a real LW ace in Lipfert's bio. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

luftluuver
09-13-2006, 04:15 AM
Wouldn't be me asking the questions Kenny but well respected authors such as <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Jochien Prien</span> who wrote a VERY good history of JG 53. Another author would be <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">John Manrho</span> who has written the best history of Bodenplatte ever.

I can understand your embarrassment in being taken in by his 'story'. Do your own research if you are capable of doing such. I have given you enough info about holes in his 'story' that you should be questioning his 'story'.

Btw, you should re-read my post as I said "<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">IF</span> you lived at the North Pole".

joeap
09-13-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Fork-N-spoon:
It's quite impossible for people in this forum to say whether he's a fake or not. All I care about is if his stories were good, were they? Personality goes a lot farther than experience!

Well I do care if he was fake. Fakes and their stories are very disrespectful of real vets IMO. It is an abuse of history as well.

Ken_Det
09-14-2006, 03:08 AM
The name's not Kenny, and I'm not imbarrast by getting the singed printout http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Where to begin.
At the air show I was in one of the hangars looking at stuff when I seen this booth with him sitting in it.
A BF109 on a board with all these photo's,and stateing that he was a German fighter pilot from WW2.
I thought ya rite that would not be my luck.
I listen to him talking to some one who's granfather was in the same flight school.
I thought maybe hes lagit being I have not read his book, and had not planed to buy it.
I thought the print singed by him would look good on the wall by my model plane's, and flack guns<88's and sutch.
I read your link, and dont plane to buy the book you are talking about because I'm not that big of a fanatic on the Luftwaffa.
I do have Bf 109 aces of the russian front. Focke-Wulf Fw 190 aces of the Russian front. And Soviet aces of World War 2.
The reason I have these is that I like to know who I'm shooting down in the game Forgotten Battles when I come across them.
Some I shot down in my last Soviet pilot carrear that I'm still twards the end of are Gerhard Hoffmann, Alfed Grislawski, Johannes Steinhoff, Kurt Tanzer, and Dietrch Harbak.
Grant it this carrear is not with out mulagins.
26 of them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I hate when that happends.
You may ask how do I know I shot them down.
By pausing the game when I get a kill, and look at the plane for marking's.
I'm playing it from start to finnish to get use to all the planes pro's,and con's to take my game on line in the up, and coming.
As far as him being a fake I'll wait for Sintubin update on his research.
No offence to you mind you, but dont call me a sucker becase I did not read his story untill tonight( your link wich I thought was for your site if you have one) I would like to know Too.

Originally posted by luftluuver:
Wouldn't be me asking the questions Kenny but well respected authors such as <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Jochien Prien</span> who wrote a VERY good history of JG 53. Another author would be <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">John Manrho</span> who has written the best history of Bodenplatte ever.

I can understand your embarrassment in being taken in by his 'story'. Do your own research if you are capable of doing such. I have given you enough info about holes in his 'story' that you should be questioning his 'story'.

Btw, you should re-read my post as I said "<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">IF</span> you lived at the North Pole".

Pirschjaeger
09-14-2006, 05:11 AM
Hmmm, my father can hardly remember anything of our family's history. Maybe he's a fraud. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Two things that come to mind.

First, many records were destroyed near the end.

Secondly, I think if he were a fraud it could be easiliy proven in Germany. To many in Germany, a fraud regarding WW2 would not be taken lightly.

Sadly, there are many German's that would be glad to see the last vet go.

This is not to say he is or isn't real. I simply wrote this to point out the possibilities.

But up to now in this thread, I've seen no decisive evidence either way.

There is, however, a lot of childish bickering.

Fritz

KIMURA
09-14-2006, 07:52 AM
You can get info about persons who belonged to the German armed forces throughout the 3.Reich from here (english link).
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Wehrmachtsarchive (http://www.dd-wast.de/)

Thijs_JG3
09-14-2006, 12:22 PM
I'm writing a large paper for school ( I'm studying history) about the Dulias story where I compare his book with some other sources.

When it is finnished I will post some of my findings here.
If you guys are intersted ofcource.

luftluuver
09-14-2006, 12:27 PM
Secondly, I think if he were a fraud it could be easiliy proven in Germany. To many in Germany, a fraud regarding WW2 would not be taken lightly. He had a chance to proove he was for real but declined to post on the other board. That says a lot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thijs_JG3, do you have the Prien JG53 book?

Asgeir_Strips
09-14-2006, 01:08 PM
H. Goering had 21 Air to Air kills during ww2.
he even had an iron cross.

faustnik
09-14-2006, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Asgeir_Strips:
H. Goering had 21 Air to Air kills during ww2.
he even had an iron cross.

It didn't stop him from turning on his own men when the going got tough.

luftluuver
09-14-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
In October 1944 there was no German unit anywhere near Bucharest. Actually in October 25 1944 the front line moved away from the last piece of Romanina land in to Hungary. Right Jaws, confused it with Pitesti. Me bad, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif .

I./JG53 was there from 16.9.44 to 7.10.44 according to http://www.ww2.dk/

Village Names:
German: Petrifeld, Petri
Hungarian: Mez√¬≥petri
Official: Petresti

Location:
Country: Romania
Southwest of Carei, which is just inside Romania next to the border with Hungary. This would put it east of Debrecan Hungary.

http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/sathmar.gif

Thijs_JG3
09-14-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Secondly, I think if he were a fraud it could be easiliy proven in Germany. To many in Germany, a fraud regarding WW2 would not be taken lightly. He had a chance to proove he was for real but declined to post on the other board. That says a lot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thijs_JG3, do you have the Prien JG53 book? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The main thing in my report will be comparing herr Dulias his book with part 3 of Prien his JG53 series. I will also try and contact the german pilot organisation for veteran pilots and a brithish one to ask them about a pilot Herr Dulias claimed to have shot down.

AdmiralWarlord
09-15-2006, 07:08 AM
Could you tell me please when exactly (in the book) does he mention seeing I-16 ratas? I can ask a friend to check with some VVS veterans.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Asgeir_Strips:
H. Goering had 21 Air to Air kills during ww2.
he even had an iron cross.

Surely you mean WW1?

Surely Goering could not fly in his condition in WW2?

luftluuver
09-15-2006, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by AdmiralWarlord:
Could you tell me please when exactly (in the book) does he mention seeing I-16 ratas? I can ask a friend to check with some VVS veterans.

"In January and February of 1945, Gottfried shot down 3 Russian ‚‚ā¨ŇďRatas‚‚ā¨¬Ě, Polikarpov I-16‚‚ā¨ôs. Even though the I-16 was a much older aircraft, dating to Spanish Civil War days, the Russians needed to use whatever they could in their on-going battle with the Luftwaffe.

During another dogfight with a Rata on March 4, 1945, Gottfried hit the Russian plane‚‚ā¨ôs gas tank.

http://www.luftwaffereenactors.org/Dulias.htm

DuxCorvan
09-15-2006, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Asgeir_Strips:
H. Goering had 21 Air to Air kills during ww2.
he even had an iron cross.

WW1, lad. He replaced Richthofen as head of his "Flying Circus" Jagdstaffel. He won not only the Iron Cross, but also the Pour-le-Mérite (Blue Max). He was a damn ace flying a white Fokker D.VII.

In WW2, he could hardly fly a fighter: he was terribly fat and had a very vicious painful wound since, I think, the failed 1923 'Putsch'.

Anyway, he went on gaining medals, including the Knight Cross with full menu: diamonds, swords, oak leaves, etc, etc. He won them in the best way: he conceded them himself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Jaws2002
09-15-2006, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
In October 1944 there was no German unit anywhere near Bucharest. Actually in October 25 1944 the front line moved away from the last piece of Romanina land in to Hungary. Right Jaws, confused it with Pitesti. Me bad, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif .

I./JG53 was there from 16.9.44 to 7.10.44 according to http://www.ww2.dk/

Village Names:
German: Petrifeld, Petri
Hungarian: Mez√¬≥petri
Official: Petresti

Location:
Country: Romania
Southwest of Carei, which is just inside Romania next to the border with Hungary. This would put it east of Debrecan Hungary.

http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/sathmar.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry. I realised after I posted that you said they moved in Hungary in October 44. My bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Spinnetti
09-15-2006, 08:44 PM
where was the show?

Ken_Det
09-15-2006, 11:16 PM
If your asking about the air show it was at Flying Cloud Airport Spinnetti.

Ken_Det
09-16-2006, 12:09 AM
The book I have (Bf 109 Aces of the Russian Front) states that Staffelkapitan Hauptmann Helmut Lipfert of 6./JG 52 assumed command of I./JG 53 on February 15th 1945.
Hartmann was taken off operational flying at the begining of March 1945, and ordered to report to Lechfeld for conversion training on the Me 262.
Hartmann turned down Adolf Galland's subsequent invitation to join his elite JV 44, opting instead to return to I./JG 52 in the east as requeted in a telegram from Oberstleutnant Hermann Graf.
That might be where he got the Me 262 thing from.
Hard to say, but there was a lot of transfers going on because of the rappid advance of the Soviet in the last months of the war.
Hartmann was a tempoorary acting Kommandeur of I./JG 53, and got his only none JG 52 kill on February 4th 1945.
A Yak 9.
Originally posted by luftluuver:
"he reports being located "just North of Budapest," and the following: "We had a new Group Commander Hauptmann Helmut Lipfert because our former one had transferred to the new Messerschmitt 262 outfit located in Bavaria.Trouble is Hartmann was his GC(acting) who had replaced Wolfgang Ernst(acting) who had replaced Jurgen Harder who had been killed. Hartmann never transferred to jets and as far as I can find, Ernst didn't either.

So what GC transferred to jets?

Also, I./JG53 was never in Germany late war when Dulias was with JG53 (notice he never gives the Gruppe of JG53 he was with), so how could he have been transferred with JG53 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif to Hungary. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

luftluuver
09-24-2006, 05:35 AM
Came across this on another board questioning Dulias' claim of I-16s.

Comrade *Zulufox* from luftarchiv.info called the chairman of the traditional association of JG 53 with the result, that a Lt. Gottfried P. Dulias is <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">definitely unknown</span> to them.

Ken_Det
09-30-2006, 01:51 PM
Still waiting for <span class="ev_code_RED">sintubin</span> to chim in on this matter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0awDjAs0hRGJqb*40*iiYV1wieOayI!hzAIM9oLFTik0f9x!A8 TbVgKfF4LtXZR4YlNAaYfD!cry0EZqd1YUVq0w!92w*nF2X8dq cJv78x7krY!5QPDBRD1SWt3UjpCn8atZi7tiApyXxbS0W!0AnI 9NB1u37t61e/iviewcapture_date_17_09_2006_time_18_51_59.jpg?dc= 4675590589689199709

joeap
10-09-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Ken_Det:
Still waiting for <span class="ev_code_RED">sintubin</span> to chim in on this matter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0awDjAs0hRGJqb*40*iiYV1wieOayI!hzAIM9oLFTik0f9x!A8 TbVgKfF4LtXZR4YlNAaYfD!cry0EZqd1YUVq0w!92w*nF2X8dq cJv78x7krY!5QPDBRD1SWt3UjpCn8atZi7tiApyXxbS0W!0AnI 9NB1u37t61e/iviewcapture_date_17_09_2006_time_18_51_59.jpg?dc= 4675590589689199709

Yes any news??

Hoarmurath
10-09-2006, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdmiralWarlord:
Could you tell me please when exactly (in the book) does he mention seeing I-16 ratas? I can ask a friend to check with some VVS veterans.

"In January and February of 1945, Gottfried shot down 3 Russian ‚‚ā¨ŇďRatas‚‚ā¨¬Ě, Polikarpov I-16‚‚ā¨ôs. Even though the I-16 was a much older aircraft, dating to Spanish Civil War days, the Russians needed to use whatever they could in their on-going battle with the Luftwaffe.

During another dogfight with a Rata on March 4, 1945, Gottfried hit the Russian plane‚‚ā¨ôs gas tank.

http://www.luftwaffereenactors.org/Dulias.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The I-16 claim could be a misidentification, but just so you don't waste any more time with the "there were no more I-16 flying in 1945", A number of I-16 flew over moscow to celebrate the victory over the reich. Both UTI and single seat.

If you want to prove him wrong, you'll have to find something else, there were still I-16 flying in 1945.

russ.nl
10-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Guilty!! unless proven otherwise.

luftluuver
10-09-2006, 03:18 PM
Hoarmurath

If Jochen Prien who wrote the extensive 3 vol. history of JG53 and the chairman of the traditional association of JG 53 can find no record of this imposter, then that is what he is.

Sure there was I-16s flying in the SU, BUT they weren't front line fighters on the EF. There was still in Siberia at the time.

You got any Soviet OoB for the area? The Soviets had no need for second class fighters in 1945 with the excellent fighters they had.

Read the thread as I have shown all kinds of holes in is 'story'.