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Waldo.Pepper
11-02-2006, 02:20 PM
Not really intending to spam the board with ANOTHER similar thread, but I also didn't want to drag my big muddy boots through someone elses topic either.

Sadly I am in need of a new video card. It must be AGP, as I am not replacing the motherboard for a year or two, not until I need to really.

I have kind of settled on the ATI x1600 with 512meg. I can get this for $158 CAD.

The retailer I deal with is local, and they are really good guys. They will let me taker her home and horse around with the card for a while, and if I don't care for it I can always return it and get something else hassle free.

So share opinions/experiences if you have any.

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R_Target
11-02-2006, 02:26 PM
It could more than meet your needs depending on what settings you play at.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-02-2006, 02:30 PM
In all honesty, for that price, there are better cards. For this game, NVIDIA performs better (although some would say ATI's visual quality is slightly better) in OpenGL.

I suggest starting with http://www.firingsquad.com and look back over a few reviews that compared similar cards running PF and other popular games.

For instance, check out this recent review of an x1650XT (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1650_xt_preview/page7.asp).

This card goes for about $149.00 (168.00 CAD) or less and shows you what you can really expect from the $150.00 price range and slightly higher/lower.

If my budget was capped at $150.00USD, I'd be on that 7600GT like ugly on Fork-N-Spoon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
11-02-2006, 03:03 PM
Good site Slickstick thanks.

This is an edited table from the same site.
here

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_7600_gs_comparison/page8.asp

Pacific Fighters 1280x1024

Card Min FPS Max FPS

GeForce 7600 GT 23 61
XFX GeForce 7600 GS 20 60
EVGA GeForce 7600 GS 19 60
Radeon X1600 Pro 9 88
GeForce 6600 GT 15 60

The X1600 Pro and the 7600GS are both $158 CAD from my supplier, and are remarkable similar in performance with PF in their tests. (One frame on top and eight on the low end at least at this resolution.

It seems to me that they are pretty close, with a slight edge to the Nvidia card. Some of the less tangible things that they mention about the Nvidia card concern me though. They talk of it being "factory overclocked" and that "a fan isn?t required for operation"
While I like quiet, I also value reliability and longevity, so these two comments in concert worry me.

Also they tested it agaisnt the ATI offering with Catalyst 6.6 drivers. (Certainly the best that ATI had when the test was done, but now that Ati is on 6.10 so I wonder.)

Still if I find that I don't like the ATi, I will certainly give the 7600gs a try.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-02-2006, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
It seems to me that they are pretty close, with a slight edge to the Nvidia card. Some of the less tangible things that they mention about the Nvidia card concern me though. They talk of it being "factory overclocked" and that "a fan isn?t required for operation". While I like quiet, I also value reliability and longevity, so these two comments in concert worry me.

Not to worry. Factory overclocked means they are using better RAM and hand-selected GPU cores and the card will run faster than stock with the same reliability.

The fact that a fan is not required to keep it cool only relates to the fact that the GPU is a 90nm core and the passive heat sink is designed to keep it more than cool enough.

How much can you get a 7600GT for?

Seeing that x1600PRO get bogged down to a mere 9FPS at one point during that test, tells me bandwidth is the limiting factor for that card.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
11-02-2006, 03:30 PM
How much can you get a 7600GT for?

Didn't ask. I figure it will be too much to justify for only a couple years.

I was quoted on three card.

The ati, that I mentioned.

7600gs for the exact same coin (But I think it is not the Nvidia card, but rather a rebadged nvidia, possibly ASUS.

And lastly a 6800 (this one is rebadged by ASUS) and they want $210 CAD for it.

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SlickStick
11-02-2006, 05:21 PM
I hear ya on the AGP issue and looking closer I see that there is quite a price difference between the AGP and PCIe flavors of the 7600GT...almost $50.00.

I'd lean towards that 7600GS then. That low FPS number of the x1600 is quite paltry. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good luck!

Waldo.Pepper
11-02-2006, 05:49 PM
I'd lean towards that 7900GS then

I too am tilting, and I think I may have seen the light. I shall try them both, and take back the one I don't want!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Airmail109
11-02-2006, 06:15 PM
get a 7900GT AGP or a new X1900 AGP both of which are being sold at overclockers.co.uk<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-02-2006, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'd lean towards that 7900GS then

I too am tilting, and I think I may have seen the light. I shall try them both, and take back the one I don't want! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Typo, meant 7600GS.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
11-02-2006, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How much can you get a 7600GT for?

Didn't ask. I figure it will be too much to justify for only a couple years.

I was quoted on three card.

The ati, that I mentioned.

7600gs for the exact same coin (But I think it is not the Nvidia card, but rather a rebadged nvidia, possibly ASUS.

And lastly a 6800 (this one is rebadged by ASUS) and they want $210 CAD for it.

Remember the limiting factor = agp. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I replaced my Radeon 9700Pro with a XFX GeForce 6600GT (AGP 128mb) with good results and slightly faster overall performance. The 7600GS I'm sure would fare very nicely I think.

nVidia doesn't sell their own cards. They make reference boards and then everyone else sells them. BFG, XFX, Asus, any of those I'd be good with personally.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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PF_Coastie
11-02-2006, 09:06 PM
Some good advise here, but also a lot of misinformation.

First of all, what CPU and how much ram do you have Waldo?

This is a very cpu dependent game and a new Video card may not get you much at all in the way of FPS. It may only get you a little more eye candy.

ATI does NOT make an AGP card better than the X850XT PE. The X1600pro is a 128 bit card and will not compete with the X850. If I am not mistaken, you can still find some out there for around the same price as the X1600.

The advise on the Nvidia cards is good as far as I can tell. But going from ATI to Nvidia, make sure you do some research on cleaning out all bits of ATI on your system. Or, Just look around for an X850AGP card and go with that.

But first, Please tell us the rest of your system.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
11-02-2006, 10:06 PM
3.0GHz P4 with 2 gig ram.
Drive C is a Maxtor 160gig.
Drive D is a Raid-0 array, also 160gig.
Couple of burners.
Couple more external USB drives totalling another 300gig storage.

Enough? Remember I am not looking to drop $500 on an agp video card for a machine that I am not keeping more than 2 years. (3 at the most).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-02-2006, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Some good advise here, but also a lot of misinformation.

First of all, what CPU and how much ram do you have Waldo?

This is a very cpu dependent game and a new Video card may not get you much at all in the way of FPS. It may only get you a little more eye candy.

ATI does NOT make an AGP card better than the X850XT PE. The X1600pro is a 128 bit card and will not compete with the X850. If I am not mistaken, you can still find some out there for around the same price as the X1600.

The advise on the Nvidia cards is good as far as I can tell. But going from ATI to Nvidia, make sure you do some research on cleaning out all bits of ATI on your system. Or, Just look around for an X850AGP card and go with that.

But first, Please tell us the rest of your system.

Totally agreed, but an X850 is a horse of a different color and he didn't mention that one being available now, did he? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If it is, then definitely a close call between the 7600 and the x850. NVIDIA still beats ATI at this game in OpenGL though. That part won't change.

Good advice nonetheless, Coastie, and isn't that what a community and these boards is about? Everybody brings something to the table. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
11-02-2006, 10:29 PM
x850 agp

So sorry too much dinero! $286. I like it but like I've been trying to say I can't justify it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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PF_Coastie
11-03-2006, 04:55 AM
Very sorry, I thought the X850 was available for much less than that. But I see only in PCI-e is it cheaper. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

That said, I think your rig will handle the 7600 or the 1600 very nicely.

If you have a choice to get a 256 bit card vs a 128 bit card, try to get the 256 bit.

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Zoom2136
11-03-2006, 08:27 AM
Read this... best video card for the $$$$ - November 2006 :

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/31/the_best_video_cards_for_your_money/<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tusseladden
11-03-2006, 08:42 AM
A short while ago my ATI9800 pro (128mb AGP8x) burned up. After 4 years of heroic service playing high-end games, it started to crash my PC (due to overheat) and then finally, it smoked.

Now, I didn't want to go all the way with a new motherboard, pciE card and all that you know, so I decided to go for an AGP card while I save up for my BoB machine (ouch). So basically I was very pleased with ATI so I decided to buy the X1600 pro! Now I've been running IL-2 and various other games on that card for a couple of months and it works great! You do get the low FPS when trying to dogfight someone who's firing whilst zooming when there's a large city in the background. But other than that it works great! I think it's good for the money, it works great since it's basically "temporary" (gonna switch out the whole Motherboard and all soon) and I guess you could always sell it to somebody with an AGP motherboard!

No complaints at this card at all, lower sound level than the last card, better cooling, no instant overheat and best of all... NO CRASHES.

I hope this will help you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and good luck!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
11-03-2006, 08:53 AM
You do get the low FPS when trying to dogfight someone who's firing whilst zooming when there's a large city in the background.

WOW! Do I ever NOTlike the sound of that!

However, I am picking it up today anbd will try it out over the weekend, and if anyone is interested I shall let you know my experience by Monday.

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SlickStick
11-03-2006, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Zoom2136:
Read this... best video card for the $$$$ - November 2006 :

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/31/the_best_video_cards_for_your_money/

Although, I used take what Tom's HW said with a grain of salt, more favoring sites like Anandtech, FiringSquad and HardOCP, thanks for that interesting bang-for-the-buck comparison review. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Waldo, certainly let us know how things turn out for you. However, I still think your performance needs and interim AGP requirement would be better served by the 7600GS than that x1600 PRO though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-03-2006, 10:18 AM
As for me, I'm going straight to PCIe, so the 7900GS-GT versus ATI X1950 PRO is where I'm starting my research. I really have heartache paying more than $200.00USD for a video card, especially since this game is the only PC game I play, but that price range has some excellent bang-for-the-buck options. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lucius_Esox
11-03-2006, 10:57 AM
Just brought an X850XT from Ebay for 85 new. It is an excellent card for this game. With a slightly o/clocked 3700 San Diego cpu I average 55fps in Black death in perfect with 2xaa and 4xaf in 1024x768 with water =1.

Am very happy with that as the lowest it dips is 24fps in the whole test and that is quite an extreme situation.