View Full Version : Worth upgrading Ti 4200 for PF ($250 budget)

10-17-2004, 07:29 PM
I am probably gonna buy a whole new system for PF. I have a Geforce 4 Ti4200 128 mb 8x. I really don't want to spend much more than 200$ for a new vid card for the new machine.

Question is, is it worth it to get a new card in the 200-250$ range? Will I get much of an improvement? Or am I better off using the Ti4200 until 6800 prices come down a year from now. Right now, processor and RAM are my bottle necks.

I don't want a Radeon and will stick with Nvidia so I'd probably be looking at a 5900 or something similar.

Dell Dimension
P3 933
512 sdram pc133
geforce 4 ti4200 128 mb
audigy gamer
win me

10-17-2004, 08:20 PM
I'd keep the 4200 and get a new CPU, mobo an a gig of RAM. The 4200 is enough for PF if you don't want to have Perfect setting. Get a 6800 when it's less.

10-17-2004, 08:32 PM
Thanks for the response. Just outta curiosity, what would I need, vid card wise, to run perfect with decent # of planes and FPS (assuming I get the 1 G ram and 3.0+ processor)?

I just saw on another post the 6800 (Not gt or ultra) is 275$.

10-17-2004, 09:13 PM
The 9800 Pro is a good value at less than $200, and it can be flashed to a 9800XT without too much trouble. You would have no problems running PF with perfect settings with those specs.

10-18-2004, 04:55 PM
Yeah, but I don't want a radeon.

Which Nvidia card would get me perfect mode with decent # planes/action (assuming processor is 3.0+, ram 1.0 G+)?

10-18-2004, 06:39 PM
Wait for the 6600 AGP if you really want to stick with nVidia. But check the power demands of the card, and the power your PSU provides.

10-18-2004, 06:42 PM
9800PRO, 256MB you can get for 249.99 i believe

10-18-2004, 06:42 PM
If you are looking for a new Nvidia graphics card and willing to spend money to the tune of 250-300$ dollars then get a base model 6800. If that's over your limit, then your best bet is to just sit and wait until the 6600 series cards come out in AGP style, whenever that may be... the 6600GT is supposed to outperform the 5900 series cards, and pricewise will land somewhere in the 200$ area.

I would not invest in a new 5900 series card, because their prices are going to drop like rocks as soon as the 6600 series AGP cards become widely available.

I was having thoughts about purchasing a BFG 6800 OC but availability & high cost turned me off from that idea. 6600 GT seemed like a winner, but I got sick of waiting and ended up acquiring a second hand Radeon 9700 Pro AIW for the video & tv features on it, and pocketing all the extra money :-)

10-18-2004, 06:58 PM
Any idea when the 6600 Gt will be out? A base 6800 sounds pretty good also. What's the down side of the base 6800?

Which Nvidia cards have that pixel shader thingamabob that gives the cool water? Is that only the 6800 GT?

10-18-2004, 08:28 PM
The 6600 series, base & GT are already out as PCI-Express versions. Now the real question is when the AGP versions come out, and according to the original game plan, they were supposed to follow a month after the release of the PCX versions. They'll try to push these out for the christmas market, so best case scenario early december, IMHO.

The down side of a base 6800 is that you'll have to depart with money to get it :-) Also make sure you have a decent power supply, (actual) 300W or higher. The power consumption on these new cards is just nuts, the original reference design even called for TWO power connectors (I believe only the ASUS V9999/256 is the only base model 6800 with dual plugs).

The pixel shader 3.0 effects are available on all 6000-series cards (6200, 6600, 6800).

If you're shopping for Pacific Fighters and want the nice waves, I'd probably be leaning towards the 6800 series for the extra pipes (8 vs 12) and 256bit memory interface. If you're going to get one on mail order, GET IT NOW before the end-of-the-year "low inventory & f'd up shipping" insanity begins.

10-18-2004, 08:40 PM
Willey has the best advice ive seen so far. This sim is very CPU intensive and if you upgrade your video card all you will do is choke it up at the CPU bottleneck. Do yourself a favor and look to upgrade the CPU,MOBO & RAM. Try here (http://www.pricewatch.com/). Go to CPU Motherboard Combos.

For $99 to $130 you can get a Athalon XP2500-3200 with a MOBO. If you got the 333FSB chip and MOBO then you could find 512M of DDR2700 RAM and keep your current card and do muchh better than upgrading to a new video card on your current rig.

10-18-2004, 09:01 PM
The XP2500 and a nice nforce mobo would cost you alot less then a vidcard for now, and permit you to wait till the prices come down on the vidcards (after x-mas?). And your new vidcard will perform up to par once you combine it to a faster CPU.