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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:05 AM
i have a friend at work who has never seen the game, he just has to listen to me going on about what a great time i had last night..and how i crashed more than i shot down. he does not have a pc (just a px2). i would like to show him a movie...which one........

"The path to wisdom is a long one...only after being able to take off, fly a circuit, take out 4 passing bombers, without sustaining damage and land again...will I have taken the first step."

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:05 AM
i have a friend at work who has never seen the game, he just has to listen to me going on about what a great time i had last night..and how i crashed more than i shot down. he does not have a pc (just a px2). i would like to show him a movie...which one........

"The path to wisdom is a long one...only after being able to take off, fly a circuit, take out 4 passing bombers, without sustaining damage and land again...will I have taken the first step."

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:09 AM
Invite him over for Budwieser and some Flyin'

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:18 AM
The one in this thread

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yyaqq

Its called Sacrifice. Don't forget that you need the codec that's listed in the original message to play it.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:23 AM
I haven't seen many movies but after watching Scragbat's Sacrifice movie I watched a few of the more recent ones, and well they all lack an element of power and excitement that Sacrifice conveys very well.

See the following thread;

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yyaqq

However, it does not have a lot of planes, is probably not historically accurate and the story is a little disjointed at times. Apart from that it rocks something chronic. It also makes use of some cool non game effects eg blur motion.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:29 AM
ok sacrifice is one of the MOST recent ones .......
.Lost_Lamb wrote:
- I haven't seen many movies

also it doesnt have any story at all .... its just planes shooting & firing

- However, it does not have a lot of planes, is
- probably not historically accurate and the story is
- a little disjointed at times.


plz if your going to post about which movie to recommend at least be a person who has watched most of them

Lost_Lamb wrote:
- and well they all lack an element
- of power and excitement


go search for REQUIEM or movies done by DAVINCI

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:35 AM
Scragbat's movie is the one.
Awesome camera movements.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:31 AM
Scragbot`s Sacrifice is indeed great. I showed it to a friend and he actually thought it was real footage! Not just from the beginning- I had to point out it was IL2! (He`s not the biggest sim fan... and doesn`t know that much about WWII planes.)

Anyway, problem with Sacrifice is that the IL2/FB ingame graphics aren`t actually as good as the short film, are they? It really could give new peeps the wrong impression.

It would be better to play them Salvation first which shows (EVERYTHING as it is in game with a story too) and still looks damn good.

Then show Sacrifice afterwards as a desert! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:36 AM
Getting flamed and it's not even my thread? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I'll say again (yawn), it wasn't my intention to have a deep involved story, just a fun fast action short film.

People seem to like it...

'Requiem' is great, look out for Davinci's and BPonds work too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- ok sacrifice is one of the MOST recent ones .......
- .Lost_Lamb wrote:
-- I haven't seen many movies
-
- also it doesnt have any story at all .... its just
- planes shooting & firing
-
-- However, it does not have a lot of planes, is
-- probably not historically accurate and the story is
-- a little disjointed at times.
-
-
- plz if your going to post about which movie to
- recommend at least be a person who has watched most
- of them
-
- Lost_Lamb wrote:
-- and well they all lack an element
-- of power and excitement
-
-
- go search for REQUIEM or movies done by DAVINCI
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:19 AM
yep i thought Scragbats's was a pretty damn good flick.
I have a short attention span when it come to stuff like that. so if it had sucked i would have stoped it whithin the 1 min. & 1/2. But i actually made it throught the whole thing. One thing i would love to know tho Scrag....
how did you do the ageing on that. There was something ...
well.....Differant. A fuzziness....i cant desribe it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:37 AM
All the post FX were done in After Effects.
A combination of filters and camera shake.


Copperhead310th wrote:
- yep i thought Scragbats's was a pretty damn good
- flick.
- I have a short attention span when it come to stuff
- like that. so if it had sucked i would have stoped
- it whithin the 1 min. & 1/2. But i actually made it
- throught the whole thing. One thing i would love to
- know tho Scrag....
- how did you do the ageing on that. There was
- something ...
- well.....Differant. A fuzziness....i cant desribe
- it.


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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:42 AM
What u use to record scenes? Fraps?

I reckon u using Premier for editing.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:48 AM
Fraps19D for capture (free version).
Editing is done in Ulead Media Studio Pro 7 with Post FX in AE.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:08 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- ok sacrifice is one of the MOST recent ones .......
- .Lost_Lamb wrote:
-- I haven't seen many movies
-
- also it doesnt have any story at all .... its just
- planes shooting & firing
-
-- However, it does not have a lot of planes, is
-- probably not historically accurate and the story is
-- a little disjointed at times.
-
-
- plz if your going to post about which movie to
- recommend at least be a person who has watched most
- of them
-
- Lost_Lamb wrote:
-- and well they all lack an element
-- of power and excitement
-
-
- go search for REQUIEM or movies done by DAVINCI
-
-
.

Not appreciated, at all (except for the refernces to other movies)

The intention of my post was to state that Scragbat's movie contained a sense of power and excitement that seemed to be missing, or not as developed, from the limited number of other movies I had seen, all of which were also recommended. This, plus other qualifications , were clearly stated in my post. Do I need to use capitals or something.

Secondly, I only need to have seen one movie to make a recommendation (defintion: to make attractive) if this movie did something for me. I do not have to have read most books to give someone a recommendation on a new book to read. If there are better ones, so be it. Please tell us and why.

Scragbat, your initial post that introduced me to your movie did make mention of a story, albeit a small one. It was not just a hegemony of different shots of wildly different aircraft. My comment concerning the sometimes disjointed story was not intended as a flame at all. I could have been more constructive but this thread is not the forum for this, and in the original post this issue was raised (ie storyboards) not to put you down but to give you an idea of how the next one could be even better.

To Badsight, I hope your computer develops a bug whereby all your IL2 weapon loadouts are always set to empty. :[D

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:44 PM
Maybe I'm a little sensitive to certain criticism. I'm an artist I'm allowed to be (tongue firmly in cheek).

I laid out a scenario in my initial post for my flick, not something I would call a 'story'.

I gave a lot but people wanted more...

Must try harder.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:24 PM
Scragbat, maybe there is an anology with some of the criticisms levelled at FB or the Mona Lisas smile or Saving Private Ryan etc. The better they are, the more they capture our imagination. Our expectations are met, if not exceeded, to such a great degree that further exposure to them reveals stuff that would not be noticed, or at least cared about, in something that is intitially discarded because it is not up to standard eg CFS2, a child's drawing or the Thin Red Line. Due to the high expectations garnered and the reliance we might place on these high standard works, any flaw is likely to be magnified out of all proportion to its significance.

In the case of your movie, the first time I watched it my hands started sweating and my heart started pounding. I probably wouldn't have noticed if the German planes had Allied markings, or vice versa.

I should also point out that I am not flaming anybody who has put some effort and time into something as, by comparison, I have put no (or little) time into any of these things. At least they tried but if it didn't work, it didn't work, and denial of this is like poking your head into the sand. We all learn from our mistakes, wether they be big or small.

Also, "The cat jumped over the mat" is a story about a cat jumping over a mat. Story means narration of a chain of events.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:25 PM
Forget all this bickering with 'new users' we know who you really are bud. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Just go to UCLANUPE'S, France Simulations and Wiley's sites. These are the three leading movie sites and between them they have all of the best movies mnade for the community.

A little feller named Hauptman99 and his dad have a list of just about every movie made for FB at UCLANUPE'S site here are the links.

Sunstar Entertainment/UCLANUPE'S SITE
http://www.sunstarentertainment.maddsites.com/il2homepage.html

France Simulations
http://france-simulation.com/

Wiley's WWII Films Site
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Frameset/index2.htm

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:37 PM
Scragbat,

Please do not worry about the negative posts. No matter what you do, if there is an avenue for opinion, you will undoubtedly receive negative ones. I, however, think your video is, without a doubt, AWESOME! You can't please them all but I think you will be able to claim MOST with this one. Excellent work!! Please inform us when you have more. Showed the video to a couple of guys at work and they were WAY impressed!!

Serpent out

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 05:57 PM
I don't think anyone has mentioned the 2 movies done by DOF CHN - Aces of China. Both of them are large files (140 and 220 meg) but are very good. The larger one suffers from a bit from choppiness, probably due to the high graphics setting, but is nonetheless very good. The smaller one is the one I liked better. Very well choreographed dogfights and the radio chatter (in english) adds a dimension of realism that really draws you in.

Here's the links:

http://www.ubisoft.com.cn/Information/Lomac/IL2FB_NEW.wmv 140M

http://www.ubisoft.com.cn/Information/Lomac/doffbv2.wmv 240M


Scragbat's movies are notable for their stunning cinematics and special FX even if they aren't exactly what you see during gameplay. Definitely raises the excitement level a couple of notches. I don't think you could go wrong with any of at least 15 or so different FB videos.

How bad can it be when you've got too many to choose from?



Message Edited on 10/09/0309:58AM by Phalcon51

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:31 PM
Ya that first film of DOF kicked ***, I think I counted 70 Stukas in one shot!!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:13 PM
my fav movie is that first china one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:31 PM
In my opinion:

"Requiem" has, perhaps, the most "moving"/EmotionalStory.

"Sacrifice" is, perhaps, the most "realistic" Looking...Top Quality hollywood realism...hard to tell at times that it is based on a flight sim, rather than actual WWII footage. This movie has extensive "after-fact" manipulation to achieve the realism.

The Chinese movies (HUGE files), perhaps, give the best Sampling of the various types of combat action/weather/seasons/terrrain/etc which will be found in IL2/FB. It shows exactly what one Sees in the sim's graphics, unaltered by after-the fact manipulation.

The first two can be found on my site (already mentioned in an earlier post)....See sigblock for link to the Site, then follow the navigation menu link to the "Movies" branch of the site.



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:42 PM
Mysticpuma's Against all odds was the best..........ever.......and I am no relation....honest...I....well.....I.....oh alright then Scragbat, Sacrifice is very nice, now if you want to borrow my steadycam to get rid of all that movement your more than welcome. lol.

To be honest, Scrag and me seem to have a bit of rivalry going, even though we do work together, but my next vid is well on the way to completion, final editing will be next week, and post production over the following two weeks.

Here is a teaser for you if your interested, but be advised this is very much work in progress (but it has a story!!)

http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/secretweapons.avi

Got to say though, Sacrifice is going to be 'technically' hard to beat. n1 Scrag.....bugger!



Message Edited on 10/09/0310:46PM by Mysticpuma2003

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:43 PM
you are totally right... the last one (240mb) has to be one of the best FB movies out there, and it was made by the same squad that produced Requiem so that's something to say.



Phalcon51 wrote:
- I don't think anyone has mentioned the 2 movies done
- by DOF CHN - Aces of China. Both of them are large
- files (140 and 220 meg) but are very good. The
- larger one suffers from a bit from choppiness,
- probably due to the high graphics setting, but is
- nonetheless very good. The smaller one is the one I
- liked better. Very well choreographed dogfights and
- the radio chatter (in english) adds a dimension of
- realism that really draws you in.
-
- Here's the links:
-
- <a
- href="http://www.ubisoft.com.cn/Information/Lomac/
- IL2FB_NEW.wmv"
- target=_blank>http://www.ubisoft.com.cn/Informatio
- n/Lomac/IL2FB_NEW.wmv</a> 140M
-
-
- <a
- href="http://www.ubisoft.com.cn/Information/Lomac/
- doffbv2.wmv"
- target=_blank>http://www.ubisoft.com.cn/Informatio
- n/Lomac/doffbv2.wmv</a> 240M
-
-
-
- Scragbat's movies are notable for their stunning
- cinematics and special FX even if they aren't
- exactly what you see during gameplay. Definitely
- raises the excitement level a couple of notches. I
- don't think you could go wrong with any of at least
- 15 or so different FB videos.
-
- How bad can it be when you've got too many to choose
- from?
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 10/09/03 09:58AM by Phalcon51



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:40 AM
I'm still attached to REQUIEM. To me is the best. Make him watch it and he's hooked. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/REQUIEM_705k.wmv



Message Edited on 10/09/0306:44PM by Jaws2002

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:55 AM
Mysticpuma2003 wrote:
...my next vid is well on the way to completion, final
- editing will be next week, and post production over
- the following two weeks.
-
- Here is a teaser for you if your interested, but be
- advised this is very much work in progress (but it
- has a story!!)

Can't wait! This looks great! Nearly photorealistic in many scenes. Good work. good teaser!

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:06 AM
I just looked into the After Effects program used and it is $600.00! And that is just the standard version the Pro is $1,000!

I had no idea that you guys invested that much money into our little hobby. WOW, that's commitment. S!



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:50 AM
I don't have the link to it but I'm sure someone around here does, but show him Pdog's Rodeo movie. That's a good one to show someone that isn't especially interested in sims. It's like watching a music video lol.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:54 AM
I love PDog's movies especially the water movies, very nice stuff indeed. That Rodeo vid is a gem. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 10/09/0305:54PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:10 AM
S! Mates

Another good one was from "Gutted" Title "SuperBeast"

Link to the video: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/SuperBeast.wmv

Another was "GunCam" from RaspBall
Link: http://home.online.no/~geibli/il2fbguncam.wmv

Pdog1 Movie "Rodeo"
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/Rodeo.wmv

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:09 AM
Scragbat wrote:
- Getting flamed and it's not even my thread?

excuse me dude but do see anywhere in any post at all where i said your movie was " bad "

i have it on my H/D & i wont be getting rid of it
for your first try it was Excellent work

in my reply up there were statements about your movie which IMO were correct

if oyur getting all uptight about seeing comments you dont like ... well what can i say ? you made it available for public viewing ?
you seriously dont expect me to kiss *** do you ?

i never have said i didnt like it & i have never have said it was crap

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:20 AM
WUAD_Badsight

You are entitle to your opinion about Scragbat Movie, or any other movie out there..that is cool..but using such language. Here is your Quote:

"you seriously dont expect me to kiss *** do you?"/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

There is no reason for that. You are right, there will be some positive and negative comments about someone's movie when it is available for the public to view.

Badsight...have you ever made a movie?? Have you..do you know what it takes to make one??

The Time, Effort, Software needed to get the affects you want..into making a video?

I didn't think so...He is sharing his vision, his artistry, to all of us. He is not making any money, profit from it! Again he is sharing. So what if it has a story or not!!

I have no problem with your critcism of anyone's movie..but I'm tired of seeing people like you using bad language, or just being "non-professional" about your comments!!

I know that the Moduators here in this Ubi forum are getting tired of seeing people like you...acting like babies...


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:55 AM
well excuse me LMAO

do you see at all how much some ppl suck up with their messages at this forum ?

scragbat can tell the difference between an insult & critism im sure

do you expect to only ever see comments that say how awesome you are ?? get real

i have never put his movie down , & i thanked him in the sacrifice thread for him making it available

but i aint no suck up or liar

the sun dont shine outta my behind , nor does it out of anyone elses

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 05:09 AM
S! WUAF_Badsight

Thanks for showing everyone your intelligence!

There you go with your insults again...my my

The previous post was about your language....

How old are you anyway??

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:58 AM
me thinks you are a very overly sensitive guy

your way precious about what ppl say about the FB movies released here

loads of other ppl Actually get insulting ..... do you jump into the replys putting all of them down as well ??


get a grip on what i said dude

i dont kiss ***

saying that that aint no big a deal .........


Falcon_777_AVG wrote:
- Thanks for showing everyone your intelligence!
-
- There you go with your insults again...my my


what do you consider an insult ? i didnt say anything about anybody

your being precious man , harden up a little

BTW im 26 y/o

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:11 AM
Sheesh WUAF_Badsight! Take a chill pill /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I was just miffed that people go on about my flick not having a story, that's all.
I'm well aware about your positive comments about it and your negative ones.
Just thought you were flaming over it not having a story after I've said it wasn't my intention to give it one, but just to lay out a basic scenario that would allow a bit of action.
It provoked a reaction from me because you comment on something I have addressed.
You could have said - 'his flick aint got a story, but that was his intention'.
Or perhaps I should have kept my gob shut (probably should have done in hindsight due to your reaction).

Don't get so uptight dude.

Count to ten.

Deep breaths.

I'll rename it 'Sacrifice - The battle with no story'

Then you can keep quiet about the lack of plot and go on about my over excessive camera shake, continuity errors and my ending being to abrupt (rushed it).

I really don't want you to kiss my ***. Really, honestly.
It would put me right off my dinner if you did /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 10/10/0311:17AM by Scragbat

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:41 AM
Scragbot, ignore it, and continue with your great work. I, too, am an artist (but not in your field) and know how sensitive one can get about their work.

There will always be someone who`ll say different just to be the `stick in the mud` even if there`s no constructive criticism with. Sometimes it serves a good purpose, other times not.

If you let them get to you you`ll never work again- doing exactly what they want! A self-fulfilling prophecy! They say you`re bad, you think you`re bad- you stop. Their job`s done.

Sacrifice is Great! I wish I could do it as I have already said several times!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:51 AM
S! WUAF_Badsight

Dude...really all I was saying is...take a moment or two when you are writing your reply.

Learn to be nice...that doesn't make you a kiss ***. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Make a movie..I'm sure it will be great. If you need help..we are here to help./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You have a great day

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:49 PM
Be careful what you say Badsight. I got roasted by Davinci and UCLANUPE when I first came here. It seems that the movie makers are not pleased with crtiques from non movie makers. After they explained the amount of work and now money(with all the special effects) that goes into these movies, I understand why they don't like to hear about things from people that have not made movies. In a word it is very HARD to make movies and very time consuming.

Now, I just leave any negative comments/crtiques out of my posts about movies. Have not gotten roasted since. LOL! They are a sensitive lot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:54 PM
a big thank you to everybody who has posted a link to a movie. i have made a note of the links and will now plan a visit to my brothers (who has broadband) and a cd-rw.
and download a couple so that i can show them at work.
it was great to see so much interest in my post. i have never had such a good responce before!

"The path to wisdom is a long one...only after being able to take off, fly a circuit, take out 4 passing bombers, without sustaining damage and land again...will I have taken the first step."

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:03 PM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- Be careful what you say Badsight. I got roasted by
- Davinci and UCLANUPE when I first came here. It
- seems that the movie makers are not pleased with
- crtiques from non movie makers. After they explained
- the amount of work and now money(with all the
- special effects) that goes into these movies, I
- understand why they don't like to hear about things
- from people that have not made movies. In a word it
- is very HARD to make movies and very time consuming.
-
- Now, I just leave any negative comments/crtiques out
- of my posts about movies. Have not gotten roasted
- since. LOL! They are a sensitive lot.

Ah, ah! What BP says... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I also think Badsight was attacked with no reason: he was honest and apprecciative, and I agree with his comments.
BlackPhenix is right though: better be cautious with these comments. I for one would react pretty bad reading people even slightly criticizing my hard work, no matter how much apprecciation I get with it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

By the way, among the many good ones and some so-so, the following are the ones I can recall:

Award of Excellence:

Salvation (Hollywood!)
Requiem (still on top of the rank)

These come close:

Sacrifice (stunning, innovative but perfectable)
Sachensberg Schwarm (2) ("professional" with a good atmosphere)
How Bitter a Victory (short and technically perfect IMHO)
12 Seconds (an interesting experiment)

Not ot be forgotten the worthy IL-2 award winners:

Fear
Snow & Fire
Smolensk 1941

There are honestly several other good ones worth the download, but they're too many to list and recall.

Among them the recent Another Day, and the Silver Triggers' and PAV's aerobatics videos, or some from Pdog to name a prolific one... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Anybody spending his time and efforts, and exposing himself providing his work to the community is worth a big "thank you" from me as from others.

Aero out