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blackpulpit1970
01-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Hello all 109 drivers, how many of you all fly this plane online with 151 instead of 108 cannon. I have found it to be a great plane with the machine guns instead of the 108s. What are your thoughts on this and some of the tips needed to fight well with this plane. Thanks all I dont like flying with the 108 because they really are too easy of a kill and i like the feeling when you down the enemy with the machine guns instead, this is my personal opinion and no offence to those that fly with 108s.So please share your thoughts about this plane for online and anything else you may want to add. To those that dont fly it or think negativly about the 109s please dont respond i would like to hear about those that like it and their thoughts, there is enough complaining on these forums about this plane or that so please not here,i know good luck right! thanks all

blackpulpit1970
01-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Hello all 109 drivers, how many of you all fly this plane online with 151 instead of 108 cannon. I have found it to be a great plane with the machine guns instead of the 108s. What are your thoughts on this and some of the tips needed to fight well with this plane. Thanks all I dont like flying with the 108 because they really are too easy of a kill and i like the feeling when you down the enemy with the machine guns instead, this is my personal opinion and no offence to those that fly with 108s.So please share your thoughts about this plane for online and anything else you may want to add. To those that dont fly it or think negativly about the 109s please dont respond i would like to hear about those that like it and their thoughts, there is enough complaining on these forums about this plane or that so please not here,i know good luck right! thanks all

Jetbuff
01-29-2006, 08:29 PM
MG151/20 is not a machine gun, (MG is short for Mauser something-or-other) it is a 20mm cannon and more than enough imo too. Don't like the late 109's much though, so I prefer to strap on an F-4 so long as the server is not later than 1943.

XyZspineZyX
01-29-2006, 08:34 PM
Isn`t the standard armament of the 109G6AS 2 13mm machine gun & 1 20mm Cannon, which is the 151?

I fly the G6AS offline because I am campaign mad & I like the MK108 armed G6AS, for what it lacks in amount of ammo it makes up twicefold in killing power & I find this critical in campaigns. What you have is a high performance 109 with a sledgehammer punch.

VW-IceFire
01-29-2006, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dasriech:
Isn`t the standard armament of the 109G6AS 2 13mm machine gun & 1 20mm Cannon, which is the 151?

I fly the G6AS offline because I am campaign mad & I like the MK108 armed G6AS, for what it lacks in amount of ammo it makes up twicefold in killing power & I find this critical in campaigns. What you have is a high performance 109 with a sledgehammer punch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes the Bf109G-6A/S is fitted with two cowl mounted syncronized MG131 13mm machine guns and a single MG151/20 20mm cannon. The original poster said the words "just machine guns" which isn't entirely correct as the MG151/20 is considered a cannon...so is its smaller calibre bretheren the MG151/15 (which is currently found on the Bf109F-2 and one of the IAR-81's).

Xiolablu3
01-29-2006, 10:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jetbuff:
MG151/20 is not a machine gun, (MG is short for Mauser something-or-other) it is a 20mm cannon and more than enough imo too. Don't like the late 109's much though, so I prefer to strap on an F-4 so long as the server is not later than 1943. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree Jetbuff, the 109E/F4/G2 are wonderful planes and an example of the 109 at its best.

I think the 109G2 has taken the place of the 109F4, in this sim.

The 109F4 should be the sweetest handling 109, but I think it is the 109G2. Doesnt the 109G2 even have a smaller turning circle?

IL2-chuter
01-29-2006, 10:54 PM
The MG151/15 is not a cannon, hence the MachinenGewehr designation. It had about 150 meters per second advantage over the 20mm version with which it was readily convertible to. I guess when originally developed it was thought the 15mm would be preferable in a fighter because of the velocity advantage.

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Hristo_
01-29-2006, 11:10 PM
MG = Maschinen Gewehr (literally any automatic weapon in general, thus applicable to automatic cannon)
MK = Maschinen Kanone (autoamtic cannon)

jimDG
01-30-2006, 12:05 AM
I always pick a MG151 armed 109 (F-4, G-2/6) or dont fly them at all. I just cant hit anything with the 108 - at any angle. Its a bit easier with the fw190A8, having a higher overall rate of fire from the 2 108s - that I have no problems with.

JtD
01-30-2006, 12:07 AM
I prefer the MG 151 over the MK 108, not for combat efficiency, but for fun. Also it's powerful enough to cripple single engined fighter with just a few hits. The longer range and firing duration add to it's usefulness.

As with about any 109, I climb. If I am not higher than my opponents, I leave the fight, if I am, may god have mercy on their souls.

It's quite fun to attack B-25's with just that one cannon, you'll need proper tactics instead of ******* firepower.

Hristo_
01-30-2006, 12:18 AM
Hehe, now that you've mentioned it. Yesterday on Spitsvs109s I made pass after pass on a B-25 from his high 1 o'clock and 11 o'clock.

I was in Bf 109F-2 (MG 151 15mm machine gun). After 10 minutes I caused two fuel leaks and finally an oil leak. After the fight I checked gunstats and it registered 35 hits. My plane was pinged 2-3 times, no damage. B-25 landed safely, but aborted the mission.

In that particular situation I only wished for Mk108. MG151/20 is sometimes enough, but MG151 definitely isn't. IMO, 4 MG151/20s is still the best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

ImpStarDuece
01-30-2006, 12:20 AM
I find the MG151 more than enough to down any single seater in the game. Its superior ballistics, accuracy and ease of aiming more than make up for its lower HE content compared to the Mk 108.

The Mk 108 is for bomber-killing. Big, slow and targets suit the big, slow rounds it fires. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When I pick a 109 to fly late war scenarios, the G6/AS would is usually it, purely because it is one of the few later 109s that you can use with the 20mm, which is much more of a fighter weapon.

butch2k
01-30-2006, 12:22 AM
Technically speaking even the MG131 is a cannon since its projectile use driving bands, yet the german seem to have considered as cannons only weapons with a caliber above 30mm.

jimDG
01-30-2006, 12:45 AM
the mk108 could have been a fairly good gun if one hit anywhere would knock off a fighter. As things are it takes as much as 4 hits to do it. Combine this with only 6 sec of firing time and its really a one kill-go home to rearm weapon.
Its undermodelled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Same for the 37mm, but off course one could argue that the HE ammount is one and the same. Still, a/c surviving single 30mm mineshells or 37mm HE seems proposterous to me.

IL2-chuter
01-30-2006, 01:15 AM
A cannon is generally defined (in the present context) as having an explosive projectile. The MG151/20 was considered a canon by the Germans but it retained the MG designation of the base weapon as it was convertible . . . I guess . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

La7_brook
01-30-2006, 01:34 AM
rgr that g6as /20mm here . i found its last 109 the will pull up in tight loops great dog fighter, and dont get planes flying between my shots like 108mk /but ya got say 108,s a killer

butch2k
01-30-2006, 01:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
A cannon is generally defined (in the present context) as having an explosive projectile. The MG151/20 was considered a canon by the Germans but it retained the MG designation of the base weapon as it was convertible . . . I guess . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The MG-131 fires HE, the MG-151 as well and think of the MG-FF. In germany it was rather a matter of caliber rather than technical details which determined if a gun was considered as a cannon.