View Full Version : Spitfire IX HF info request =)

12-24-2005, 02:37 PM
When and where did this variant see most of its action, and in what roles (apart from just flying high http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif )

Someone suggested to me they would provide high altitude cover for the first and last leg of the bombers' flight to berlin, with the LFs being lower down, closer to the bomber's altitude.


12-24-2005, 03:06 PM
yep, used up high like the other high alt marks, mostly for top cover of various operations http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

same/similer engine used in the PR types up high

12-24-2005, 03:15 PM
you're killing me here P1ngu http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

What fighters were they facing?

12-24-2005, 03:19 PM
Duh, enemy ones? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

12-24-2005, 03:49 PM
the useal really, but mostly high alt ud get normal 109s, and 109s with gm1. only 109 with gm1 is e7/z.

190s didnt wanna fight spitfires up high
IX type anyways

12-24-2005, 04:50 PM
The HF squadrons were primarily brought on track in mid-1944, almost as an afterthought to the Mk. IX family really. There were only a grand total of 400 built, all after 1944.

Nos 345, 312, 154 and 611 Squadrons are the only squadrons I have records for as operating the Mk. in Europe. Mostly they either replaced or operated alongside the 140 or so Mk. VIIs produced, which were better suited to high alt combat as they had lightly pressurised cockpits.

Towards the middle of 1943 there seems to have been a decision on both sides to the effect that 33,000 feet was a bloody stupid place to fight an air war, and from then on most combats appear to have occured between about 15-28 thousand feet.

The HF IX probably didn't see a huge amount of combat, but would of flown quite a large number of fruitless top cover missions. By mid-late 1944 there were 6 XIV squadrons operating, with 10 coming online by the beginning of the new year. These, and the last of the HF VIIs would of provided better top cover than the HF IXs, being significantly better performers above 35,000 feet.

I tend to think that the HF IXs would of flown 30,000 foot top cover for the various daylight Ramrods, Rodeos and Circuses that the RAF mounted in 1944, covering B-25s, A-20s, B-26s, Wellingtons, and the occasional (one-two a month) daylight sorties by the heavies. Normal Mk IX and LF Mk IXs would of flown close cover and 'swing' cover postitions. Bombing altitude was usually around 12-18,000 feet. Much lower than we typically associate with the bombing camapigns in Europe. As most LuftWaffe fighters were engaged with Reich Defense duties at the time and many intecepts were made in the 22-25,000 foot band, its unlikely that the HF IX woulds of seen lots of combat.

Typical oppontents would of been AS and ASM 109Gs, mostly G6 but G10 and G14 as well. There are very few reports of HF IXs tangling with 190Ds.