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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:37 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to whine, just asking a few questions.

I was wondering if I could hit aircraft with rockets or bombs. So I turned on invulnerability, and chose an Il-2 with bombs and rockets. The enemy was a 'Giant', you know, that massive transport aircraft.

After some misses, I finally hit it with my rockets. I saw a huge explosion, but but nothing happened? Bombs did work, I flew a few meters above the giant, dropped a bomb. The thing sploded in lots of pieces. But isn't it a bit strange my rockets did nothing?

Some other questions:

I've been busy playing the campaign, but somehow it's a bit difficult. When playing the german campaign, my buddies in Bf-109's have a huge lack of deflection shooting, they couldn't even hit an I-16 which turning slowly. After a few minutes two of my mates were shot down, and all I-16's still alive. When I play the Russian campaign, it's exactly the same. My wingman are ubern00bs, the enemy is urberl33t. Shouldn't something be done about this?

How come the pilots of the I-16 can fly at altitudes above 3 km? Shouldn't they choke or something without oxygen masks?

When I was playing the second mission in the hungarian campaign, the CPU generated a mission where we had to patrol the airspace, and shoot down enemy planes. When I started the mission, I found out the landing waypoints already started nearly 2 minutes after takeoff. When I saw the russian planes arriving, the first AI wingman was already landing! Whatever I did, crying for assistance and help, he just landed and turned off his engine! In the meanwhile, my wingman who did come to aid me, where getting slaughtered because they s*ck so much. Maybe the worst occured when I started the Finnish campaign. After take-off some of my wigmen just dived to the ground and exploded. Another problem which should be solved?

Another thing. I noticed a lot of the soviet bombers aren't flyable, the Pe-2 par example. I'd think it would also be fun to fly the He-162, the salamander. Why are so many aricraft not flyable?

One last thing. Am I the only one who thinks the low caliber machine guns (the machine guns on the P-47 par example) do way too little damage? I almost never fly them because the low damage makes them useless. It takes an age to shoot down a Heinkel-111 with the P-47.



Though the game has some problems, as I described above, I think it's one of better games I've played.

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:37 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to whine, just asking a few questions.

I was wondering if I could hit aircraft with rockets or bombs. So I turned on invulnerability, and chose an Il-2 with bombs and rockets. The enemy was a 'Giant', you know, that massive transport aircraft.

After some misses, I finally hit it with my rockets. I saw a huge explosion, but but nothing happened? Bombs did work, I flew a few meters above the giant, dropped a bomb. The thing sploded in lots of pieces. But isn't it a bit strange my rockets did nothing?

Some other questions:

I've been busy playing the campaign, but somehow it's a bit difficult. When playing the german campaign, my buddies in Bf-109's have a huge lack of deflection shooting, they couldn't even hit an I-16 which turning slowly. After a few minutes two of my mates were shot down, and all I-16's still alive. When I play the Russian campaign, it's exactly the same. My wingman are ubern00bs, the enemy is urberl33t. Shouldn't something be done about this?

How come the pilots of the I-16 can fly at altitudes above 3 km? Shouldn't they choke or something without oxygen masks?

When I was playing the second mission in the hungarian campaign, the CPU generated a mission where we had to patrol the airspace, and shoot down enemy planes. When I started the mission, I found out the landing waypoints already started nearly 2 minutes after takeoff. When I saw the russian planes arriving, the first AI wingman was already landing! Whatever I did, crying for assistance and help, he just landed and turned off his engine! In the meanwhile, my wingman who did come to aid me, where getting slaughtered because they s*ck so much. Maybe the worst occured when I started the Finnish campaign. After take-off some of my wigmen just dived to the ground and exploded. Another problem which should be solved?

Another thing. I noticed a lot of the soviet bombers aren't flyable, the Pe-2 par example. I'd think it would also be fun to fly the He-162, the salamander. Why are so many aricraft not flyable?

One last thing. Am I the only one who thinks the low caliber machine guns (the machine guns on the P-47 par example) do way too little damage? I almost never fly them because the low damage makes them useless. It takes an age to shoot down a Heinkel-111 with the P-47.



Though the game has some problems, as I described above, I think it's one of better games I've played.

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:58 PM
Another problem. My wingman start screaming 'what the hell? Stay on the leaders course!' even when I'm flying quite close to them. Shouldn't something be done about that?

fluke39
06-23-2003, 01:04 PM
The_Red_Arrow wrote:
- Another problem. My wingman start screaming 'what
- the hell? Stay on the leaders course!' even when I'm
- flying quite close to them. Shouldn't something be
- done about that?

not sure bout that i thought they always said that if you were off course - what does annoy me is when they say it when your in combat - as if theyd be worried about staying on course in combat!
talking of voice commands - IMHO one of the single most annoying things about the game - the gunner screaming "oh no what are you - blah blah bah "over and over and over again ( i think its better in FB but it bugged the living cr*p out of me in il2)

also i'm sure rockets should destroy aircraft - it may be due to size of plane or type of missile - tery a smaller plane or a different type of missile




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fluke39
06-23-2003, 01:16 PM
also
many aircraft are not flyable because no cockpit has been designed for them yet ( and also full flight model i think)
probably if an aicraft is AI only sooner or later a cockpit will be done and they will become flyable ( unless their is unsufficent cockpit details available) - some AI planes can be flown online in external view only however.


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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:31 PM
I shoot down bombers in my P-47 with rockets all the time..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:59 PM
The_Red_Arrow wrote:
How come the pilots of the I-16 can fly at altitudes
- above 3 km? Shouldn't they choke or something
- without oxygen masks?

They do have oxygen masks! With all a/c, if you go to outside view as you climb through 3000m/10,000 ft, you will see the pilot put on his mask.

The damage model of the Me-323 is way off. I've hit one with 6 rockets with no ill effects. I use rockets quite effectivly against other bombers and even fighters with practice.

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

Zayets
06-23-2003, 02:45 PM
Sorry to disgree , but P-47 has one of the best weapon onboard. Fire all your 8 .50 cal and in 2-3 seconds a Pe-8 will scream downward the earth without one of its wings. Trust me , p-47 is one of the best fire platforms in the game. Oleg saaid the FM would be fixed for some planes and i think p47 will receive new fM as well.
As for the screaaming leaaders , I think there must be n option , i don't haave this problem. Wht is annoying me the most is the reaar gunner in IL , this guy screams like a moron saying Noooooooo1 what are ya doin'? Well , i just had some negaative G's pal!
Dynamic campaign sux , I plaayed once but sometimes is impossible to fly. And the missions generated most of the time are without any fun. A plain pattern. And the end is very well known , playing germans you loose , playing russians , you win. This is in the case you survived to see the end of the war.
For planes , well , wait for the add-on. I believe we will haave some nice surprises...

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 03:04 PM
rocket question: the rocket probably hit its rudder and blew it off, not damaging much else since its at the back of the plane. A hit anywhere else would bring it down or damage it badly.

AI: Artificial idiots

if they survive for some missions they will et better after time

How come the pilots of the I-16 can fly at altitudes
- above 3 km? Shouldn't they choke or something
- without oxygen masks?
-
dont know

After take-off some of my wigmen just
- dived to the ground and exploded. Another problem
- which should be solved?
-
Ive seen that too.. it just happens sometimes



btw, you can turn of the screaming ****** on the radio in the sound otion area






Message Edited on 06/23/03‚ 02:12PM by broder_balle

Message Edited on 06/23/0302:13PM by broder_balle

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 05:03 PM
The I-16 was equipped with an oxygen mask, which was recommended for use when above 5k meters (which they didn't do too often).



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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 06:13 PM
Imagine flying I-16 on a rainy day.. The plane would become a flying bathtub. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 06:19 PM
Alternately, you could change what the other guys are shouting out to funny things.

I've been collecting odd wave files from the Three Stooges, Monty Python and other interesting sources and plan on substituting them out.

Instead of "Roger, rejoining" I'm thinking on having them say something on the order of "yeah, right, I'm ignoring you," and the tail gunner is definately going to get Curly's woo-woo-woo sound file!

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 06:28 PM
AI pilots really can't hit sh#t when you're turning. they just shoot behind ya. On the other side you can do barrel rolls and all the other cool stuff and they'll hit you without a problem.

At least this is what I have experienced.
And that idea someone had with changing the sound files to monty python was great. That'd be cool =)



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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 08:18 PM
Hmm... I'll check out the I-16 and P-47 again. Thanks for all your replies.

Two more questions:

Centering the camera on enemies on the ground. The default keys for those are bound to F7 and Alt+F7 I think. When I have an enemy convoy or enemy tanks in my mission, I use those keys but the camera won't change to their view?

Full mission builder:

Sometimes, when I have an object under my cursor and try to move it, my computer lags incredibly. Have more people seen that?

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 08:29 PM
Latest question:

Why does the game have smoke tracers when your fire your guns? When I see a WW2 movie I never see tracers when aircraft fire their guns. Also, sometimes AA bullets look like blue stripes.

The tracers and the stripe ammo, is that realistic?

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 08:48 PM
some aircraft has smoke tracers, some didnt. The big streaks you see on film are usually because of the film quality I think.

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 09:39 PM
The_Red_Arrow wrote:

- One last thing. Am I the only one who thinks the low
- caliber machine guns (the machine guns on the P-47
- par example) do way too little damage?

Fifty caliber described as "low caliber". LOL! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

This isn't a **** or anything but you need to find out what a .50 cal. HEAVY machine gun can do. Then think about eight of 'em all converging on the same silver dollar sized spot.

Get 'em all on target and you'll rip anything to pieces.

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 10:30 PM
BA_Dart wrote:
- Alternately, you could change what the other guys
- are shouting out to funny things.
-
- I've been collecting odd wave files from the Three
- Stooges, Monty Python and other interesting sources
- and plan on substituting them out...
- and the tail gunner is definately
- going to get Curly's woo-woo-woo sound file! "

great idea Dart!

Why not make Moe the flight leader: "Alright you knuckleheads,,stay on course!" "Who taught you to fly? Your sister??..."OK, guys here's the plan...and if you mess any of it up, -I'm gonna murder you guys!!

It could give us a little chuckle when we are in the midst of a raging air war. Go for it!

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 12:08 AM
RED ARROW::
- Sometimes, when I have an object under my cursor and try
- to move it, my computer lags incredibly. Have more people seen that?

Yeah, I think I saw that, but forgot what I did to fix it. Try changing to the other grafix engine in the hardware menu. DirectX or OpenGL, try something different. Anything. Does it happen all the time?

Funny, I fly in DirectX because OpenGL crashes when simming, but I make missions in OpenGL because DirectX freezes my mouse half the time, and I can't see the map lines.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:50 AM
Thx Luthor, I'll try changing the graphic mode.

Another question:

I heard aircraft perform differently on different altitudes? Could someone explain? I didn't notice any difference on low or high altitudes with whatever plane I was flying.

About the rockets: I fired rockets at an He-111, which destroyed it. As somebody said earlier, it seems this only occurs with the Giant.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:15 AM
The_Red_Arrow wrote:
- Thx Luthor, I'll try changing the graphic mode.
-
- Another question:
-
- I heard aircraft perform differently on different
- altitudes? Could someone explain? I didn't notice
- any difference on low or high altitudes with
- whatever plane I was flying.

The air density decreases with altitude, so consequently there is less air for the engine to "breath". The fuel mixture at low level would be too rich at higher alt. which is why you have to lean it. Turbochargers and Superchargers can overcome this and allow higher engine output at high alt. but with limitations.

The thinner air also means that there is less for the propellor to "grip" and is therefore less efficent. The same applies to the wings and control surfaces in the lower air density, making the a/c more difficult to control and easier to stall the higher it goes and therefore far more unstable and unmanouverable.

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:29 AM
Thx ELEM.

Concerning the P-47, I did a quick mission with He-111's as enemies. Once I did a dive-attack on one, I shot off the tail. I guess I had a bad aim before.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 10:12 PM
the rs-82 was developed to be a air-to-air rocket. Don't let the Me-321/2 make a bad impression on you. Try it on an he-111 or Ju-88, lots of fun there!