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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 03:46 PM

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 03:46 PM
How many people are arcaders, and not simmers, and use the WEP button on 109's to have unlimited WEP? (example: WEP on 109K4 never runs out) For those who say "yes thats me", how does it feel to know you are doing something that makes the plane act in an unrealistic manner? Does it stroke your ego? It's all about the points right? I bet you can't really fly and have to use that as a crutch.

How many are simmers, and not arcaders, and have a little timer on their desk that tells them when a real 109 would run out of WEP and follow the honor system and don't keep using it? How does it feel to be a dork?

I'm just trying to figure out who are the arcaders, and who are the simmers. (for a book I am writing)

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07-06-2003, 03:50 PM
This is a promising thread. Gonna be a blast! http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/ylflower.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 03:52 PM
Can't wait to read the book RBJ.
Have you found a publisher yet?

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 03:56 PM
I didn't realize the WEP didn't run out! I only used it for emergencies, figuring it was limited, so I've been saving it. Well, now that I know, I'd guess I'd have to say I would limit it myself. Unrealistic planes aren't any fun.. if that's what you like, go play Janes USAF. Talk about an unrealistic game. I was disgusted by it. As a crew chief, now on F16's but previously on 117's, I thought it was horribly done. Play that if you like unreal.


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 03:58 PM
Hmmm didnt realise it didnt run out, I usually turn it off so as not to overheat, theres really no need for it unless you want a quick climb or dive out of combat.

I still prefer the G2 anyway, no WEP on that, but the kills are a lot more satisfying.

Yet to see any cheats that have enabled someone to consistently avoid me or someone else shooting them down, in fact after two years at it I cant honestly say Ive seen anything that is definately a cheat.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 04:07 PM
I have met some very interesting people in this forum and they certainly have different and strange points of views!

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 04:45 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:

- I have met some very interesting people in this
- forum and they certainly have different and strange
- points of views!




I agree.


RBJ one of them.

Certainly different and strange points of views!


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 04:47 PM
LIES LIES LIES.......... ALL LIES


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Well lets see I fly A freekin lot & I use wep untill Im blue in the face & so does everyone else Im flying with LIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSS

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:09 PM
I have landing lights mapped to a slider.

The light-dimmer effect really messes with my opponents' heads.

Does that count?

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:29 PM
Oh my, and such words of wisdom from someone who admitted that he does not care about realism, can't fly without exploiting bugs in the trim model and refuses to understand how it works after literally hundreds of posts from people wasting their time trying to explain. This thread wouldn't deserve a bump if not for all the new inexperienced players who may actually start to believe your fairy tales.
Do the world a favour and get your facts straight before posting your childish rants here, it is really getting boring now. MW50 runs out in the K4, however there's no indicator and it may actually damage your engine if it runs out and you're flying at high throttle. However, you may have to enable limited fuel.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:34 PM
another "I want my trim speed back" thread - very boring..............yawn/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:35 PM
Ray sinks lower with each thread.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:40 PM
JG5_JaRa wrote:
- Oh my, and such words of wisdom from someone who
- admitted that he does not care about realism, can't
- fly without exploiting bugs in the trim model and
- refuses to understand how it works after literally
- hundreds of posts from people wasting their time
- trying to explain. This thread wouldn't deserve a
- bump if not for all the new inexperienced players
- who may actually start to believe your fairy tales.
- Do the world a favour and get your facts straight
- before posting your childish rants here, it is
- really getting boring now. MW50 runs out in the K4,
- however there's no indicator and it may actually
- damage your engine if it runs out and you're flying
- at high throttle. However, you may have to enable
- limited fuel.


Boy are you wrong!

Do you even play the sim, or just sit around trolling the forums and watching the history channel? MW50 WEP never runs out in this game, and whether you use it for an hour or use trim it's no different. The only difference beeing that trim actually did help pilots turn better in real life. Get a clue.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:41 PM
he he...birds of a feather flock together....bubba, you are alone on this one.

would be interesting to see someday if all the bashing you received on this forum made you think just for a second.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:43 PM
RBJ seems to appears in waves at that board. There are some days or week without an appear of him, then some days with intense postings of him - surely handling the same topic. Then against RBJ is desappeared again for some days or weeks. Reminds me to repeatly appear of locusts worriments./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:45 PM
so...you hate the history channel, you have no clue about systems, you have no idea about how to use the controls of a plane, your knowledge is at the most "hearsay" and you pretend to know?....he he...you are not even remotely qualified to talk about how to fly...pathetic.


RayBanJockey wrote:
-
- Boy are you wrong!
-
- Do you even play the sim, or just sit around
- trolling the forums and watching the history
- channel? MW50 WEP never runs out in this game, and
- whether you use it for an hour or use trim it's no
- different. The only difference beeing that trim
- actually did help pilots turn better in real life.
- Get a clue.
-


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:46 PM
Menstral cycles.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:52 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Boy are you wrong!
-
- Do you even play the sim, or just sit around
- trolling the forums and watching the history
- channel? MW50 WEP never runs out in this game, and
- whether you use it for an hour or use trim it's no
- different. The only difference beeing that trim
- actually did help pilots turn better in real life.
- Get a clue.

If the duration of MW50 exceeds your maximum flying time before you have to end the game to replace you worn-out trim slider, then this is not a proof that MW50 is unlimited. Don't believe the "MW50" text message in the game, better look how your engine performs after using MW50 for prolonged times - without overheating the engine, of course.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:05 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:07 PM
Ok, ratbj, just redeem yourself and answer the following questions:


make, model, rated power at max RPM, cylinder capacity of engine
capacity of the mixture of water and Ethilen glycol, what is used for.
rate of compsumption of water/ethylene glycol when used
Fuel capacity on the Bf 109 k4
Endurance at maximum continuous combat power
radius of action at max continuous combat power
maximum ATA for the engine
Minimum ATA for economy cruise speed
Radius of turn at corner speed
corner speed
speed for best rate of climb (Vx)
speed for best angle of climb (Vy)
Glide ratio at best glide speed
Approach speed
how many seconds of fire you have on the Mgs
how many seconds of fire you have on the cannons
at what radiator temperature you MUST" open cowl flaps
what happens if your hydraulic lines get hit.
what you can do if one of your oil coolers get hit to avoid losing all your coolant.

Im pretty sure you will not be able to answer any of the question written above, because you have no clue about what you are talking about.



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Message Edited on 07/06/0311:08AM by Loco-S

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:26 PM
You forgot the third category: People who just play for fun. I find this whole 'I'm a real simmer, your just an arcader' pretty lame. As to your comment, 'Does it stroke your ego? It's all about the points right? I bet you can't really fly and have to use that as a crutch', is that how you stroke your own ego?

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:29 PM
Loco-S wrote:
- Ok, ratbj, just redeem yourself and answer the
- following questions:
-
-
- make, model, rated power at max RPM, cylinder
- capacity of engine
- capacity of the mixture of water and Ethilen glycol,
- what is used for.
- rate of compsumption of water/ethylene glycol when
- used
- Fuel capacity on the Bf 109 k4
- Endurance at maximum continuous combat power
- radius of action at max continuous combat power
- maximum ATA for the engine
- Minimum ATA for economy cruise speed
- Radius of turn at corner speed
- corner speed
- speed for best rate of climb (Vx)
- speed for best angle of climb (Vy)
- Glide ratio at best glide speed
- Approach speed
- how many seconds of fire you have on the Mgs
- how many seconds of fire you have on the cannons
- at what radiator temperature you MUST" open cowl
- flaps
- what happens if your hydraulic lines get hit.
- what you can do if one of your oil coolers get hit
- to avoid losing all your coolant.
-
- Im pretty sure you will not be able to answer any of
- the question written above, because you have no clue
- about what you are talking about.


Why should I answer your 50 questions in the 10th reply to my thread when you haven't even bothered to answer the single question of the main topic? Go troll elsewhere.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:38 PM
Man, you guys, its just a game!

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:43 PM
My IQ dropped 30 points just by opening this thread.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:47 PM
Sry RBJ,
MW50 runs out if you fly with more than 100% throttle after exact 40 minutes. Your engine will stop and you need to restart the engine in the air. Dont forget to switch your Magnets on otherwise the enging dident start http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:57 PM
Cappadocian_317

That's rough. Now your down to 15.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:58 PM
BLUE_Quax wrote:
- Sry RBJ,
- MW50 runs out if you fly with more than 100%
- throttle after exact 40 minutes. Your engine will
- stop and you need to restart the engine in the air.
- Dont forget to switch your Magnets on otherwise the
- enging dident start http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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#1 You are a new user so probably are wrong. Oleg has never made a plane where "WEP runs out". And according to your little theory, can one start the engine back up and continue using WEP?

#2 Even if you are right (which I seriously doubt) it's still an exploit of making the plane behave unrealistically. WEP was only supposed to last 5-10 minutes.

Funny how people have selective prejudices against different things that make the plane perform unrealistic. Sure just crank out WEP like there was no tomorrow and then blame people for using trim to turn harder. Sounds a little Loco-S if you ask me.


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:03 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:

- #1 You are a new user so probably are wrong.

Thats new to this forum NOT the game necessarily!
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:11 PM
So, it's all about the trim on a slider again?

blackTIE.

ps. I haven't used all the planes enough to notice the WEP on that particular plane lasts forever. Heck, I'm still busy with the I-16 offline campaign. So maybe I have no saying in this.

RayBanJockey wrote:
- Sure just crank out WEP like there was
- no tomorrow and then blame people for using trim to
- turn harder. Sounds a little Loco-S if you ask me.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:18 PM
RBJ wrote:


The plane doesn't break. I call it "enhanced turbo mode".

Oscillations are some of the strangest exploits you can imagine in flight sims. for example in CFS1, using the FWonly on hard flight model at low altitudes, you couldoscillate the nose up and down and go like 150mph faster than top speed. It was called "buggy whipping the FW" and I discovered it.

Can read it here:

Your looks for exploits surely restricted on CFS1? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:35 PM
I only use legal exploits. I am such an ace, I can do some strage things by simply moving the joystick. Oscillations are cool. I have not encountered any joystick oscillation advantages in IL2 or FB, but I know of the oscillating prop pitch advantage! (I did not invent it)

I guess I'm a cheat because I can move my stick in a certain way.
I geuss I'm a cheat because I pull my trim lever a half inch farther than other people.
I guess I'm a cheat because I know exactly how fast every plane can go at every altitude.

I am just an ace! Get over it people. The sooner you accept it, the easier your life will be. Aces do exist. I don't play much online anymore because of other games like SWG and the fact that FB flight model isn't quite "up to snuff" but when I do return to Hyperlobby on occasion, with my Ace name, and play a few games, when I emerge I have PM's from people I don't even know! "What's up ace, long time no see" You see, online I am a respected and friendly ace, who gets called a cheat yet takes it in stride, who doesn't care if people "steal my kill" either. When I fly, it's not a sortie. It's a state of nirvana. Now, what good would it be to come here and tell you all the truth? You all are all acephobes! I know you people hate aces. So if I was kind and considerate, then I would come off as thinking too greatly of myself.

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07-06-2003, 07:38 PM
BuzzingU wrote:
- Cappadocian_317
-
- That's rough. Now your down to 15.

You would know, takes one to know one.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:46 PM
because everybody knows Im a Simmer, and because I know you know nothing, is your neck as red as the shirt of the guy on your sig?


RayBanJockey wrote:
-
- Why should I answer your 50 questions in the 10th
- reply to my thread when you haven't even bothered to
- answer the single question of the main topic? Go
- troll elsewhere.


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:52 PM
by your post I assume you still dont know how to fly straight and level...we ( real life pilots) call it "porpoising" as is a sure sign you have not mastered flight.

do you have a clue about how the Super charger/ turbo compressor works on a Plane?....has nothing to do with Blade angle or engine RPM controls.......


RayBanJockey wrote:
- I only use legal exploits. I am such an ace, I can
- do some strage things by simply moving the joystick.
- Oscillations are cool. I have not encountered any
- joystick oscillation advantages in IL2 or FB, but I
- know of the oscillating prop pitch advantage! (I did
- not invent it)
-
-
- I guess I'm a cheat because I can move my stick in a
- certain way.
- I geuss I'm a cheat because I pull my trim lever a
- half inch farther than other people.
- I guess I'm a cheat because I know exactly how fast
- every plane can go at every altitude.


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:11 PM
Loco-S wrote:
- by your post I assume you still dont know how to fly
- straight and level...we ( real life pilots) call it
- "porpoising" as is a sure sign you have not mastered
- flight.
-
- do you have a clue about how the Super charger/
- turbo compressor works on a Plane?....has nothing to
- do with Blade angle or engine RPM controls.......


I think that the key words in your post are 'real' and 'life' Loco-S.

As compared against the rantings from fantasy land of someone who has never piloted a real aircraft and who attempts to force distorted delusions on others whilst misrepresenting them as fact.

Mentioning no names, of course.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:19 PM
This Rayban guy can't be serious.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:36 PM
Well, seeing as our better pig pilots can make 1000 points in a server pretty quickly and noe of them cheat, I'd say that RBJ isn't an ace but a *******.


RBJ, if you want us to take you seriously then be a man and tell us what your online name is. And that "highest point scorer is me" BS is weak.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:41 PM
@ RJB,

well iam a new user on this board but that means nothing.
Iam on HL since the IL2 Beta.
Well, anyway my statement was correct.
Give it a try and you will see that the MW50 runs out after
40 minutes if you fly over 100% throttle the whole time.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:47 PM
The most unrealistic thing I've done with my plane is when I basically "broke" the flight model: I managed to get my plane flying upside down, straight + levl, at only about 2 MPH. Of course, I didn't mean to do that, I was performing some evasive maneuvers in combat.

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07-06-2003, 08:50 PM
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07-06-2003, 08:54 PM
lol

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:11 PM
Technically MW50 isn't WEP. WEP (War Emergency Power) is simply running the engine a certain number of percent above the rated maximum RPM, and is only available for a short time before engine damage occurs.

MW50 is available at all engine rpm and is a water/methanol injection. It does boost HP output on it's own, but also serves to cool the engine by lowering combustion temperatures, thus making throttle settings over 100% available for longer periods. The MW50 tanks on the K4 were fairly large, and the 40 min.figure given elsewhere in this thread seem accurate.

OOPS, I inadvertanly called MW50 Water/Methanol...my bad. Water/ ethylene it is.

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Message Edited on 07/06/0304:13PM by ElAurens

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:18 PM
Mr.Jockey,...Sir

sorry for this question of me -an unappreciate simer.

Mr.Ray, majesty,

can you post any proof for your genius-ace-force?

I belive that You are THE gratest ace on world, but someone i do know (lets name him Bad-guy-kama) dont wanna belive you.
Yes Mr.Kingace I hate him,too!

Lets show him an evidence that this onlineace is Mr.RayBanJ.!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>he thinks its another guy>>shame on him.

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I thank u Mr.godness, Sir....and ..ahm god save the Queen!!



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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:25 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:27 PM
Lets establish a sekt for praying to Mr.RayBan-modest-Jockey.


We will all commit suicide for YOU!!!-But you first, please!!!!!!!!!!



Thanks Mr.Bigger-than-Jesus



kama1

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:31 PM
Ankanor:
"So they got me after all. But pls, it was not my fault, your honor RBJ, those Wurgerwhiners and redwulves made me a bad guy. they convinced me the FW190 was wrong, and that I had to use B&Z and autoaim and no-cockpit mode and 103% to fight the Russian marsians with their Kevlar aircrafts"
Please do not turn me into sumthing unnatural( A yak whiner).Please your Air Supremacy Great Brow, sir, be merciful!

"Great Brow" RBJ:
"You will use Trim on a slider or I will force oleg not to publish the patch and I will uninstall your IL-2 FB."

You have no right of 3+ monitors.
You have no right of Cray Supercomputers.
You have no right of B&Z.
You have no right of whining against Trim on a slider(TOS).
You have the right of Trim on a slider.
You have the right of bat turn.

RBJ "Great Brow" FB Marshal


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 11:12 PM
still testing

I burned my engine out after 77 minutes (up until this point, it was running at top speed) using WEP and 110% throttle and toying around with 105-110% throttle at the end.... engine overheat was off though. So maybe WEP does run out, but only after forever.

Message Edited on 07/06/0306:29PM by RayBanJockey

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 11:20 PM
Do you use Wep Ray?

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:26 AM
This proves my point here, you are flying on unlimited fuel, at full power = WEP the fuel will only last 32 minutes on the 109 k4.

you are a N00b

RayBanJockey wrote:
- still testing
-
- I burned my engine out after 77 minutes (up until
- this point, it was running at top speed) using WEP
- and 110% throttle and toying around with 105-110%
- throttle at the end.... engine overheat was off
- though. So maybe WEP does run out, but only after
- forever.
-
- Message Edited on 07/06/03 06:29PM by
- RayBanJockey



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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:33 AM
Loco-S wrote:
- This proves my point here, you are flying on
- unlimited fuel, at full power = WEP the fuel will
- only last 32 minutes on the 109 k4.
-
- you are a N00b


Time to eat your words mister. I have limited fuel and took 100% tank, and at 110% throttle and WEP I was roaring for over an hour with over a half a tank left (prop pitch auto)

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:39 AM
RBJ using wep is not an unrealistic cheat. duh. now when fw190 pilots intentionally go into uncontrolled stall spins to avoid someone on their six and do it 4 times in a row with a guy on his six THIS is using a game flight feature unrealistically as this will get you killed every time if in real life. THAT is what this thread should be about. not saying that because wep lasts too long its a cheat. any plane that uses spinning like a top as an escape manuever is unrealistic. its a standard tactic for fw190 pilots and i REFUSE to use it when i fly the fw.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:42 AM
can the mods ban him already, jesus


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:44 AM
actually what RBJ fails to realise is that the "trim on slider" he is so upset about loosing is unnecessary in FB as the overall flight model and spins especially are so tame you can yank and bank and do bat turns without slider trim

DayGlow
07-07-2003, 12:54 AM
lol RBJ calls himself a sim flyer, not an arcader. I see you started this and the required once a month trim thread this week. One would think you'd think of something new to troll the forum with. RBJ is losing his steam

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:55 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- when fw190 pilots intentionally go into
- uncontrolled stall spins to avoid someone on their
- six ... its a standard tactic for
- fw190 pilots and i REFUSE to use it when i fly the
- fw.
-

You mean in FB you can flip the FW around like in CFS1?



WTE_Galway wrote:
- actually what RBJ fails to realise is that the "trim
- on slider" he is so upset about loosing is
- unnecessary in FB as the overall flight model and
- spins especially are so tame you can yank and bank
- and do bat turns without slider trim

No, what that means is using lots of trim is especially important. The softer the FM the more you can get away with in terms of turning harder (overcoming compression)



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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:55 AM
Make your numbers kiddo, at a maximum useful load of fuel of 88 imperial gallons, ( 400 litres) you have an autonomy of 50 minutes on economy cruise ( BF 109 K4), make it go to 110% and the engine will gulp at a rate of of 18 imperial gallons per minute (82 litres per minute) how long can you go?.......

On the MW50...capacity 45 Imp gallons ( 114 litres) gulps at a rate of 4 imperial gallons per minute at 110 percent...again get your calculator ...Liar.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:00 AM
Just go try it. 109K4, 110% throttle, WEP, cowl open, 100-200 meters above the ocean, (overheat turned off) You should be cruising at about 532 and be doing so for about 77 minutes before the WEP runs out and thus cooks the engine fast (that newbie was somewhat right) ...and you'll still have 50% gas left.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:07 AM
i bought cfs1 then shelved it for other games so i dont know about fw tactics there. but in fb you can make it gyrate uncontrollably then recover a couple hundred feet off the deck. every time... pilots will do it over and over till people get sick of it and leave their six. or assume they will crash then fly away . once they see enemy fly away they recover instantly. it a joke

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:09 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- i bought cfs1 then shelved it for other games so i
- dont know about fw tactics there. but in fb you can
- make it gyrate uncontrollably then recover a couple
- hundred feet off the deck. every time... pilots will
- do it over and over till people get sick of it and
- leave their six. or assume they will crash then fly
- away . once they see enemy fly away they recover
- instantly. it a joke
-

Well, you could do that in CFS1 with any plane. Make it dance around like a butterfly.



BLUE_Quax ... Who are you really? I think he might be a member of the dev team.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:11 AM
and fuel unlimited, unlimited ammo, and no overheating no flutter, no stall spin, no nothing...arcade..thats for woosies.

RayBanJockey wrote:
- Just go try it. 109K4, 110% throttle, WEP, cowl
- open, 100-200 meters above the ocean, (overheat
- turned off) You should be cruising at about 532 and
- be doing so for about 77 minutes before the WEP runs
- out and thus cooks the engine fast (that newbie was
- somewhat right) ...and you'll still have 50% gas
- left.


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:16 AM
RBJ, are you using a different name online in FB than you were in IL2, or are you still from the land of the "three named people" ie W.E.B

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:23 AM
He never flew online, in his little happy authistic world he is the supreme ruler of the trolls.

vso wrote:
-
- RBJ, are you using a different name online in FB
- than you were in IL2, or are you still from the land
- of the "three named people" ie W.E.B
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:23 AM
Red death, that "flip" (to use RaybanJakoff's word) is actually a high speed stall. Mustangs have the same flight characteristic, and can be induce quite easly by yanking back on the stick at high speeds. It really isn't a cheat, but an actual flight model characteristic of the plane. The reason you see it used repeatedly is because online no one dies. If this was Real Life(tm), a pilot would never resort to multiple high speed stalls. Lw pilots did use the high speed stall sparingly, because of it's instant attitude change and instant speed loss, but most used the split s.


RayBanJakoff, your use of trim is unrealistic, and if you are using 109s, which is sounds like due to your WEP misunderstanding, then you shouldn't have any trim at all. The 109 had tail trim that could only be adjusted while the plane was on the ground. All it was was a couple of metal trim tags that got adjusted by the ground crew. The tail plane of the 109 could be slightly adjusted in flight, but not in the real sense of what trim really is.

Or did you not know that, you all seeing brown eye?

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:28 AM
Hedus in this high speed stall you refer to does the fw go head over teakettle ? tail over head over tail like a ball? this seems unrealistic at the minimum. im not talking of stalling and falling using your plane as an airbrake. many planes can do that in the sim p.s . to whoever said it...RBJ is NOT War Eagle Baron. ive talked to that guy on a nightly basis in IL-2.... trust me hes not W.E.B.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:34 AM
I am just a dot in the sky.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:38 AM
More like a grain of rice in the Chinese culinary history.....


RayBanJockey wrote:
- I am just a dot in the sky.


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:44 AM
Hedus wrote:

- RayBanJakoff, your use of trim is unrealistic, and
- if you are using 109s, which is sounds like due to
- your WEP misunderstanding, then you shouldn't have
- any trim at all. The 109 had tail trim that could
- only be adjusted while the plane was on the ground.
- All it was was a couple of metal trim tags that got
- adjusted by the ground crew. The tail plane of the
- 109 could be slightly adjusted in flight, but not in
- the real sense of what trim really is.



the 109 had elevator trim on a wheel next to the flap wheel, the idea being you adjusted both at once when applying flap

it had no in cockpit rudder or aileron trim

another quirk was when you added flap the ailerons drooped slightly as well (about 13 degrees or so for full flap I think)

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:51 AM
Red deth, it might look like what you have described. It is due to unassymetrecal (SP) lift. It causes the one wing to lift and the other drops. Sometimes, at this point, the nose can look like it has rolled through the bottom to an almost 180 degree turn around. The P-47 does the same thing, and is modelled in FB, even tho I might say it seems more violent than I have seen in other sims. Alot of planes can do it if you yank back on the stick hard, but planes like the P-51 and 190 were notorious for it. Pilots for both sides trained hundreds of hours to feel the indicators of the high speed stall. The Mustang had a huge problem because it's gas tanks were arranged in a way thay changed center of gravity, and when coupled with that stall effect, could be disasteruous.

Sometimes a small vibration was noticeable, sometimes there was no hint it was coming on. Pilots had to really be in touch with the plane.


So, RaybanJakoff, still gonna pipe up about trim? Bet you have trim on a slider, which lets you handle throttle, stick and trim in every plane. But thats not how all planes were. Sometimes you had to let go of the throttle to use the trim wheel. Or did you not know that? You are a simmer, right?

RBJ, why don't we duel once in a while or you can pick someone else and fight them, or are you to busy rapeing Ewoks in SW:G?

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:01 AM
Galway, the trim wheel controlled the entire tail assembly. The elevator trims were preadjusted on the ground. The tail assembly could moved as a whole, but didn't have tabs that were adjustable in flight.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:04 AM
RBJ what are you hoping to accomplish with another of these threads?. the difference between your trim on a slider cheat and the MW50 "cheat" is that you had to find loopholes in the game and exploit them to gain the advantage you so desperately need. the MW50 is there as is. no modification needed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:21 AM
No. I can't turn any harder or move my trim any faster than anyone else. The difference is only the game thinks my stick is forward, so I can fly level with near full back trim. Taking advantage of the fact that trim in IL2/FB is the entire elevator, and not a separate control surface. Now this recalibration, would not be necessary had they left trim alone. There was nothing wrong with IL2 trim. Anyone with a paddle wheel on their stick could use it if they choose, and throttle was a simple click between WEP or 0% power (simplified)

My point is people use the controls of the sim, no matter if they do a little recalibration of their controller, these people, who use trim in turns (and anyone can use trim to turn harder at high speeds...the game is still the same), they are doing nothing different than someone who uses WEP, or any other thing that is used because it increases power/agility.

You people ruined trim now it's time to take it back.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:24 AM
Just did my own little test. On full real, my K4 ran 26 minutes, straight and level, 110% throttle and WEP before the engine stopped. No performance degridation until it just quit, either. I had less than half a tank of fuel left when it did quit.

The 109K4 had enough MW50 to last for about 40 minutes.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:25 AM
Are you guys talking about G-stall induced spins for the Focke-Wulf?

This was a known charachteristic of the FW190 and experienced pilots used it on both the east and west fronts, provided there is sufficient altitude for recovery.

Both Peter Crump and his wingman would use it on bomber intercept missions when jumped by escort fighters, as no pursuing fighter could follow that maneuver.

G-stall induced spins don't seem to work well in FB for the FW190s because of some flight model issues with stall speeds and elevator authority at high speeds. Hopefully this will be corrected in the patch.

What the FW190 does do extremely well in FB is really beautiful snap-rolls. Once you learn how to properly snap-roll a Focke-Wulf it's kind of addictive, and you start looking for excuses to do it.

Vector rolls are a thing of beauty as well, but difficult to carry out successfully. There's nothing like popping a turning Yak-3 in a big Focke-Wulf after you've cut off his turn with a vector roll.


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:34 AM
Panzzzz wrote:
- Just did my own little test. On full real, my K4
- ran 26 minutes, straight and level, 110% throttle
- and WEP before the engine stopped. No performance
- degridation until it just quit, either. I had less
- than half a tank of fuel left when it did quit.
-
- The 109K4 had enough MW50 to last for about 40
- minutes.

What??? You can't be serious. For a start how did you know you had 40 minutes if your engine cut at 26 minutes???? You just cruised and overheated and blew your engine. Go full real (but of course turn all that cockpit junk off) and for good measure turn off engine overheat. Now see how long WEP really lasts. At 110% throttle and WEP and cowl open you can go 77 minutes on a full tank and still have 50% fuel left (probably burn alot faster at 105% throttle) before the engine mysteriously sputters out...but it's nothing instant. It takes little while.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 05:55 AM
Historically, the Me-109k-4 had enough water/ethlyene to run MW50 for 40 minutes. I did not derive that from my test.

And I was under half a tank at 26 minutes (which is about correct, I think). But I'll try it again without engine overheat, as you suggested.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:41 AM
Wonderful posts RBJ...what I want to know is if you are a "catcher" or a "pitcher"? Or maybe just a tease!

Tony

Happy hunting and check six!

Tony Ascaso, RN

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:59 AM
lock this


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 07:18 AM
IBTL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

To respond to the tread, I usually fly the aircrafts as much as in real life, it's a great simulation, so most manouvers aren't to quick, I feel I'll rip of vital parts in case I handle them too violently..... But I still manage to stay alive by getting in quick and out even quicker.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 08:32 AM
RBJ has the same ""track record "" button as all of us doesnt he ??
why cant he provide some proof ??

it would show a lot of things i bet about his aceness

if he has no web space ( not hard to come by ) then im sure someone else would host them for him ...

if hes an ACE he would jump at the chance ....

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:19 AM
Great Idea...Now listen ratbj, here is the link to a website to host up to 20 MB of your tracks, free, no strings attached, give it a try and show the world what you are made of.

but Im sure you are not what you claim to be..so you will pass......but....if you are..and you have the guts to prove it... here is your chance to prove your words are not empty.

Click here:

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WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- RBJ has the same ""track record "" button as all of
- us doesnt he ??
- why cant he provide some proof ??
-
- it would show a lot of things i bet about his
- aceness
-
- if he has no web space ( not hard to come by ) then
- im sure someone else would host them for him ...
-
- if hes an ACE he would jump at the chance ....
-
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:59 AM
I asked some people I know about the MW50 in the past....

They said it runs out after about 1/2 tank of fuel is used

Normaly I fly On 50% Fuel & I very rarley run out of fuel so I must not run out of MW50 either if it lasts aproximataly 1/2 tank of fuel

Since No one host coops anymore I havent had a realy LONG flight requiring more than 50% fuel so I realy cant tell you weather it runs out or not.

But from some things Ive read In real life it was only suposed to be used for 10 min. @ a time.

Since this is not reality thx heavans I just leave it on all the time

If I didnt thoes super UBER yaks could climb with me no problem

Now I have learned a new style of flight wich incorparates PP & engine managment Fuel & all that I wonder how much its gona change after the patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I hope it gets harder /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:59 AM
...............sounds quite out there.........Ol' interchangable moustache/eyebrow man doesn't seem to eager to respond.........

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:57 AM
patch threads locked and not this? wtf


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 01:23 PM
One question about flight control surfaces and trim that I think I may not understand in FB. Regardless of the trim settings, don't the elevators and ailerons have a maximum travel distance? If so, then all the trim in the world wouldn't help turning, because once the surface reached that maximum, you shouldn't be able to turn any faster/better unless you altered your airspeed to the optimum for turning. Am I right about the max travel distance? Anyone know?


Tim Schuster
8MXS Inspection Section
Kunsan AB, Korea

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 02:28 PM
i dont check the time how long i use wep... but normally there should be enough wep for about 10 minutes (at least for the k4)...and due to the fact that normal dogfights dont take 10 mins, i think its not THAT unrealistic in most the cases...

a thing that would be more interesting for me is how do you all out there use the external views? do you use it all the time in a dogfight? or do you never use it even if its enabled on the server?

for me, i only use it sometimes before i start my plane to check out what planes im fighting against (ctrl +F2)... in dogfight, it would take too much time to use it...

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