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CRONAVY
09-08-2005, 11:37 AM
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LUPIS, IVAN (1813-1875.) navy oficer from Rijeka (Croatia), inventor of torpedo first built in Whitehead factori in Rijeka 1866.

Is this corect, is this the right inventor? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kaleun1961
09-08-2005, 06:25 PM
Pearl? You mean, peril.

CRONAVY
09-08-2005, 11:39 PM
Ops I didnt even notice it thanks men. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

CRONAVY
09-08-2005, 11:41 PM
But whic tip of torpedo is the best in game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Goosen83
09-09-2005, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by CRONAVY:
But whic tip of torpedo is the best in game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I thnik the T3 is the best. It has reliable triggers and easy to fire. Of course the T5 zaunk¶nig is great but it might hit another target than intended.

CRONAVY
09-09-2005, 02:47 AM
but is it possible that ship can see when i fire a torpedo on stem-gas the trail on the sea surface. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Bullbyte
09-09-2005, 03:26 AM
Absolutley false. Everyone knows the torpedo was invented by Sir Issac Torpedo.
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Chrystine
09-09-2005, 07:34 AM
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Hi CroNavy,

€œ[B]ut is it possible that ship can see when i fire a torpedo on ste[a]m-gas the trail on the sea surface[?]€

Yes, the €˜bubble-trail€ is quite visible.
I still find the Type I and Type V to be my two favorite torpedo types tho€, over-all.
I rarely miss with the T I, and very, very rare that anyone out-maneuvers one moving at 44 kts. By the time it€s detected, it€s too late to get out of the way.


€œEveryone knows the torpedo was invented by Sir Issac Torpedo.€

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&nd that the first anti-torpedo counter-measure was invented by Admiral Farragut €¦

Best,
~ C.

Goosen83
09-09-2005, 09:06 AM
And naval guns were invented by italian Fourinchi. It is a false belief that 4 inch and 5 inch is a measure of the size of the gun. Fourinchi siply did not get a working prototype untill his 4th attempt. Thus the first being a 4 inch, the next 5 inch etc. That the size gets bigger for every number is just a mixup of coincidences and American thinking.

Caseck73
09-09-2005, 10:19 AM
I think it's pretty much impossible to give one guy credit for self-propelled torpedoes.

Robert Whitehead (The guy I'm assuming the factory in Russia was named after...) had been working with torpedoes during the same time period... He had very important contributions as well. But folks were all experimenting with torpedoes at the same time!

I find references to the Lupis-Whitehead torpedo, which is interesting. I believe since Whitehead owned his own business, (which was developing torpedoes) he is generally credited with the invention. Crediting one man with the invention and fabrication of the modern torpedo is a bit silly. It was no small project.

Robert Whitehead (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWwhitehead.htm)

paulhager
09-09-2005, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Goosen83:
And naval guns were invented by italian Fourinchi. It is a false belief that 4 inch and 5 inch is a measure of the size of the gun. Fourinchi siply did not get a working prototype untill his 4th attempt. Thus the first being a 4 inch, the next 5 inch etc. That the size gets bigger for every number is just a mixup of coincidences and American thinking.

Sometimes the inventor's name was given to the device. Thus Henry Shrapnel (http://riv.co.nz/rnza/hist/shrap/), the inventor of the precursor to fragmentation shells.

Incidentally, I thought that Fourinchi was the man behind Enzyte, but don't quote me...

CRONAVY
09-09-2005, 01:26 PM
Listen people I didnt want to start the war here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ivan Lupis was in Austro-Hungary Navy and he worked with Whitehead and they both build torpedo and on the internet you can always look for data about inventor of torpedo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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Gunnersman
09-09-2005, 07:57 PM
I thought it was John Crapper who invented the torpedo?

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Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 08:17 PM
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I thnik the T3 is the best. It has reliable triggers and easy to fire. Of course the T5 zaunk¶nig is great but it might hit another target than intended.[/QUOTE]

The Zaunkonig [sound king; sorry, don't know how to make an umlaut over the O] was a great torpedo. The Allies later deployed Foxers to counter them. The Foxer decoyed them by transmitting ship-like sounds at great volume to distract the acoustically homing torpedoes to explode harmlessly astern. While protecting the escort, it also hampered asdic\hydrophones because they made such a racket.

Does anybody know if Foxers are modelled in this game? I'm not yet at the point in the war where I can use Zounkonigs, but look forward to getting my hands on them, along with the Luts as well. Not looking forward to the B-24's, but will have to learn to live with them.

Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by paulhager:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goosen83:
And naval guns were invented by italian Fourinchi. It is a false belief that 4 inch and 5 inch is a measure of the size of the gun. Fourinchi siply did not get a working prototype untill his 4th attempt. Thus the first being a 4 inch, the next 5 inch etc. That the size gets bigger for every number is just a mixup of coincidences and American thinking.

Sometimes the inventor's name was given to the device. Thus Henry Shrapnel (http://riv.co.nz/rnza/hist/shrap/), the inventor of the precursor to fragmentation shells.

Incidentally, I thought that Fourinchi was the man behind Enzyte, but don't quote me... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I've read that the inventor of the flush toilet was named Thomas Crapper. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif True.

Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by CRONAVY:
Listen people I didnt want to start the war here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ivan Lupis was in Austro-Hungary Navy and he worked with Whitehead and they both build torpedo and on the internet you can always look for data about inventor of torpedo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1237/mark48torpedotesting2eq.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mark48torpedotesting2eq.jpg)

Isn't it somewhat ironic that a landlocked country would have a navy? The head of Hungary in WW2 I think was named Admiral Horthy? Please correct me if I am incorrect in this.

Chrystine
09-09-2005, 08:33 PM
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Hi Kaleun,

€œDoes anybody know if Foxers are modelled in this game?€

I don€t know €" but have wondered the same thing too€¦
I do know that I€ve ever only completely missed a target with a T V once €" and that was just my fault for firing too quickly at way-way too-long of a range€¦
But I have seen some detonate and while at-first thinking I€d scored a good hit, watched long enough to see that the detonation actually occurred some distance astern of the intended target (DD / DE).
For my own €˜consolation€ if nothing else €" I at-least digested It as having been successfully thwarted by €˜Foxer;€ but in truth, it seemed a little too-near the stern to really significantly indicate foxer modeling. If that makes sense?

I€m just not at-all sure how far behind the ship a Foxer would have been towed€¦
You probably know tho€ €¦
Any idea?

Those instances of detonations astern in my experience, my best guess-estimate would place the alleged €˜Foxer€ at some mere 50-75 meters €" give or take€¦
That just seems €˜insanely€ close to me.

Best,

~ C.

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Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 08:37 PM
I'll have to look that up in one of my many U-boat related books. I have so many! One has some very rare photos, of unusual U-boat situations. There is even one in there of a crewman, resplendant in arctic-wear, rifle in hand, posing over a dead polar bear on the foredeck! Talk about a U-boat going hunting! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chrystine
09-09-2005, 08:40 PM
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Cool!
Thanks €" I€ll sure appreciate the enlightenment€¦

I also revised my €˜guestimate€ in the above Post €" to 50-75 meters €¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I think that more probable for what I€ve encountered.

Best,

~ C.

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Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 08:49 PM
OK, Chrystine. I will do a bit of research and then post it in a new thread.

K61

Chrystine
09-10-2005, 02:15 AM
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Thanks K61 €" I€ve got the Watch €¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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CRONAVY
09-12-2005, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CRONAVY:
Listen people I didnt want to start the war here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ivan Lupis was in Austro-Hungary Navy and he worked with Whitehead and they both build torpedo and on the internet you can always look for data about inventor of torpedo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
I realy cant tell because Im not from Hungary Im from one of the oldes countrys in Europ and we have the sea, guess wich country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1237/mark48torpedotesting2eq.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mark48torpedotesting2eq.jpg)

Isn't it somewhat ironic that a landlocked country would have a navy? The head of Hungary in WW2 I think was named Admiral Horthy? Please correct me if I am incorrect in this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

paulhager
09-12-2005, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CRONAVY:
Listen people I didnt want to start the war here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ivan Lupis was in Austro-Hungary Navy and he worked with Whitehead and they both build torpedo and on the internet you can always look for data about inventor of torpedo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1237/mark48torpedotesting2eq.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mark48torpedotesting2eq.jpg)

Isn't it somewhat ironic that a landlocked country would have a navy? The head of Hungary in WW2 I think was named Admiral Horthy? Please correct me if I am incorrect in this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was a large, multi-ethnic country that was comprised of the modern countries of Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Croatia, parts of Italy, and so on. The Dalmatian coast was part of the empire, which meant that it access to the Mediterreanean through the Adriatic Sea. Someone who was an Admiral in WWI would have found himself without a navy to command at war's end. He'd keep the title - anyone every see THE SOUND OF MUSIC?

Here's a map of Austria-Hungary (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm)

Messervy
09-12-2005, 08:47 AM
As we come to that I don`t understand how with RuB 1.43 there are Chech, Bulgarian and Hungarian ships.
IT IS WW ll we are talking about.