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jugent
11-22-2005, 04:22 AM
I have read about a Dr Stranglowe-scenario that occured during the cold war in 1984 I think.

The soviet similarity to NORAD indicated that some (four) ICBM was heading for the Soviet Union.
Every technical device said that it was a true warning but nothing political did it.
The CO decided that aginst the rules, he shouldnt launch any missiles as response.
The alarm was false, praise the lord, but the article told that the CO was punished for not following his instructions.

If this is true this CO should be awarded the peace-prize.
Is this any thruth in this or is a urban legend?

JG52Uther
11-22-2005, 04:26 AM
Dont know the truth in this,but itwould be correct for the officer to be punished for disobeying orders.Thats why they are orders,and not suggestions.

nakamura_kenji
11-22-2005, 04:29 AM
think remember story norway/sweeden (nordic country forget much sorry) cause everyone panic when start space program without tell anyone?

georgeo76
11-22-2005, 05:49 AM
The US almost launched on two (three?) occasions I'm aware of due to technical problems. ooops.


It's Strangelove by the way.

nakamura_kenji
11-22-2005, 05:54 AM
father worked on polaris and still work on something to do with trident(though change job move back home work jsdf soon). It bit irony japanese person be work on nuclear weapon cnsider japan only country have use against.

Friendly_flyer
11-22-2005, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
think remember story norway/sweeden (nordic country forget much sorry) cause everyone panic when start space program without tell anyone?

Yeah, I'm afraid that's about right. Norway was launching a small rocket for doing aurora borealis research. And yes, they had forgotten to tell the military on bout sides what was going on. I guess the thought that such a small rocket (it was a really puny one) would not be mistaken for anything. It caused quite a scare, but I don't think we where anywhere near a general launch.

SeaFireLIV
11-22-2005, 07:28 AM
It`s a miracle we haven`t been wiped out yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/tankkillsfire.jpg

nakamura_kenji
11-22-2005, 07:34 AM
if remember correct nose cone polaris was made of plywood(think on metal frame). find bit funny that it high tech death weapon yet had use wood for improtant part ^_^

-HH- Beebop
11-22-2005, 07:43 AM
The Cuban Missle Crisis of 1962 brought the world the closest to WWIII than any other incident during the Cold War.
For a few days every kid in my school was scared to death that each day was the last day of our lives and that we would be in class instead of at home with our parents when the alert came.

More info here:

The Cuban Missle Crisis (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/chron.htm)

marc_hawkins
11-22-2005, 07:45 AM
find bit funny that it high tech death weapon yet had use wood for improtant part

mad to build 'em and even madder to use 'em.

julien673
11-22-2005, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
The US almost launched on two (three?) occasions I'm aware of due to technical problems. ooops.


It's Strangelove by the way.

lol i see that movie to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif..but well..isn t funny http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

jds1978
11-22-2005, 08:29 AM
launch on warning is NUTs (Nuclear Utilization Theory), MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) by any rationalization. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

tigertalon
11-22-2005, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s a miracle we haven`t been wiped out yet.


Well, we have to thank nuclear weapons we haven't been. If there haven't been nookes around in 1945, there would be absolutely nothing to stop the Soviets and Stalin from marching all the way to atlantic and to Hawaii - followed by WW2partII or if you want WW3 with, again, conventional weapons. And this war would devastate most of known world.

Lucius_Esox
11-22-2005, 08:35 AM
I wonder what would have become of the world thus far without em..

SeaFireLIV
11-22-2005, 08:44 AM
I question this. I also question the Thatcher adage that we have world peace due to the nuke. Maybe we do, maybe we don`t. But if for some reason a mistake had been made or someone called somone else`s bluff then the `nuke` supporters would`ve been proven wrong.

-HH- Beebop mentions 1962, but I remember 183 at college and being fearful of nuclear annihilation. Some of my college m8s were sanguine about it `If we die, we die` or `just enjoy yourself`...

But we all were half expectin` the worse.

SeaFireLIV
11-22-2005, 08:46 AM
-HH- Beebop mentions 1962, but I remember 183...[/QUOTE]

I meant 1983. **** keyboard... As usual the forum won`t allow me to edit mistakes.

LEBillfish
11-22-2005, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by georgeo76:
It's Strangelove by the way.

are you sure?...........How would you know?

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marc_hawkins
11-22-2005, 09:44 AM
Maybe we do, maybe we don`t.

Well thats it. Maybe without the bomb, the world would have been caught up in a devastating conventional war... then again, with nukes it would only have taken things to have gone slightly diffrent in history and the world would have been turned to ash in a matter of hours anyway. It may yet... Genie is out of the bottle now.

jurinko
11-22-2005, 09:52 AM
I remember the situation in 1983-84 (Czechoslovak citizen at that time). In the grammar school we had training how to evacuate the school building quickly. In 1983 the Korean passenger plane was shot down what made the situation more dense and in autumn ´83 or ´84, NATO had a military maneuvers in Germany (Able Archer or which name). Some paranoid Soviets were afraid that this amenuvers wiol turn into the attack on East Europe - quite funny if you consider the relatively low numbers of Wester armies compared to 50,000 Soviet tanks in total, targeted West. Fortunately, the maneuvers finished and the stress disspaeared. Then Gorbi came.. and the rest is history.

Airmail109
11-22-2005, 09:54 AM
Thatcher apparently threatended to nuke Bueines Airies if the French didnt give her some codes for argentinian missiles. The french PM at the time is adament that had he not given the codes to thatcher for the missiles she would have wiped the place off the map.

RNZAFJay
11-22-2005, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Maybe we do, maybe we don`t.

Well thats it. Maybe without the bomb, the world would have been caught up in a devastating conventional war... then again, with nukes it would only have taken things to have gone slightly diffrent in history and the world would have been turned to ash in a matter of hours anyway. It may yet... Genie is out of the bottle now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate to agree, but I do. It's Pandora's box. The monster is out and now we have to live with it. All this talk of nuclear disarmument....I would love it to happen....really... but it won't. I mean, would you put down a gun if another guy had one pointed at you (even if he promised you he wouldn't pull the tigger)? Soooo many countries have nukes already, even some that aren't supposed to (Isreal, North Korea, etc, etc lets not turn this political, bad people have nukes, from any side, end of story).

neural_dream
11-22-2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
Well, we have to thank nuclear weapons we haven't been. If there haven't been nookes around in 1945, there would be absolutely nothing to stop the Soviets and Stalin from marching all the way to atlantic and to Hawaii - followed by WW2partII or if you want WW3 with, again, conventional weapons. And this war would devastate most of known world.

Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
I wonder what would have become of the world thus far without em..
Are you nuts? Nuclear Weapons a good thing?
Then why not build the doomsday machine, and using the same logic, we should be even better off. If a nation has one of those then no-one will attack because of fear, and peace will prevail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif.
http://herbie.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/strangelove.jpg
lol, in fact that was the concept of the other movie with Peter Sellers, "The mouse that roared". Brilliant. Give a Q-bomb to say Luxemburg and then we'll all be happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/comedy/images/070a.jpg

ploughman
11-22-2005, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Thatcher apparently threatended to nuke Bueines Airies if the French didnt give her some codes for argentinian missiles. The french PM at the time is adament that had he not given the codes to thatcher for the missiles she would have wiped the place off the map.

He was adamant. He's now dead. There is an angle on this that thinks Francios Mitterand exaggerated Thatcher's threat as he'd just received a severe handbagging over Exocet details and was feeling 'little and small.' The French President referred to Mrs. T as having 'the eyes of Joseph Stalin and the Voice of Marlyn Monroe.'

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Some guys like it rough.

ytareh
11-22-2005, 02:54 PM
By all accounts there was far more chance of the western allies marching east than Stalin invading Hawaii at the end of WW2 as one poster suggested!!!Wasnt General Patton particularly keen on the idea...?

SeaFireLIV
11-22-2005, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Thatcher apparently threatended to nuke Bueines Airies if the French didnt give her some codes for argentinian missiles. The french PM at the time is adament that had he not given the codes to thatcher for the missiles she would have wiped the place off the map.

Rubbish. Where did you hear that? There`s no way she would have got away with that!

She nearly started England`s first civil war since Cromwell with the Poll tax - if she`d had nuked a country then England would have flipped out! She had a rough enough time sinking the Belgrano.

If it is true then she was probably making an idiotic threat with no intention of doing the deed.

arcadeace
11-22-2005, 03:57 PM
Enjoy the drama SeaFire.

nice pic

SeaFireLIV
11-22-2005, 04:06 PM
Leaders are often more popular in other people`s countrys than their own...

arcadeace
11-22-2005, 04:12 PM
Indeed. Long live Maggie... and Tony http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

nakamura_kenji
11-22-2005, 05:10 PM
fahter cam up best idea end falkland war ^_^. polaris with fake warheads full with note say.

"get off me land or the next be real" ^_^

marc_hawkins
11-22-2005, 08:28 PM
I hate to agree, but I do

It is annoying when that happens http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


fahter cam up best idea end falkland war ^_^. polaris with fake warheads full with note say.

"get off me land or the next be real" ^_^



thats a great idea! 'warning' nukes! they should do that for real! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Enforcer572005
11-22-2005, 08:34 PM
Umm, Patton had no influence whatsoever when he advocated, mostly for dramatic effect in an argument with Ike, rearming the germans and heading east. There was no chance of the western allies doing such, as htey were in an incredibly stupid hurry to disarm and send everyone home.....which backfired bigtime by 1950. The military would have revolted....they were all tired of war.

The soviets did not disarm at all or demilitarize like the west did...the west thought nukes made conventional war obsolete, but the soviets were not so stupid and shortsighted.

As for nukes being all bad, Ive counted 0 nuclear wars since thier developement, and a very similiar number of world wars. There was no doomsday machine, and the earth wasnt incinerated, mostly because the soviets and the west were rational and not nuts. Cant say that about N.Korea or certain other countries that want all of us to face Mecca 4 times a day.

Im just glad East and west arent at each others throats. US and Rusn forces actually excercise together....Cool.

ImpStarDuece
11-22-2005, 10:19 PM
Actually, the Soviets did disarm after 1945.

The Red army had 13 million men (and women) in 1945. By the end of 1946, they had just 5 million men and women.

WTE_Ibis
11-23-2005, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by -HH- Beebop:
The Cuban Missle Crisis of 1962 brought the world the closest to WWIII than any other incident during the Cold War.
For a few days every kid in my school was scared to death that each day was the last day of our lives and that we would be in class instead of at home with our parents when the alert came.

More info here:

The Cuban Missle Crisis (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/chron.htm)



Yep,scared the whole world including Kennedy.
I watched the drama unfold on tele. with USA showing photos of missile sites in Cuba taken by U2s with U2 being shot down and Kruschev banging his shoe on table at UN.
Scary days indeed, we all held our breaths as US blockaded soviet ships. Thank god Kruschev backed down and I thank him for that.


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neural_dream
11-23-2005, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
As for nukes being all bad, Ive counted 0 nuclear wars since thier developement, and a very similiar number of world wars. There was no doomsday machine, and the earth wasnt incinerated, mostly because the soviets and the west were rational and not nuts. Cant say that about N.Korea or certain other countries that want all of us to face Mecca 4 times a day.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Why is it so obvious that someone is American in this forum?
Are you in this video: http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

On a more serious note, the only time war could start between the Soviets and the Americans was the Cuba crisis, but it wasn't as big a possibility as believed from the American point of view at the time. It was no more possible than a war between Greece and Turkey at the installation of S300 in Crete, a few years ago. How would the Soviets use those missiles and why? Also, they came after the Invasion of the Bay of Pigs and weren't exactly put there to attack the States; What's the point of attacking a giant with darts if you have no other gun near there? The only countries really in trouble were the rest 150 (approximation about that period http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), who were involved in hundreds of small-scale (in Superpower terms) but devastating wars, just because they had to belong to one of the two coalitions. Not to mention the coups, initiated whenever the Americans and the Soviets felt like it and at random countries.

Airmail109
11-23-2005, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
Thatcher apparently threatended to nuke Bueines Airies if the French didnt give her some codes for argentinian missiles. The french PM at the time is adament that had he not given the codes to thatcher for the missiles she would have wiped the place off the map.

Rubbish. Where did you hear that? There`s no way she would have got away with that!

She nearly started England`s first civil war since Cromwell with the Poll tax - if she`d had nuked a country then England would have flipped out! She had a rough enough time sinking the Belgrano.

If it is true then she was probably making an idiotic threat with no intention of doing the deed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have you know that I heard that from the Times and the Gaurdian.

"He was adamant. He's now dead. There is an angle on this that thinks Francios Mitterand exaggerated Thatcher's threat as he'd just received a severe handbagging over Exocet details and was feeling 'little and small.' The French President referred to Mrs. T as having 'the eyes of Joseph Stalin and the Voice of Marlyn Monroe.'"

Interesting.....Mrs. T.....LMAO

Anyway I hear that at first people were partying when the belgrano was sunk, it was only when the details came out people started to question the decision.