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Taylortony
09-09-2007, 07:32 PM
RNZOLI and BaldieJr, As requested in the thread below
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110...921079885#6921079885 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=3791063134&r=6921079885#6921079885)

And a little bit late, here are some pictures of the insides of a Tornado stick I picked up (or believed to be)

Interestingly, as you can see the axis are done by normal wiper brushes, so I am hoping that this can be connected into the circuitry of an X45 by simply rewiring a plug to connect to the one on the base.

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/IL2_Skins/brushes.jpg

This shows the gimbal and how the movement of the central shaft in the cut outs move the corresponding brushes in the above picture, the shaft is mounted on a universal joint.

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/IL2_Skins/gimbal.jpg

Another view of the said gimbal shows that it seats on a base ring that has a large spring under it, this centres the stick when pressure is relieved off it.... also being flat on both working surfaces and being backed up by spring pressure means that the stick simply cannot rock and have free play when not in use.


http://mysite.orange.co.uk/IL2_Skins/spring.jpg

finally everything including the switch wiring that travels down the stick are wired to what would best be described as a distribution ring... the inner thinner switch wires are connected via a circuit board to the heavier plug wires...... rather neat huh, it also has a protective plastic cover over all the centre section and is then covered in its outer metal shell, which can be seen on one of the upper pics...... cool huh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/IL2_Skins/wiring.jpg

complete item

http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/ag/5d/10d9_1.JPG

Sokol__1
09-09-2007, 08:08 PM
Nice stuff.

Interesting to see a "joystick" of real airplane inside. Is of Tornado simulator?

If this pot is not compatible with circuit of X-45, it will be easy to put a sensor HALL SS495A1 in the place, with the magnet fixed in this blue piece.

Sokol1

Taylortony
09-09-2007, 08:18 PM
It is possibly of the real thing, I went by this

The Type and part number.

RAF Aircraft Joy Stick MBB CO415

EX RAF MOD Surplus

Type mrca nhc adv


MBB is the German Company Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm

Under type MRCA was the designation for the Multi Role Combat Aircraft, which became the Tornado, ADV was the Air Defence Variant.......
So thats what I went by..

There was also a tape label on it identifying it as the strike variant

though this is different

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266310158430426544

nsteense
09-10-2007, 01:50 AM
Interesting view from the inside. It is nice to see that military requirements for soldering are of an higher standard than the average prologic joystick... Probably a bit more expensive I guess. Looking at the connector only, those are some expensive ones

T_O_A_D
09-10-2007, 06:29 AM
TT that's really going to be a nice addition if you can get it to work.

I'm hoping you get it to work, and have a sensitive setup, compared to the stock X-45 stick and its centering abilities.

Keep us posted.


So how tough waqs it for you to locate one, and then afford it?

rnzoli
09-10-2007, 06:31 AM
The resistance strip seems to be metallic, this would explain durability, on the other hand, chances are that it has low ohmic resitance. This may be a problem when connecting to other joysticks also.

rnzoli
09-10-2007, 06:36 AM
Looking at the mechanical parts, I wonder how they ensure that the stick rod slides within the cut-outs easily (lubrication? special coating? ) and no play (tight tolerances?)

Lurch1962
09-10-2007, 06:47 PM
Looking at the mechanical parts, I wonder how they ensure that the stick rod slides within the cut-outs easily (lubrication? special coating? ) and no play (tight tolerances?)

I was wondering the very same thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The resistance strip reminds me of the el cheapo (not saying this is!!) variable resistive "strips" in the old slot car speed controls. That is, they were tightly wound as a coil on an insulating core.

Tony; is that how they're made?

--Lurch--

Taylortony
09-11-2007, 03:44 PM
give me a couple of days, i will take some ultra close ups of these parts for you to look at......... at least rnzoli will be able to put his magnifying glass away http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

had it confirmed, it is the Nav come WSO computer controller from the back of the F3 Tornado